What is the coolest type potentially ?

[roger557]

Which socionics type do you think is sort of ingrained in people's subconcious that is the best type or the most desirable for someone to hold?

I'll relate an anecdote: some years ago , I exchanged letters with a very lost LSI-Ti dude that wanted to be Griffith from Berserk (For those who don't know who he is, he is the white hair dude in this vid https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iNlyuue89KM ) . This character is often regarded as one of the most charismatic in anime history; he is sort of a messianic fugure, up until he starts behaving too ruthlessly and impulsively. Even I fell under his spell a bit. This character is probably a LIE-Ni. You can see that even on this forum there is somebody who idolizes him (Eudamonia). So I'm wondering if the "type that everyone wants to be" is an objetive thing and shares a commonality (although I've noticed that people often admire or see them as a superior version of themselves their supervisors--wonder if this is true).

Which is the type that first comes to mind when you think of the type that everyone would want to be, or would most likely want to be?

[Adam Strange]

Dostoevsky. Man, perfected in God's eyes.

Or he would be, if I believed in God.

[Aquamarine]

I didn't read this fully before I thought ESI but I'm going with ESI. Mostly because I think they're cool and I admire their ability to just not give a fuck and say whatever they want. And they seem to have this coldness (idk if that's the right word) but also warmth at the same time. At least this is how I interpret them

And yes, I wanted to be an ESI once lol

[roger557]

I didn't read this fully before I thought ESI but I'm going with ESI. Mostly because I think they're cool and I admire their ability to just not give a fuck and say whatever they want. And they seem to have this coldness (idk if that's the right word) but also warmth at the same time. At least this is how I interpret them

And yes, I wanted to be an ESI once lol

What if you really are ESI?

[Aquamarine]

What if you really are ESI?

lol I can't tell how I'd react to that now but for the moment I don't think so

[WVBRY]

ENTJ could be it. It's the type that survives best in our economic system, and EJ temperament is generally valued by society and the working world in particular as a desirable trait. Of course other types, such as LSE, LSI, SLE, EIE, are also probably envied for more or less the same reason.

[roger557]

lol I can't tell how I'd react to that now but for the moment I don't think so

I detect lots of valued Fi coming from you, so that in my eyes means IEI is probably not your type. Just my 2 cents

[roger557]

Dostoevsky. Man, perfected in God's eyes.

Or he would be, if I believed in God.

You're thinking of Christ. What if Christ wasn't a Dostoyevski? What animal is commonly (there are several, but one is main) regarded as a representation of Christ ?

I'm going to post this awesome webpage here just in case I lose it again https://web.archive.org/web/20100815...nd01/beast.htm

[Adam Strange]

You're thinking of Christ. What if Christ wasn't a Dostoyevski? What animal is commonly (there are several, but one is main) regarded as a representation of Christ ?

I'm going to post this awesome webpage here just in case I lose it again https://web.archive.org/web/20100815...nd01/beast.htm

I always thought that Christ was IEI, until I read on this forum that he was probably EIE. "Victim" for sure. Resented his father, quit work to wander in the desert with a bunch of bros and tell other people how to live, while living off the largess of older single women. Could be either IEI or EIE, but also might be a literary construct.

Probably not EII.

[InkBlue]

It depends on current type / personal values, but also what a person perceives society to value. Some types seem to have it easier in today's world, at least from a ''success and safety'' standpoint. (Although what is important in life is purely subjective)

If I had the choice I would go with ILI, but I am thankful for my actual type as I think I have a very undeserved advantage.

[Bethanyclaire]

Hm I think IEE is the coolest. It’s why SEIs prefer them to me :/ They know a bit about everything and they are funny.

I think a lot of people think ESIs are cool. They have a wider variety of knowledge than IEEs..but are not as vibrant. Both types are creative with language.

Some LIEs are cool, some seem dorky to me.

[Averroes]

Se-xSI
SLE
Fe-IEI
Artsy Si-SEIs
Crusty social last Si-SLIs

HM:
EIE-C/H
Ni-LIE

[Disturbed]

Answering @roger557's question: LSI-Se, ESI-Se, and SLE. Generally, those types are intelligent, beautiful, enduring decent, gentle leadership ability, independent, creative, have a perfect mixture of stereotypical masculine and stereotypical feminine traits; Se is unconsciously considered more attractive and sexy than Ni, Ne, and Si, most people wish they had strong Se. LSI-Ti while looking the most masculine of the Se egos, also look the least Se of all the Se egos and are the weakest of all the Se egos (they're actually slow to process elements of reality and they have few original insights and poor social skills), so they're not as cool as the others, not what others want to be, and they have poor ability to fight on the street as say a cop or someone in the military. Movies with "badasses" are commercially successful and it correlates with people subconscious bias towards strong and valued Se.

SEE aren't considered all that cool, although I think the Se subtype is.

I think most people would desire to be Beta or Gamma though due to the endurance of representatives of those two quadras, and their ability to internally calmly handle conflict (except LSI-Ti). I wish I were Gamma subtyped towards Beta or LIE-Te. Gammas are the very most enduring, the most able to put up with, work around conflict, can work their way through anything. I admire Gamma SFs subtyped towards beta, they're generally able to improvise and just answer questions at any time, to randomly pack up and leave and make enough money to live comfortably; I'm quite fond of them really.

[spacious]

Hm I think IEE is the coolest. It’s why SEIs prefer them to me :/ They know a bit about everything and they are funny.

I think a lot of people think ESIs are cool. They have a wider variety of knowledge than IEEs..but are not as vibrant. Both types are creative with language.

Some LIEs are cool, some seem dorky to me.

@Bethany In what way(s) do you mean ESIs that have a wider variety of knowledge than IEEs? I almost see it as like, ESIs invest more deeply into pursuing knowledge in a more limited range of areas, whereas IEEs are much more mentally flexible... but curious to hear your interpretation, thanks - and PS I think the IEIs I know are SUPER cool, dat Ni + Fe! Really grateful for my longtime friendship with an IEI.

[Bethanyclaire]

@wonderwoman awww hmm I guess I just think of coolness as being about having a lot of ideas or opinions and also a depth of knowledge or playful self-expression through words. Saying something that grabs the attention of the room. I think ESI and IEE do this well when they are feeling confident and comfortable. ESI seem to have more detailed general knowledge than IEEs and are very articulate, IEEs might know a lot about a specific topic but mostly they seem to piece together random pieces of info they pick up and it’s a bit more people based than factual.

[EUDAEMONIUM]

SEE-Ti subtype obv

[Hope]

Me.

[DEAD]

Whatever type I am at the moment.

[Teslobo]

Potential bias, but LSI/EIE seem to be the types of every villain in fiction where everyone is like "wow they're so cool I want to be edgy like them"

[Tarnished]

Which socionics type do you think is sort of ingrained in people's subconcious that is the best type or the most desirable for someone to hold?

I'll relate an anecdote: some years ago , I exchanged letters with a very lost LSI-Ti dude that wanted to be Griffith from Berserk (For those who don't know who he is, he is the white hair dude in this vid https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iNlyuue89KM ) . This character is often regarded as one of the most charismatic in anime history; he is sort of a messianic fugure, up until he starts behaving too ruthlessly and impulsively. Even I fell under his spell a bit. This character is probably a LIE-Ni. You can see that even on this forum there is somebody who idolizes him (Eudamonia). So I'm wondering if the "type that everyone wants to be" is an objetive thing and shares a commonality (although I've noticed that people often admire or see them as a superior version of themselves their supervisors--wonder if this is true).

Which is the type that first comes to mind when you think of the type that everyone would want to be, or would most likely want to be?

Hm, I think Griffith is EIE - Ni... LSI want to be EIE? The dual seeking here is so strong that he want to be self dualizing lol!

I think SEE, LSI-Se and SLE are cool. But I don't really want to be any other types, because changing my type mean changing my own personality, which I don't like.

But for example if I'm being force to change to other type and there's no other choice, then I would choice SLI or LIE, these two are the most close to my own type...

Just wish I can have other types's strong point without changing my type....

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Over all it's probably SEE - even though there are no doubt SEEs that suck a lot, SEEs are like in the middle of the socion anyway and with creative Fi they can often relate/manipulate the most amount of people. They are known as the 'Politicians' of the socion for a good reason. IEI is the heart of the socion and in the middle of everything as well (semi-dual lurve), but SEE is like the body and heart mixed. They're also the most idealistic of the Gammas in a way, being the first Gamma- and it is part of Gamma that has yet decayed into immorality and doesn't need Delta to 'save it' so much. 2D valued Te helps bridge the gap between so many people in a very realistic way.

I don't see how SLE is the case- people make fun of SLE a lot as they are logical types and don't really have the ethical manipulations like SEEs do. They aren't really good at pretending to be good people if they aren't... which is like an ethical type superpower imnsho. Although yeah there are SLEs that are just the normie loving dad type- there is still the type of SLE that gets easily thrown in prison by LSE judges a lot lol.

Nobody really looks up to or wants to be an introvert because we're nerdy and awkward but I like it that way. <3 I need my distance from other people too much, fuck being cool.

I don't slay- I'm just gay. And if you don't like me? Go the fuck away.

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[Not A Communist Shill]

It's a Fact that EIE is the best type. Okay, that's my opinion.

The people on this forum will see the extroverted types as the most desirable, because they believe in the Socionics concept of duality and most of them are introverts.

[PinKDiGiT18]

LSI-Se and ILI to me.

[welcometomania]

imo, all of the Gammas!!!

[Poptart]

LSE

[Tallmo]

LSE

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[Poptart]

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nvm I didn’t read the post very carefully.

LSE is the coolest type imo

[Tallmo]

nvm I didn’t read the post very carefully.

LSE is the coolest type imo

LSE? Why? They always seem uncool and slightly boring. Te + Ni polr is in my opinion certainly uncool.

I always thought ILEs are cool. Ne new perspectives combined by Fi polr. They can have freshness and creative new perspectives. Not that I admire them, but objectively speaking.

[Poptart]

LSE? Why? They always seem uncool and slightly boring. Te + Ni polr is in my opinion certainly uncool.

I always thought ILEs are cool. Ne new perspectives combined by Fi polr. They can have freshness and creative new perspectives. Not that I admire them, but objectively speaking.

Stierlitz is sexy and cool ^^

Yes he's Ni polr, but hey nobody's perfect!

[Poptart]

[Averroes]

Sx/So
Sp/Sx

[Averroes]

“Coolness” is contra flow. Relatability/likability is syn-flow

[lavos]

Was gonna say LSE too, but I thought a bit more about it, and no. I would say SEE.

[Lord Pixel]

It's SEE.

[DEAD]

The one that's been left in the freezer the longest.

[RBRS]

Griffith EIE-D > SEE-D > SLE-D

Best sociotype (yet the most hated, specially bc SEE and femme fatale stereotypes get wrongly associated with it) is EIE in Model G (a literal Mary Sue) then ILI.

In more classic socionics views it's gonna be Gamma rationals and EIIs I think.

[Fluffy Princess Unicorn]

I admire their ability to just not give a fuck

Looool, I came here to say "who gives a fuck (what the coolest type is)?"

[Metamorph]

Well, LIE seems consistently described as the most uncool type if that's the type all the CEOs are, so probably SEI.

But also, who cares?

[adage]

It can be an interesting thing on an individual standpoint to think about which type is "coolest" and why as it produces a point in perception of others, and even self, that can be compared to other points of perception in time.
The change, or lack thereof, can indicate growth, stagnation, self-assuredness, going throught a crisis, etc...

Reading this thread, I realized I'd give a different answer now than I would a few months ago or a few years ago, what I deem interesting in a person has changed a few times.
I'm not gonna name types tho.

[ContractedCriminalboy]

Absolutely not SLI, that's for damn sure lol I'll go with Gamma extroverts.