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    Protestant work ethic values: diligence, industriousness, frugality, self-discipline, humility, delayed gratification, responsibility,
    prudence, moral integrity, impartiality, competence, and foresight (reasonable concern for distant consequences)

    I'm writing a thesis for this topic at UCLA (I came across this topic after studying the history and behavioral aspects of social systems)

    What quadra/information elements (functions)/ enneagram/ personality type would fit the values of the protestant work ethic the most?

    Personally I'm thinking leaning Delta>=Gamma quadra(not sure which fits PWE more), emphasizes Te motivated by Fi, enneagram E1 and E6,
    and suits SLI, ExTJs, ILI (leaning Te sub), and ESI the most.

    What would be your take? -I would welcome your perspectives here.

    P.S. I'm not a market fundamentalist/ capitalist, by the way.

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    I think natural talent, working smart and having access to the right opportunities are more important. I don’t think most people can will their way to CEO positions/6-figure+ compensation. The guy who can automate most of his work while messing around on his computer will get further in life than the guy who’s busting his ass to complete the same work manually and taking much longer to do so. People generally care about results, not effort
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    Most high salaried positions are just a pipeline from rich/upper middle class upbringing -> Ivy League/target school education -> employment at one of 4-8 top firms

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    I saw somewhere Gulenko said the typical protestant work ethic was Te/Fi. I can't remember where but I think he was talking about the relationship between LIE and ESI, where the enterprising efforts of the LIE are tempered with the moral considerations of the ESI.
    The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.

    The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".

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    Yeah, it's mostly Te, LIE and LSE, followed by SLI and ESI I'd say, with LSI following up.

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    LSEs are like the poster-child for what you're describing, but there's some 5w6 LII or LSI in there too. With any social phenomenon as big as the protestant work ethic, you should expect to find the influence of many different groups of people.

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    It is rather a result of the theological debate between catholicism and protestantism and it's ramifications, than a result of human cognition.

    What is doing good deeds for catholics is working hard for the protestants, Weber thought this was the sociological cause for the birth of capitalism.

    I really doubt this is related to socionics, at least in my "kind" of socionics, for me it is about information metabolism and it's arranged in model A by the formal IM definitions.
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    Why not write a paper on Islamic work ethic for UCLA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBRS View Post
    It is rather a result of the theological debate between catholicism and protestantism and it's ramifications, than a result of human cognition.

    What is doing good deeds for catholics is working hard for the protestants, Weber thought this was the sociological cause for the birth of capitalism.

    I really doubt this is related to socionics, at least in my "kind" of socionics, for me it is about information metabolism and it's arranged in model A by the formal IM definitions.
    Human cognition is going to effect the way humans think about things. There is a pretty clear link even if figuring out the precise way the link occurred/occurs is probably going to be pretty convoluted.

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    God I hate all those traits lmao.

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    my least favorite Protestant values/traits are humility, aesthetic conformity/conservatism, blind deference to the needs of businesses and capital owners in general and living to work. I’d like to be able to wear what I want, work from home, take month long vacations, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Averroes View Post
    my least favorite Protestant values/traits are humility, aesthetic conformity/conservatism, blind deference to authority and living to work

    How else you gonna accumulate that Capital?

    Remember, Christianity was started by commune-ists. What else would you call thirteen guys living in the desert without jobs?
    And look where it is today.

    Thou Shalt Accumulate!

    https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Tex...dp/1312882301/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    How else you gonna accumulate that Capital?

    Remember, Christianity was started by commune-ists. What else would you call thirteen guys living in the desert without jobs?
    And look where it is today.

    Thou Shalt Accumulate!

    https://www.amazon.com/Essential-Tex...dp/1312882301/
    By getting a loan from your parents or being a genius/having an extremely type A personality

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averroes View Post
    By getting a loan from your parents or being a genius/having an extremely type A personality

    Most rich people got rich the old-fashioned way. They inherited.

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    Human cognition, in my opinion, rather works as a filter for ideas.

    Religious values are usually a result of historical, social or even economic and political pressures, and we would do good in separating them from typology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazaam View Post
    God I hate all those traits lmao.
    I appreciate them myself, but then again they’re not traits that are exclusive to “Protestant Work Ethic”.

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