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    Question Have any of you gotten typed by Gulenko? What were your results? How did you feel?

    Hi,

    I just got typed by Gulenko as LSI-C. I agree with about most of what he wrote in my report (sensory > intuition, logics > ethics), but honestly, I guess I don't resonate with the LSI archetype in general, so I feel a little suspended between two ideas.

    I was just wondering about your guys' experiences were?

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    @wesleh00 Creative are the most dissimilar to their type of all, I think. If you're like other LSI-C I've met, you'd be a bit inclined to think you're ILE maybe. Have you read the description for LSI-C? If you need it, just holler.

    Will you upload a video about your typing at some point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    @wesleh00 Creative are the most dissimilar to their type of all, I think. If you're like other LSI-C I've met, you'd be a bit inclined to think you're ILE maybe. Have you read the description for LSI-C? If you need it, just holler.

    Will you upload a video about your typing at some point?
    Yes! Please link me the LSI-C description. Before receiving my type, I was back and fourth between ILE and LII (I won't lie though, the more I grazed over LSI stuff, I had a subtle but seeping feeling of "yeah, I think this might be me."). I hopefully will record and send them my response video later today.

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    Gulenko is known of low quality typings, which is proven by statistical analysis of his results (unjustifiable Beta quadra overrepresentation) and low convergence with other typers. His popularity comes from marketing tricks that resulted in some sort of cult following and his creativity, he came up with interesting ideas but he's very theory>practice.

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    Gulenko realizes that there are 16 types, but because he only types people Beta, he invented DCNH to make up for it. So LSI-C when translated to normal Socionics probably means ESI, LII, SLI, or something like that. Lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Gulenko realizes that there are 16 types, but because he only types people Beta, he invented DCNH to make up for it. So LSI-C when translated to normal Socionics probably means ESI, LII, SLI, or something like that. Lol.

    I love this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Gulenko realizes that there are 16 types, but because he only types people Beta, he invented DCNH to make up for it. So LSI-C when translated to normal Socionics probably means ESI, LII, SLI, or something like that. Lol.
    Except that those of us who have had experience with more taciturn LSI-N and chatty LSI-C can see there are some differences. No way they could be ESI or SLI (now I lol to that). If memory serves, there are videos of Gulenko and his people even taking groups to the forest and giving them challenges to see how they react and organize, to think he's all theory and no practice Is a tad off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    Except that those of us who have had experience with more taciturn LSI-N and chatty LSI-C can see there are some differences. No way they could be ESI or SLI (now I lol to that). If memory serves, there are videos of Gulenko and his people even taking groups to the forest and giving them challenges to see how they react and organize, to think he's all theory and no practice Is a tad off.
    Well, there might be something to DCNH, though I'm a bit skeptical. I was mostly making fun of G's system of Betalogy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Gulenko realizes that there are 16 types, but because he only types people Beta, he invented DCNH to make up for it. So LSI-C when translated to normal Socionics probably means ESI, LII, SLI, or something like that. Lol.
    Im surprised you dont like DCNH. I think it's pretty easy to observe.

    But do you admit that there are huge differences between people of the same type?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Im surprised you dont like DCNH. I think it's pretty easy to observe.

    But do you admit that there are huge differences between people of the same type?
    Yes, I think so. I'm just not sure if DCNH is the explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Well, there might be something to DCNH, though I'm a bit skeptical. I was mostly making fun of G's system of Betalogy.
    I've said this before, but one of our members who used to be in contact with G.'s people did say that she got it from them that, in their estimation, the quadras are not distributed evenly. It does not contradict daily life (that much). Have you thought what a pandemonium a junior high classroom would be with 3 real ILE students pouring their every thought and complex loudly onto the rest of the students and not getting much done? Now actually we might be mistyping and also, there might be truth to DCNH, hence when you read the description for each of these subtypes they're too nuanced to have come out of theory and not actually from (the practical activity of) interviewing people.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Gulenko realizes that there are 16 types, but because he only types people Beta, he invented DCNH to make up for it. So LSI-C when translated to normal Socionics probably means ESI, LII, SLI, or something like that. Lol.
    I had to re-read this because it's such a strange post coming from you. LSI-C with higher Ne (and Fe) is going to come off as chatty and slightly more extroverted but you'll hit the wall of impersonal and hard Ti+Se sooner or later. They don't become (Ne polr) ESI and they are not Se-polr LII. It's like, instead of going the logical way and considering imbalance in quadra distribution as a possibility you're willing to dismiss everything you've read about quadras and functions.

    Quote Originally Posted by wesleh00 View Post
    I hopefully will record and send them my response video later today.
    Please do!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post


    I've said this before, but one of our members who used to be in contact with G.'s people did say that she got it from them that, in their estimation, the quadras are not distributed evenly. It does not contradict daily life (that much). Have you thought what a pandemonium a junior high classroom would be with 3 real ILE students pouring their every thought and complex loudly onto the rest of the students and not getting much done? Now actually we might be mistyping and also, there might be truth to DCNH, hence when you read the description for each of these subtypes they're too nuanced to have come out of theory and not actually from (the practical activity of) interviewing people.


    Sure, that's possible. But he's made some Beta typings I'm pretty skeptical of. @ashlesha's example comes to mind. So I think Gulenko is likely mistyping people as Betas often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Sure, that's possible. But he's made some Beta typings I'm pretty skeptical of. @ashlesha's example comes to mind. So I think Gulenko is likely mistyping people as Betas often.
    I actually kind of agree with you here. I think Gulenko does have a sort of bias toward typing people as Betas (subconsciously or not). In one of his articles, he's basically pointed towards having a bias of sorts toward EIE in his conclusion on the cognitive styles:

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    In a way, this makes me doubt his impartiality a bit (maybe I am looking into it a bit too much). So far, I don't think that he has typed many (if any) Alphas and Deltas in his videos. If you're going to be paid just to be typed Beta/Gamma, then it's not worth it. It would make his methods questionable and the futility of the exercise would be up at the forefront of the questions. Sure, Gulenko more than likely had good intentions when he started out, but now it seems like he has gotten a bit lazy, you know?

    As for DNCH, I know it can work and make sense, but I'm not sure if I am sold on it completely as a substitute/companion to the two subtype system because when someone says, for example, someone is a SEE-N and their PoLR is enhanced, that doesn't make much sense. Surely, a SEE with enhanced Ti would be pretty stressed, or another type altogether? I think, that from a theoretical standpoint, things CAN get a bit muddy with DNCH for things being explained. And also, if you can be double subbed, and your subtypes can change order, surely that makes things more confusing? An LSI with enhanced Ne and Fi? No.

    The two subtype system isn't amazing either, and I think that it too can confuse people in a way. Take being an SLE-Ti, for example. Yeah, your base is still Se, but people can misinterpret that to mean 'seeing the world through a Ti-tinged Se lense' or 'does this person have a more logical leaning, supported by their base function'?

    I can understand how and why people get confused by the whole Socionics thing, especially if they just read articles, and don't understand the IMEs and how they work together within the psyche. And how their circumstances affect that as well, from the POV of their current mental state, and their current home environment. There are so many variables and typing is harder because of it, but at the end of the way, Gulenko is just another opinion (yeah, he may be well-versed in Socionics). The final analysis is down to you. Yeah, Gulenko and WSS, etc. can help you narrow it down, but you have the final conclusion.
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    @Rusal @DEAD @FreelancePoliceman @Tallmo @Adam Strange @qaz00 Thank you all for responding! It was helpful to get to read all your perspectives.

    I guess the thing that I am most concerned about (and skeptical about) lies within my predisposition to "sensory." Obviously, the connotation for intuition (introverted and extroverted) is much more profound, interesting, complex, etc. in relation to sensory (and especially extraverted sensing) which seems bland in comparison. I would even say its safe to assume that there is an undertone (in most typology) that intuition seems "cooler" to have as a dominant function (base or creative) compared to sensory, after all, even I think it sounds cooler!

    Knowing this, I am constantly monitoring in the background, "Am I hesitant to accept my typing because I simply don't want to be a sensory dominant?" Thus, it's hard for me to discern whether my true desire lies on the axiom that intuition has a more elegant connotation or the axiom that I genuinely do not believe that I am not a sensory dominant.

    If I truly am a sensor, then I will accept it. I just don't connect with the description of Se in LSI, in fact, I thought that If I was a sensor, I might be an introverted sensory dominant (though Si is strong and unconscious in LSI). I actually feel as if Gulenko nailed some of the other things about my personality traits, so there is definitely a sense of ambivalence in my results and thus my thinking and feelings towards them.

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    What I wonder about Gulenko, is why he dropped the two-subtype system (when it's true and he seemed to have a grasp of it, I guess it only seemed that way).

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    Quote Originally Posted by roger557 View Post
    What I wonder about Gulenko, is why he dropped the two-subtype system (when it's true and he seemed to have a grasp of it, I guess it only seemed that way).

    My guess is that he did it to stay at the forefront of new Socionics thought. To enhance his reputation, that is. That, and because Ti/Ne = logical systems ad infinitum, plus the threat of "Publish or Perish". All academia seems to follow that last rule.

    In my opinion, the two-subtype system seems to mirror the variations that we normally see in most life-forms, which is that characteristics tend to vary smoothly across populations. I also think that the subtypes are quite stable over time, once they have been established in an individual.

    DCNH, on the other hand, seems to have been inspired by an article on rat behavior, and most people who have read the original article know that the authors selected from one environment, rats demonstrating one type of DCNH behavior, and then placed these rats, let's say of D-type, into a different environment and they all then differentiated, each into one of the four DCNH types.
    This means that DCNH is not a stable personality trait, but is rather a social reaction to the environment.

    Sure, it's interesting and it might tell you a bit about how a person will behave if you already see them behaving as one of the DCNH types, but how predictive is that?
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    There's a whole big thread on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEAD View Post
    In a way, this makes me doubt his impartiality a bit (maybe I am looking into it a bit too much). So far, I don't think that he has typed many (if any) Alphas and Deltas in his videos.

    He typed an (apparently) non-forum member, who posted a video about it on youtube and then took it down. IEE is the type she got. Only many here didn’t get to see it.
    Quote Originally Posted by DEAD View Post
    As for DNCH, I know it can work and make sense, but I'm not sure if I am sold on it completely as a substitute/companion to the two subtype system because

    I'd be inclined to think DCNH is a companion, not a substitute. Subtype and DCNH intertwine well enough from personal experience. Enhanced functions work within the limits of the type. Stronger Si in ESE harmonizing is not going to make them a lax SEI, but more 'directionless' servicial people yet they come in contact with people as ESE-Fe. But their Si creative is obvious, what other type could they be, one wonders.
    Quote Originally Posted by wesleh00 View Post
    If I truly am a sensor, then I will accept it. I just don't connect with the description of Se in LSI, in fact, I thought that If I was a sensor, I might be an introverted sensory dominant (though Si is strong and unconscious in LSI). I actually feel as if Gulenko nailed some of the other things about my personality traits, so there is definitely a sense of ambivalence in my results and thus my thinking and feelings towards them.

    Give it time and continue your journey to your self-understanding. When I first read about Socionics I thought I was a thinking type: I can feel so unemotional inside. Well, Fe leads (at least one of them) suffers from imposter syndrome and one of the four subtypes of every type, from apathy. Combine those two factors and and you get the idea.


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