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    Hey hello, an introduction post :)

    I'm Norton Commander, my username is a reference to one of my top favorite songs (and.. a file manager?)
    I've been researching socionics for a while, however i'm not precisely sure which type I am, but I really like the Alpha quadra and I think I belong there. Delta would be the second closest, but not as near as Alpha. Also Alpha NTs are very cool, interesting people, love listening to their abstract talk and nerdy stuff, especially LIIs.. i kinda have a soft spot for them haha

    Don't have much else to say, that's all for now :)

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    Welcome, LII.

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    I’ve got to stop doing these one-post Ready-Fire-Aim typings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I’ve got to stop doing these one-post Ready-Fire-Aim typings.
    It's fun to read them!
    "I like elephants, and God likes elephants. Here's a realistic elephant...Anyway, uh, so if you don't wanna go for realism, you can go for better than realism. Whaddya mean better than realism? How 'bout an elephant with blue eyes?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by norton commander View Post
    Hey hello, an introduction post

    I'm Norton Commander, my username is a reference to one of my top favorite songs (and.. a file manager?)
    Did you ever use that file manager?
    "I like elephants, and God likes elephants. Here's a realistic elephant...Anyway, uh, so if you don't wanna go for realism, you can go for better than realism. Whaddya mean better than realism? How 'bout an elephant with blue eyes?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Did you ever use that file manager?
    I did. I liked it. It beat the hell out of the dos command line.

    I think Microsoft bought them and absorbed them into the Borg collective.

    Wait. I just looked, and there is no record of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I did. I liked it.

    I think Microsoft bought them and absorbed them into the Borg collective.
    My file manager is the tab key in fish (I realize the title might lead you to believe I'm joking, but I'm not, lol).
    "I like elephants, and God likes elephants. Here's a realistic elephant...Anyway, uh, so if you don't wanna go for realism, you can go for better than realism. Whaddya mean better than realism? How 'bout an elephant with blue eyes?"

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    I can't believe this was cutting edge software once upon a time. Perhaps future e-museum goers will be laughing at this forum as well.





    EDIT: That version is from 1998? Ha ha ha, you've got to be kidding me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    I can't believe this was cutting edge software once upon a time. Perhaps future e-museum goers will be laughing at this forum as well.





    EDIT: That version is from 1998? Ha ha ha, you've got to be kidding me.
    Don’t laugh, @xerx. That was when the World was young, and anything was possible.

    I think I bought my copy in 1987.

    Kids nowadays have no idea what it was like, trying to fit programs into 32kb of memory while fighting off pterodactyls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Don’t laugh, @xerx. That was when the World was young, and anything was possible.

    I think I bought my copy in 1987.

    Kids nowadays have no idea what it was like, trying to fit programs into 32kb of memory while fighting off pterodactyls.
    No problem, I prefer command line interface for configuration and folder navigation. Frankly, I believe that graphical UI was a step in the wrong direction. Text is a more expressive medium than clickable widgets. The old school got it right in some respects

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    People in the future won’t know about this forum, because the walls, composed of flowing and mutable computing machinery, won’t tell them about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    No problem, I prefer command line interface for configuration and folder navigation. Frankly, I believe that graphical UI was a step in the wrong direction. Text is a more expressive medium than clickable widgets. The old school got it right in some respects
    Text is fine if you are text-literate. If you aren’t, then you buy an Apple.

    Please take a look at Apple and Linux’s relative valuations.

    I know you probably don’t mark value in terms of money, but think of those valuations in terms of the toys you could buy. The mobile robots, the metal printers, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    People in the future won’t know about this forum, because the walls, composed of flowing and mutable computing machinery, won’t tell them about it.
    OTOH, this life could be a 21st century simulation that we're all plugged into. The early 21st century is the perfect time to reconstruct because of the wide availability of primary sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    OTOH, this life could be a simulation of the 21st century, in an e-museum, which we're all plugged into. The early 21st century is the perfect time to reconstruct because of the wide availability of primary sources.
    And it’s just prior to the point where everything started going downhill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Text is fine if you are text-literate. If you aren’t, then you buy an Apple.

    Please take a look at Apple and Linux’s relative valuations.

    I know you probably don’t mark value in terms of money, but think of those valuations in terms of the toys you could buy. The mobile robots, the metal printers, etc.
    Ok, give users fancy graphic icons. What’s the result? No one who learns to use these computers learns anything about how computers work, and they still have to search online for how to change basic settings. The problem is that graphic icons make nothing intrinsically easier than text. When you present a GUI to a user, about all you get is for the user not to feel intimidated. You could just as easily create a file listing common commands a user may need to run if your concern is that users will have to learn too much. They have to learn how to navigate graphical menus, too.

    The benefits of GUIs are A) aesthetic and B) psychological, in the sense that users are conditioned to fear text. There are a few exceptions — if you’re already running a graphic program, like a game, you may need to change settings on the fly, and it would generally be simpler from a user’s perspective for there to be a graphic menu with an option to change commonly needed settings, rather than restart the program after editing some file or environment variable. But many programs don’t need to be graphic in the first place.

    Sure, from a marketing perspective, Apple is great at marketing to people who are rich and scared to try anything that involves a terminal. But the fact that they’ve earned a fortune by mining rich and stupid people doesn’t mean their approach is technically good! The entire reason it’s complained that GUIs on Linux suck is because most Linux users have found there are better ways of configuring a computer. Especially if you have autocomplete!

    Also, those robots probably run Linux. シ
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    Hm, why LII? I'm curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Did you ever use that file manager?
    Not really.. I remember while ago I watched a youtube video on how to use it, but I haven't tried it out (yet)

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