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    But yeah totally- I think they are likely to use people like Eudaimonia as scapegoats to show how clean/virtuous they are or to hide their sexual abuses.

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    Be cautious, as Nietzsche observed, to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad.
    With mind distracted, never thinking, "Death is coming,"
    To slave away on the pointless business of mundane life,
    And then to come out empty--it is a tragic error.
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    Are we allowed to cancel / fire racist and misogynistic employees? I'm there to make money, not to have pseudo-legal, pseudo-philosophical debates with a 110 IQ edge lord who has memorized some J. S. Mill BrainyQuotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Are we allowed to cancel / fire racist and misogynistic employees? I'm there to make money, not to have pseudo-legal, pseudo-philosophical debates with a 110 IQ edge lord who has memorized some J. S. Mill BrainyQuotes.
    Unless it affects their performance, why would you? Just ignore them and suppress the urge to punish thinking you don’t agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Unless it affects their performance, why would you? Just ignore them and suppress the urge to punish thinking you don’t agree with.
    It's not his performance that I'm concerned about. It's everyone else's. Virtually no one wants to work with obnoxious people that don't respect them. More than that, they'll start hating me for not doing something about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    It's not his performance that I'm concerned about. It's everyone else's. Virtually no one wants to work with obnoxious people that don't respect them. More than that, they'll start hating me for not doing something about it.
    So just ban talking politics at work if it's that much of a problem. Though why adults can't just address their concerns with each other directly and expect their employer to be their moral police is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    Are we allowed to cancel / fire racist and misogynistic employees? I'm there to make money, not to have pseudo-legal, pseudo-philosophical debates with a 110 IQ edge lord who has memorized some J. S. Mill BrainyQuotes.
    Hm, I would say we shouldn't but I'm thinking their behavior could affect the work environment which is bad for the company.



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    When I was a kid everyone always said don't discuss politics, religion, or money at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    So just ban talking politics at work if it's that much of a problem. Though why adults can't just address their concerns with each other directly and expect their employer to be their moral police is beyond me.
    It would still be bad for the business. If cold indifference is your attitude, no one will see you as a leader, and your employees won't stick around. I've worked for racist and sexist supervisors, and it felt wrong to help them advance their careers.


    So just ban talking politics at work if it's that much of a problem.
    That's also censorship. And political views usually come out anyway.

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    Either you allow people to say what they want and not "censor" them and you deal with potential conflict or you do censor them and you have a greater chance of having workplace cohesion. I don't believe in censorship of people in general but I agree that it can affect team performance in a workplace.

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    I frame it this way, law or mob.

    Cancel culture is the mob, and the government is law. Sometimes the mob is right but it is a extra legal force which can go terribly wrong. Cancel culture is deeper than just modern progressive woke culture, in the past it was racism, sexism and a culture of oppressive social conduct. The social history of man is various different forms of sectarian cancel culture.

    Now that doesn't mean the law didn't also aid in racism, prejudice and oppressive institutions but it was still the law and require a certain rational due process. The law and the mob should and often do check and balance each other, and during these periods there is often a tension which creates social change within society. The tension between these forces indicate a new social challenge which needs to be understood and problem solved.

    My view is that the information revolution which we are undergoing, like the industrial revolution that preceded it has really disturbed our identity, sense of social belonging, and this creates a great deal of anxiety in us. This anxiety expresses itself in polarization and conflict.

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    Every system aims to protect itself, and develops more sophisticated and effective methods for social engineering, censorship and repression of real disidents. Democracies are lies, republics or constitutional monarchies ruled by financial oligarchs are facts.

    Cancel culture is nothing more than an instigation from the superstructure to protect itself and advance it's interest with more profficiency than direct censorship (and that still happens).

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    I sincerely believe that some future generation will look back on our time as a dark age for freedom of speech. Not because we don't have enough, but because we have so much that we've wasted on stupid trivialities. If anything, we have more freedom of speech and information than at any other time in human history. There are unlimited literary freedoms in the West, and nearly unlimited scientific freedom; we have complete freedom of association and assembly; anti-blasphemy laws are now non-existent; and the Internet provides virtually limitless access to information.

    People literally died for us to have all of this (serious, hardworking, intelligent, and sincere people). But for what sort of "controversial" purpose is it now being used? To claim that Jews have built a giant space laser — not exactly Galilean physics or Martin Luther's ninety five theses. The real enemies of free speech are the people who trivialize it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shazaam View Post


    Integrating your shadow is supposed to be a thing of healthy psychology, but I think that is the entire thing with Cancel Culture- they view people as strictly good or bad the way people with Borderline Personality Disorder do.
    Yes they do, and it reminds me of moral puritanism in Christian communities. That's the closest comparison I could draw, in psychological terms of finding people either good or evil (though they don't use those terms, more like "bigot" "right wing asshole" etc) but never being themselves able to live up to the "good" since no one is able to live up to such moral standards.

    We live in times of intense moralization, which means high standards everyone knows deep down are impossible to live up to. How do you deal with not being able to live up to some high moral standard that you see the truth? Well, blame others when they don't live up to it, so as to take the focus off of yourself.

    I would describe cancel culture as mostly a kind of moral panic, like the medieval inquisition, Salem witch trials, red scare, satanic panic etc. People need scapegoats when they are unfullfilled, going nowhere and anxious. I would put far right conspiracies in the same category of moral panics.
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