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    Default Words/Phrases that you associate with each quadra

    Beta:

    "Fuck off", "Capitalist", "Class consciousness", "yasss", "pigs", "enemies", "traitors", "queen", "weaponize", "deplatform", "why would you do this?", "that's stupid", "they fucked us", "who hired these morons", "loser", miscellaneous slurs, war and predatory animal metaphors

    Gamma:

    "I'm gonna take a quick 5 to think on this", "let's circle back and connect on this", "I'll touch base with you later", "optics", "what's your angle?", "good luck with that", "yeah, sure", "if you say so", "invest in yourself", "work smart"

    Delta:

    "Everyone's different", "you can't judge a book by its cover"

    Alpha:

    "Wacky", "good vibes", "you seem so chill", "hypothetically speaking", "for the sake of argument", "I wanted to create a fun community/experience", "Rap is not music", "here's my collection of funko pops - it's not much, but it's mine", "my wife just bought me a new gaming rig!"
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    Alpha:
    "You should be smiling more.", "Party!", "Have a drink!", "Come, let's toast!", "Want something to eat?", "Fun time!", "Join us!"

    Beta:
    "Yo, bro!", "Lifting!", "Sick gainz!", "Swole!", "Protein shake!", "Nutrition", "Work out", "Abs", "Six-pack", "Flex!", "Gym time!"

    Gamma:
    "Results", "Efficiency", "Productivity", "Goals", "Future", "Achievements", "Self-improvement", "Ambition"

    Delta:
    "Wait, that's not how it should be done.", "It's better if you do it like this.", "Let me help you.", "Stick to the plan!", "Rules are rules.", "Law", "Nothing personal, it's procedure.", "You're 3 minutes late.", "When I was your age...", "Don't talk back at me!", "Pay respect to your elderly!"

    ( These are my personal experiences, yet might not reflect reality, I thus welcome any feedback. )
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    It's not just "Work smart", rather, "Work smarter not harder".
    Arthur Schopenhauer (ILI-Ni):

    • A man can be himself only so long as he is alone; and if he does not love solitude, he will not love freedom; for it is only when he is alone that he is really free.


    Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (ILI-Te):


    • "The history of the world is none other than the progress of the consciousness of freedom."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Averroes View Post
    Gamma:

    "I'm gonna take a quick 5 to think on this", "let's circle back and connect on this", "I'll touch base with you later", "optics", "what's your angle?", "good luck with that", "yeah, sure", "if you say so", "invest in yourself", "work smart"
    I'm offically Gamma now
    Two of my favorite phrases were "if you say so" and "sure"
    Chronic "grass is always greener" syndrome




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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Lovegood View Post
    I'm offically Gamma now
    Two of my favorite phrases were "if you say so" and "sure"
    @Luna Lovegood, that’s e9, not necessarily Gamma.

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    Alpha: “The only thing you should take seriously is not taking things seriously.”
    Beta: “Given your nature, you have the right to know your place and fight for it.”
    Gamma: “I do as I feel, and how I feel is none of your business.”
    Delta: “You can always be a better person.”

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    Bound upon me, rush upon me, I will overcome you by enduring your onset: whatever strikes against that which is firm and unconquerable merely injures itself by its own violence. Wherefore, seek some soft and yielding object to pierce with your darts.

    -Seneca

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    Some of these beta terms sound like nails on chalkboard to me, Fe values clear shared information and using these words means that you might alienate others. Ill never use any of these words, Ill try to use timeless ones. A few years later Ill change all of my vocabulary if its not relevant to my audience

    Eg. Younger alpha NTs and beta STs will only use emojis ironically. This Will be different for older ones, for feeler betas and alphas. It changes over time. Describing the tone would do more justice to this thread
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    I don't relate to any of these supposedly "beta" terms. This quadra bullshit is dumb as fuck.

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    LSI told me "if ur breathing ur fine"
    SLEs i have seen often the kind of mentality that (im paraphrasing)" talent/enviroment is an excuse for weak minded people to not take action" and "anyone can be anyone".
    that's kinda ironic bc others i know are racist, but then theres the whole culture thing where ppl of that race live that way which they choose and teach each other so should be eradicated anyway.
    Your face makes your brain and sociotype how muscle use shapes personality
    I want to care
    if I was better Id help you
    if I was better youd be better
    HELLO??? COME BACK!!!!
    i'm afraid it will hurt like hell, i am afraid of screaming and i am afraid of crying, i am afraid of forgetting but i'm not afraid of dying.



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    These types of descriptions are pretty terrible.


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    These are based on stereotypes, images of how the quadras act. The money hungry gamma, the show-offy beta, and the tolerance-promoting delta, for example.

    Not only is this misleading, it's even worse when people start to use these for typing diagnosis. I know betas (typed professionally as such) who refuse to accept the typing they got from a serious source because of material like this. People in these communities seem to think betas are all warlords who spend their time making obscene jokes and have no interest in anything else. Not that people outside of socionics online communities would see any connection between making obscene jokes and being a warlord anyways. What a load of shit, no offense to anyone who wrote these descriptions.
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    Values ​​of the types of the Second Quadra: Romantic-forceful

    The most quarrelsome types of people are concentrated in the Beta quadra. To keep them together, a strong patriarchal family is needed, consisting of several generations living under one roof, guided by the firm hand of its head. This is the natural organization of family life for the beta people of the lower classes.
    For the upper class, a different option has historically developed. In aristocratic circles, it was customary to give born children to a nurse, and then send them to closed boarding houses or boarding schools. Thus, the necessary psychological distance was maintained.

    Quadra Beta is characterized by maximum collectivism, which is supported by the image of the enemy. This image is formed from an initially clear opposition between us and them. A single religion and ideology serves as a reliable means of "cementing" the beta society. Any dissent is perceived as undermining the foundations, and therefore suppressed in one way or another.
    Gulenko on Beta Quadra

    Bound upon me, rush upon me, I will overcome you by enduring your onset: whatever strikes against that which is firm and unconquerable merely injures itself by its own violence. Wherefore, seek some soft and yielding object to pierce with your darts.

    -Seneca

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    If you're worried about stereotypes I advise you to stay away from a system that divides everyone into 16 types .
    Bound upon me, rush upon me, I will overcome you by enduring your onset: whatever strikes against that which is firm and unconquerable merely injures itself by its own violence. Wherefore, seek some soft and yielding object to pierce with your darts.

    -Seneca

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    I don't see why classifying humans into 16 types would necessary mean stereotypes, if studied and understood properly (which, granted, it often isn't).


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    I think Gulenko's descriptions of the quadras do come across as a bit one-dimensional. They become a bit better when one understands that SHS undertands and studies type more from the standpoint of how people act as a society, than as individuals. Therefore I don't think that such quadra descriptions as Gulenko's are always very reliable in type identification, because that can easily lead to misunderstandings, if one is trying to type an individual based on their personal values or convictions. For example betas who, on an individual level, believe in individualism (possibly because of their outlook on society, or its influence, ironically enough...) might mis-identify as alphas or gammas for that reason.

    I do think that there is logically a feedback loop between one's individual type and how one acts in society because of it, a feedback loop which needs to be better understood by socionists. Right now we're looking at contradictions between individual convictions and how one acts as a group, which is of course a thing in humans but needs to be better clarified in order to avoid mis-identifications.


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    quadras are types with same valued function pairs. specifics exists for those 4/8 functions
    also specifics of views and approaches can be said for concrete types of 16. to describe this for duality pairs or quadras does not seem as trivial

    delta

    these related much to Ne:
    "Everyone's different"
    "you can't judge a book by its cover"

    similarly can be added for 3 other functions alike
    Fi : "I don't like this"
    Te : "More optimal decision"
    Si : "Needs warmer clothes"
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Gamma NT: "This will be a win win for both of us!" Translation: Huge ass win for me, you ... not so much

    Beta: Perverted and animalistic but secretly wants something nice and normal. Vice-signaling. Sometimes just as corrupt and "evil" as they appear.

    Delta: Nice and normal but wishes to actually do something pervy and animalistic. Virtue-signaling. Sometimes just as dry and boring and Winnie the Pooh-ish as they appear.

    Alpha: say anything just to say anything, long convos with a lot of Ne/kind of low "substance." The most 'normal' and kinda basic of speech- not too animalistic like Beta but not holier than thou like Delta.

    The "we should be more tolerant thing" is kinda Delta in a Te way but really I think all 'faggy feelers' ((xxFx types)) do this sort of thing. Especially NFs maybe but there are SF social justice warriors in both Alpha and Gamma too. NTs also preach tolerance, but in a much more dry way... ST type not so much, they just wanna fuck or whatever. Or they will agree with what their ethical duals have to say in the matter maybe but don't like to talk about it or say much about it.

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    Alpha: Brownies
    Beta: Meth
    Gamma: Vodka
    Delta: Tea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armitage View Post
    Alpha:
    "You should be smiling more.", "Party!", "Have a drink!", "Come, let's toast!", "Want something to eat?", "Fun time!", "Join us!"

    Beta:
    "Yo, bro!", "Lifting!", "Sick gainz!", "Swole!", "Protein shake!", "Nutrition", "Work out", "Abs", "Six-pack", "Flex!", "Gym time!"

    Gamma:
    "Results", "Efficiency", "Productivity", "Goals", "Future", "Achievements", "Self-improvement", "Ambition"

    Delta:
    "Wait, that's not how it should be done.", "It's better if you do it like this.", "Let me help you.", "Stick to the plan!", "Rules are rules.", "Law", "Nothing personal, it's procedure.", "You're 3 minutes late.", "When I was your age...", "Don't talk back at me!", "Pay respect to your elderly!"

    ( These are my personal experiences, yet might not reflect reality, I thus welcome any feedback. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    quadras are types with same valued function pairs. specifics exists for those 4/8 functions
    also specifics of views and approaches can be said for concrete types of 16. to describe this for duality pairs or quadras does not seem as trivial

    delta

    these related much to Ne:
    "Everyone's different"
    "you can't judge a book by its cover"

    similarly can be added for 3 other functions alike
    Fi : "I don't like this"
    Te : "More optimal decision"
    Si : "Needs warmer clothes"
    I literally bursted out laughing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VagrantFarce View Post
    Alpha: “The only thing you should take seriously is not taking things seriously.”
    Beta: “Given your nature, you have the right to know your place and fight for it.”
    Gamma: “I do as I feel, and how I feel is none of your business.”
    Delta: “You can always be a better person.”
    I can just hear them saying this, myself included.



    Recognizable. The prime tenet of an ILE pal of mine is literally as described above. He tries to provoke as many people as possible, in order to push their acceptance of what's odd. I believe he reasoned that if he gets people to accept his exaggerated bullshit, then they will also accept his normal bullshit. But it only ever results in either outrage or indifference. Still, he's stalwartly trying to "open people's mind", as he calls it, by provoking them.

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    With all of these, I unironically relate to Delta.
    Arthur Schopenhauer (ILI-Ni):

    • A man can be himself only so long as he is alone; and if he does not love solitude, he will not love freedom; for it is only when he is alone that he is really free.


    Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel (ILI-Te):


    • "The history of the world is none other than the progress of the consciousness of freedom."



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