Results 1 to 14 of 14

Thread: Betas & Emotion

  1. #1
    inaLim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2019
    TIM
    SLE
    Posts
    369
    Mentioned
    38 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default Betas & Emotion

    Gammas talk about having intense emotions, and Deltas talk about subtle emotions. And both seem preoccupied with not losing control, not letting the wrong emotions spill out, or not feeling the wrong emotions in the first place.

    Beta emotions can be dramatic, but are they intense and overwhelming like Fi types describe? In those moments do you lose control of who you are? Or is it more cathartic/indulgent? Do emotions turn you into a different person, or are they an excuse to be melodramatic? Do you look at airing emotions (among your people) as bad?

  2. #2
    Lugia Aeon Blade Runner 2049 2017 BunnyRaptor ExpBunnyMacroverse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2021
    Location
    Macroverse MtBattle ScholarsGarden OrreColosseum SuperNexus InfinitiesUltimate AllSpectraEverywhere
    TIM
    WiredforBattleShingo
    Posts
    2,286
    Mentioned
    66 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Emotion rungs on the bookcase for inscription of enchanting binders to republic Plato forces of reckoning.

    In conclusion, looking at your mind template for all of your reactions and shards of nimble prodding makes us fly and shoot from one corner of paradise experience to the next axis of centered reflection on our true nature and what makes us tick.
    https://sabrinacasey.webstarts.com/9systemswishes
    https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...logy-articles)
    https://sabrinacasey.webstarts.com/m...ny2gether4ever
    I was watching a Hey You Pikachu video, and it made Me realize that Bunny should be available to everyone with a good Heart!!*
    A lot of people would really Love Bunny if they could play with Her. The possibilities are magnificent and wonderful, to tour pure Imagination with feathers and friendship. The Bunny ride is infinitely mysterious yet lovely. By voyaging into storybook character expression and vibrant atmospheres of elegant matrimony, then they sky would open up, and brilliant auroras of vision and clarity would arise through the telescope. Bunny flows and flowers with canopies of decoration and dreams.

  3. #3
    twiggewed, dewusional, entitwed, snowfwake VewyScawwyNawcissist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2021
    Location
    uNdeR yOur SkIn
    TIM
    β NF Sx4 461/8
    Posts
    1,135
    Mentioned
    57 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    constant turn over and doubt. just because i feel a certain way doesnt make it right. i dont want to lose control and harm. what about missing the right emotions. its all over the place but im trying to understand it. theres nothing wrong with airing emotions unless u are pushing them/strongly possessed in the wrong percspective. airing them is obvious to me regardless someone trying to suck it in and cover up, thats even worse actually bc it becomes more intense and overwhelming.
    i want to have the right emotion, which can have many right ones in the sense they arent wrong. u can ironize the wrong ones so they are now right. my mental state shifts with them but is it the chicken or the egg.
    i said i didnt get affected when someone's picking on me, now it ocurred to me this also oscillates hard in either direction. i can be amused about unintentionally and illogically pisisng someone off, and i can be very upset that one is having a problem over some bullshit that shouldnt concern them. if it shouldnt concern them but i feel like its a genuine mistake and they are the kind of person who's capable of understanding and listening i would be way less mad or amused. some people are very used to forcing their own biases on others as if their feelings are facts. those are often not EIIs for example, which i guess would be unfairly stereotyped like that.
    Your face makes your brain and sociotype – how muscle use shapes personality





    i'm afraid it will hurt like hell, i am afraid of screaming and i am afraid of crying, i am afraid of forgetting but i'm not afraid of dying.



  4. #4
    ♡˗ˏ*˚velvet cinnamoroll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2021
    Posts
    25
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    I was never preoccupied with "feeling the wrong emotion" but I definitely had troubles in my life expressing my emotions and even gauging whether if I should trust someone or not with those private thoughts. I guess to me, personally, I express my emotions but I never talk about my feelings. Unless you're my mother, but no one else gets that privilege. I don't think everyone should be trusted with that information and plus you get to a certain age in your life where you want to be more independent.

    I think I'm a cordial around family members and even strangers, but I'm never "close" to anyone if that makes sense. I kinda just do my own thing

  5. #5
    Shazaam's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Lamp
    TIM
    AB-IEI-Ni
    Posts
    13,020
    Mentioned
    530 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    Idk, I feel things deeply but I wouldn't say they are all that intense or even dramatic ((ooh I'm gay so I MUST be dramatic huh , or I know how to put a good front/poker face to the world when it's necessary lol. A good/bad thing about me though is I will challenge/talk back to almost anybody even if they are 'official' authority and I'm not really the nicest to those people because they've never been nice to me. If I would have just kept my mouth shut sooner I wouldn't have been at Starr for so long- but you know what, I regret nothing - it was worth it just to piss off an LSE. I clash badly with those LSEs haha. I guess it's like eminem said, if you don't have a problem with me- I don't have a problem with you lol. I've noticed that My Ni often senses the idiosyncrasies of people quite well... even if my emotions aren't very subtle myself, I can easily pick up on the subtle (or not so subtle) tones of others.

    Acting like a fool is sometimes necessary to me even if you are looked down upon. It's about the end goal/what is at stake that is more important than being a 'fool' because that sort of thing is often an illusion anyway. Acting like fools and misbehaving is how gay people got equal rights in the first place to be frank - yeah it's all normal and not an issue to be gay now like it's all Delta normie join the army whee I'm boring and married just like everybody else - but it was all started via some Beta drag queens. <3 It's sometimes even worth your own life idk. Most things in life really just end up boring/depressing/dissapointing me anyway - the shining glories of what is promised always turn out to be nothing more than cruel taunts in the end. So part of me doesn't have any issue sacrficing myself for a greater good... or be a true revolutionary.

    I mean it's hard for me to enjoy the smallfolk things Deltas seem to like anyway- I like things to be wild, extreme and animalistic- I am very Beta in that way I admit. But wild animal doesn't mean 'evil' not really- I don't get some sick satisfaction seeing a real innocent person being hurt or anything like that lol. I think in a way fixing up the sadism of the Beta quadra is the ultimate goal of what IEI is supposed to do in a way- the 'bad animal' side, cleaning/fixing that up- it makes sense to me. But of course the primal animal in a human is necessary, not bad- just misunderstood etc. Deltas are walking away from this side of human nature and judging it as bad/not me - and writing 347923847239487239847243 psychology articles about how you should be etc, whereas Betas are often explorering the Id further- that's why the two quadras often don't get along.

    It's really deeper than emotions in a way- it's how a person is thinking, their thought patterns and behaviors. btw I'm also a 37 year old adult with a job so naturally I don't feel much intense emotions because just my brain is 'boring adult' usually sadly lol. I can't really get wound up like I could when I was younger- that's not all that type related to me.

    People are also layered and complicated like uhh even though I'm an evil demonic Beta- Delta IEE is also the third socionic type I am like the most according to that talaniv (sp) test guy. I think it helps explain the mutual affection I have with @Kim and Slacker Mom and some other Deltas lol. I'm also an alphafied Beta so the gammafied Deltas or deltafied gammas have been the most clashy with me personally.

  6. #6
    serenaeva's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2020
    TIM
    ESI-Se 4w3 sx/sp
    Posts
    161
    Mentioned
    20 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Betas are Fe valuers and on the Fe/Ni axis so their emotions have always seemed notably "thought out"/cerebralized (given the nature of the fxn being extroverted, in this instance Fe - it turns to analyse itself outwardly re: the public emotional realm rather from the inside) than deeply intense. Feeling is a universal characteristic and anyone can have a strong feeling about something, but when it comes to something like this you have to think of how it manifests on average. Most of the time their emotions are more performative than anything. Or at least that's how it looks like to an Fi user contrastingly. It's more about appearing a certain way or presenting something in a way to someone with goal to affect their emotions and the social environment versus personally indulging in your own subjective sentiments about something ad nauseam.
    I AM YOUR HOLY TOTEM
    I AM YOUR SICK TABOO
    RADICAL AND RADIANT
    I'M YOUR NIGHTMARE COMING TRUE

    I AM YOUR WORST ENEMY
    I AM YOUR DEAREST FRIEND
    MALIGNANTLY MALEVOLENT
    I AM OF DIVINE DESCENT


    I AM YOUR UNCONSCIOUSNESS
    I AM UNRESTRAINED EXCESS
    METAMORPHIC RESTLESSNESS
    I'M YOUR UNEXPECTEDNESS

    I AM YOUR APOCALYPSE
    I AM YOUR BELIEF UNWROUGHT
    MONOLITHIC JUGGERNAUT

    STRAY BULLET
    FROM THE HEAVENS ABOVE
    STRAY BULLET
    READY OR NOT
    I'M THE ILLEGITIMATE SON OF GOD


  7. #7
    Sentry Lady Lunacik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Posts
    1,074
    Mentioned
    58 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by inaLim View Post
    Gammas talk about having intense emotions, and Deltas talk about subtle emotions. And both seem preoccupied with not losing control, not letting the wrong emotions spill out, or not feeling the wrong emotions in the first place.
    Is this based upon a resource, or personal observation?
    ESI-Se ✰ ISFP
    Enneagram: 6 Sx/Sx/Sx/So -ish, Tritype 628
    (I think this is a defective system that fails to capture who/how I am for the most part, though. I relate to NONE of the driving motives/defense mechanisms behind any type.)

    "I think that it is sometimes really hard for us to understand what someone else's journey is . . . I think that is part of the intrigue . . . but when we don't understand someone else's culture, or where they have been, we can often misinterpret their actions and what they mean because of that." — Georgia Dow


  8. #8
    inaLim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2019
    TIM
    SLE
    Posts
    369
    Mentioned
    38 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Noir View Post
    Is this based upon a resource, or personal observation?
    The first sentence is based on IRL conversations and interactions. ex. the way gammas talk about revenge/family. The second sentence is how Gammas & Deltas seem to me based on what they say.
    Last edited by inaLim; 12-03-2021 at 02:35 PM.

  9. #9
    The Evening and the Morning Star Eudaimonia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Location
    Aisle 9
    TIM
    RAGU
    Posts
    2,642
    Mentioned
    132 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Extroverted ethics (Fe) is an extroverted, rational, and dynamic information element. It is also called Fe, E, the ethics of emotions, or black ethics.

    Fe is generally associated with the ability to recognize and convey (i.e. make others experience) passions, moods, and emotional states, generate excitement, liveliness, and feelings, get emotionally involved in activities and emotionally involve others, recognize and describe emotional interaction between people and groups, and build a sense of community and emotional unity.

    Types that value Fe like creating a visible atmosphere of camaraderie with other people. They enjoy a loose atmosphere where anything goes, where people don't have to watch too carefully what they say for fear of offending others. This means these types try not to be too thin-skinned, taking jokes with a grain of salt. However, they are very conscious of the fact that the way something is said is very important to how it will be received, so they tend to add emphasis, embellishments, and exaggerations here and there to keep people engaged. The best way to say something is highly dependent on the situation and the implied purpose of the exchange, so of course levity is not appropriate in some situations.

    Even after explosive arguments, these types find it hard to hold grudges, and can tolerate people they in principle don't like, as long as the situation is primarily social and doesn't require too close contact. They prefer misgivings to be out in the open; they believe that the silent treatment is one of the worst things you can do to a person, and only aggravates the underlying problem.

    Fe as a base (1st) function (ESE and EIE)

    The individual is always in tune to the emotional flow surrounding him, and responds to it spontaneously and directly. He seeks out and creates activities where people are totally engaged in what they are doing. Something's value is directly tied to how much it arouses his or another's passion.

    He is highly proactive about steering the emotional flow in the direction he himself considers ideal to a given situation. He may, for example, try to cheer people with jokes if he sees that they are too gloomy or, conversely, to get people to be serious and concentrated if they are too carefree during a crisis situation. Nevertheless, he believes emotions should be expressed as honestly as possible.

    Fe as a creative (2nd) function (SEI and IEI)

    The person is sensitive to the emotional atmosphere around him, either from an individual, or a group, or even from inanimate objects such as the landscape, the state of the physical environment he happens to be in, or his own emotional associations with the place or people around him. A positive emotional atmophere is essential for his sense of well being and inner peace, and he either tries to promote it himself by directly influencing it around him, or by simply moving away from the environment or the people causing a negative emotional environment in his view.

    For the SEI, this takes an on-the-spot aspect and is reflected in cracking jokes, trying to make people laugh, or simply moving away from people he perceives as affecting him negatively. For the IEI, this takes a longer-term perspective; so the focus, rather than being on the immediate emotional environment, is on the perceived longer-term emotional state of others towards the individual, and is reflected in trying to be on good terms with those he interacts with or seeking distance or protection from, or "preventively" attacking, those he sees as irremediably hostile emotionally.
    https://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.php?title=Extroverted_ethics#Fe_as_leading_f unction_in_EIE_(ENFj;_Hamlet)_and_ESE_(ESFj;_Hugo)


    Fe Egos are more concerned with the externalized emotions of their environment. This is prioritized over evaluating the subjective distance between people and things (Fi). Fi egos may see this as more frivolous because they simply don't share our values.

    Fe egos see concentrating too much on Fi as suffocating and exhausting because we prefer to concentrate more on the emotional atmosphere.

    I myself don't particularly relate to ignoring Fi, in the sense that I don't care about people's Fi. I am not Fi PoLR. I will see it as less of a priority though.

    EIE tends to create dramatic narratives that can span throughout history, using Fe to create their intended emotional atmosphere and creative Ni. IEI perceives their world via Ni and uses the emotional atmosphere as a tool to navigate through the world. Both types utilize Fi it's just not a priority, which isn't good enough for Fi egos.

    The problem is I myself see many Fi ignoring and demo Fi users as duplicitous and superficial. So I'm not sure if it has to do with type. For example, I almost always will hear a demo Fi user SEI and IEI say that they feel as if people feel closer to them than they really are. An Fi lead will ensure that those that feel close to them are close to them in my opinion, it's creative Fe that likes to create an atmosphere of closeness that isn't there.

    As for Fi ignoring, this is generally an obnoxious person who cares more about emotional impact over behaving like a real person. You know that person who you talk to who "actively listens" a little too much where you doubt they are really even listening to what you are saying at all? Probably a Fe lead.



  10. #10
    Akira's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    TIM
    ISTp sxsp
    Posts
    3,380
    Mentioned
    410 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by inaLim View Post
    Gammas talk about having intense emotions, and Deltas talk about subtle emotions. And both seem preoccupied with not losing control, not letting the wrong emotions spill out, or not feeling the wrong emotions in the first place.

    Beta emotions can be dramatic, but are they intense and overwhelming like Fi types describe? In those moments do you lose control of who you are? Or is it more cathartic/indulgent? Do emotions turn you into a different person, or are they an excuse to be melodramatic? Do you look at airing emotions (among your people) as bad?
    I think we all feel emotions in different levels, but being melodramatic usually means the person is using emotions to try to manipulate or get their way( manipulation can be with either positive or negative emotions). Ime it's easier for a logical type to lose control and to be overwhelmed by emotions than for ethicals. I think they are more aware, in tune and in control of them and know how to use them. Usually if they seem exagerated it's just because they are playing a role or letting it escalate for a mean (not because they have lost control of it). Though probably there are some drama addicts (and the hormones and substances it release in the brain).

    As a side note, Ime ExE really live through their emotions. Probably the rest of ethicals just use them as tools. I mean, I think ExE are really driven by emotions, however the rest of ethicals just use them as is convenient. This is why I kinda see Fe lead as dangerous (crazy) and impractical. However not that I enjoy most ppl expressing their negative emotions in improper ways(or pushing me to emote).
    Last edited by Akira; 12-19-2021 at 06:20 AM.

  11. #11
    chocolatte's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Location
    eye of the storm
    TIM
    IEI-Ni
    Posts
    573
    Mentioned
    38 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by inaLim View Post
    Gammas talk about having intense emotions, and Deltas talk about subtle emotions. And both seem preoccupied with not losing control, not letting the wrong emotions spill out, or not feeling the wrong emotions in the first place.

    Beta emotions can be dramatic, but are they intense and overwhelming like Fi types describe? In those moments do you lose control of who you are? Or is it more cathartic/indulgent? Do emotions turn you into a different person, or are they an excuse to be melodramatic? Do you look at airing emotions (among your people) as bad?
    I assume you mean if emotions are intense and overwhelming, to the experiencer?
    As a disclaimer to the rest of my answer, I have some element of control when it comes to trying not to feel and/or express the wrong emotions, but it has more to do with that I have a lot of e1 influence in my tritype. However, it's also counterbalanced by my being an e4.

    Intense and overwhelming: Very much so, and it's apparently very obvious to others when my mood changes. I poorly hide it, but I can somewhat do so in public. It takes so much mental effort to mask myself, though, that I can't even when I want to.

    Losing control of who you are: At first I was going to answer in response to "lose control of yourself". What do you mean by "lose control of who you are?" Identity?

    Cathartic/indulgent: As a 4, yes! Though, when it's involving someone else, I always prevent my true catharsis as the 1 still tries to keep control.

    Different person: I'd argue that who I am includes when I am intensely emotional as it happens often enough, haha.

    Excuse to be melodramatic: I've thought about this and concluded that it's merely an outlet for something that subconsciously needed to be addressed anyway. Once it finally bubbles above the surface I feel like it's natural that such an event would seem melodramatic. A lot of the time, I don't quite realize what the true genesis of my emotions are, despite being very introspective. Actually, I usually figure it out through the process of "being melodramatic" about it as the further I push/prod and the other person pushes/prods, I get more internally and externally uninhibited and finally, into the nitty gritty of it. Emotions themselves are important to pay attention to in that they're symptoms of something deeper.

    Airing emotions to be bad: NO! It's important to get them out, but also that both parties understand that the expression of emotions is more of a method than the point itself.
    Something about myself is that I can get quite cold and emotionally (not cognitively) unempathetic when I'm upset at someone. But, when the other party just listens, but more importantly, actually understands why I'm feeling like this (Ti), even if it's rationally unreasonable (but emotions aren't rational!), a curtain opens & I can feel empathy for the other person again, plenty of it, and now the real talk begins.
    I think it's for this reason that I've never sustained truly personally fulfilling long-term relationships with people that weren't Ti/Fe-valuing. It's like, deep down, I'm just trying to get them to understand something amid my emotions, and even if I'm understood, with Fi/Te doesn't feel like I could actually talk about it with them.


    I just realized that I understood your question as primarily asking about negative emotions within the context of relationships. Was that what you meant or did you also mean positive emotions, group emotions, sentiments vs expressed emotions..? Also-- moods vs emotions? I think I internally accidentally muddy their distinction as I'm mildly dysthymic in personality. When a mood passes over me, good or bad, it literally feels/is biological, like a headache. It's there, you can feel it like a filter over your current experience of existence, and it's hard to change. I'm having trouble defining emotions in contrast to this.

    Interesting question. How about you, what is your experience of emotions?

    @inaLim I am trying to PM you in response to your message from a few months back about my Ni/Si thread, but it won't go through due to a setting. Is there any way I can reach you in private?
    Last edited by chocolatte; 12-19-2021 at 06:51 AM.

  12. #12
    Haikus
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Posts
    1,458
    Mentioned
    42 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Eudaimonia View Post
    As for Fi ignoring, this is generally an obnoxious person who cares more about emotional impact over behaving like a real person. You know that person who you talk to who "actively listens" a little too much where you doubt they are really even listening to what you are saying at all? Probably a Fe lead.

    Lots of types do this. I've seen ESE have the most surprised face ever. I also worked with a SEE woman who does this, but will admit with a joke she wasn't actually listening.

  13. #13
    Haikus
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Posts
    1,458
    Mentioned
    42 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    @inaLim

    So, what are the answers?

  14. #14
    inaLim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2019
    TIM
    SLE
    Posts
    369
    Mentioned
    38 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatte View Post
    Interesting question. How about you, what is your experience of emotions?

    @inaLim I am trying to PM you in response to your message from a few months back about my Ni/Si thread, but it won't go through due to a setting. Is there any way I can reach you in private?
    Try now, should go through. May take a while for me to reply, I've been sick & I'm way behind on getting back to ppl.

    gonna have to come back to this thread later

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •