Sugar daddy/ sugar baby relationships

[Tallmo]

I watched this short documentary about a Finnish sex worker. She doesn't seem like the typical prostitute. She is young, good looking and smart and not a drug addict. Seems nice and normal. She sells sex because it's easier than working in a bar. She's a student.

No subtitles but here's a summary of what she says:

- She is picky about her customers and only chooses men who treat her well.
- The sex is often good, from average to really great.
- If she has 1-2 men each day for a week she can take the rest of the month off.
- She gets more respect from men in this work than from working in a bar.
- She disagrees with the general view that prostitutes are being taken advantage of. She is the one who has power.
- It's not that different from normal dating.
- She wants to get to know the men a little before sex. They talk for awhile and then go over to her bed.
- Kissing is ok, but no weird or kinky stuff

I think it's all about being good looking and in the position that you can choose whom you sleep with.

Not sure about her type, but EP seems right.

[EUDAEMONIUM]

We all sell ourselves in some way or another, but it doesn't mean we should celebrate it.

[Great]

I'm sugar free.

[hardR]

I don't mind taking care of a woman financially, as long as she is only having sex with me. That just seems like a traditional marriage to me.

[PunkSailor]

I know this one woman that gets paid 2000 a week to just talk to the guy...

[Beautiful sky]

I’ve been a sugar momma to my sister ESE to my friends SEI not type related. If you’re in the position to help someone why not???

[End]

I don't mind taking care of a woman financially, as long as she is only having sex with me. That just seems like a traditional marriage to me.

Pretty much is, but you're leaving out the most important part. It ain't about the money or the sex in the ultimate end. It's about them fulfilling your deepest and most personal needs. Y'know, being intimate with you. A real, healthy marriage is all about the intimacy of which sex is merely a part. Of course you don't mind forking over the bill for the family's food, rent, and security because your wife is, on top of being loyal to you sexually is: cooking the food, raising the kids, keeping a whole network of other families whose hubbies you are close friends with up and running in a mutual support network all without you even having to prompt her to do so, etc.

The big problem is so many sugar daddies nowadays only care about the access to punani over what said rock hard pussy used to pledge to provide to a worthy man in exchange to what a Tier-1 10/10 man implicitly pledged to the object of his affections that caused her to just utterly submit to him and his equally rock hard rod.

I'm here all week folks .

[End]

We all sell ourselves in some way or another, but it doesn't mean we should celebrate it.

You should if you sell/offer yourself well my dude. All relationships are ultimately transactional. My own with my God included. Is it a healthy/rational transaction though? That's the real question.

[FreelancePoliceman]

For me it's because if my "love" can be bought, having the same feelings and behavior towards the one I really love doesn't mean anything anymore. There are just some things you don't sell for the same reason.

I don't think there's anything wrong with selling love; only for selling it for something as cheap as money.

[FreelancePoliceman]

Well instead of money what are you thinking of selling it for?

Fidelity, physical pleasure, and/or interesting conversation work.

[EUDAEMONIUM]

You should if you sell/offer yourself well my dude. All relationships are ultimately transactional. My own with my God included. Is it a healthy/rational transaction though? That's the real question.

Transactional relationships are a lower form of love. When love is given freely in excess, without notice or care for its expenditure, it allows an individual to sacrifice themselves for love.

A wasteful excess that allows for a person to love another to death.

[Number 9 large]

ah yes using someone elses love and affection to get yourself access to their resources the classic female tactics

[Adam Strange]

Fidelity, physical pleasure, and/or interesting conversation work.

@FreelancePoliceman, would you consider dating a blonde ESE who drives a red convertible and is happy, healthy, financially secure and a clinical psychologist who said she values fidelity and is looking for a loquacious and straightforward man?

Would you date her if she’s ten or fifteen years older than you?

Asking for a friend.

[FreelancePoliceman]

@FreelancePoliceman, would you consider dating a blonde ESE who drives a red convertible and is happy, healthy, financially secure and a clinical psychologist who said she values fidelity and is looking for a loquacious and straightforward man?

Would you date her if she’s ten or fifteen years older than you?

Asking for a friend.

As I’ve said, I’m not sure duality is optimal for marriage, but I’d probably be willing to date her at least. Loquacious, eh, I can try to be; I’m not sure if I’d qualify. Why; do you have one? Lol.

[Adam Strange]

As I’ve said, I’m not sure duality is optimal for marriage, but I’d probably be willing to date her at least. Loquacious, eh, I can try to be; I’m not sure if I’d qualify. Why; do you have one? Lol.

Yes. She contacted me on Match and said “I like your straightforward manner (in my profile) and here is my phone number.”
I looked at her pictures, decided “ESE”, then called her.

In a twenty minute conversation, we decided that we are each terrific people but not terrific for each other. She asked me to help her find a mate, and I met this LII at Kinko’s who looks OK, but he’s probably 10-15 years younger than her.
Hence my question.

I was just trying to find out if an LII would date older, and thanks for your answer, but she’s even further away from you than 15 years. She’s probably your mother’s age.

[xerx]

According to this, young women, especially feminist women, are turning away from sex-positivity, mostly as a reaction to hookup culture and extreme porn: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/o...-feminism.html. Seems interesting if true.

Just realized that there's a paywall. Here's an archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20210924...-feminism.html

[FreelancePoliceman]

Yes. She contacted me on Match and said “I like your straightforward manner (in my profile) and here is my phone number.”
I looked at her pictures, decided “ESE”, then called her.

In a twenty minute conversation, we decided that we are each terrific people but not terrific for each other. She asked me to help her find a mate, and I met this LII at Kinko’s who looks OK, but he’s probably 10-15 years younger than her.
Hence my question.

I was just trying to find out if an LII would date older, and thanks for your answer, but she’s even further away from you than 15 years. She’s probably your mother’s age.

Lol. Personally speaking I don't think I'd mind having a sort of informal relationship with an older woman, but for a committed relationship/marriage I'd prefer a woman who's in a similar or younger stage of life. 15 years is pushing it, but I'd be at least willing to give it a try.

[Vex]

There are parallels to marriage and relationships but it's ultimately an agreement. Is it exploitative? Maybe to some, but I would say most actions are exploitative in one way or another.

Anyways the dynamic somewhat appeals to me (as either the baby or momma).

[Stray Cat]

The biggest issue within sugar daddy/baby relations is the pesky issue of who'll become a diabetic first

[xerx]

Something occurred to me recently. Some sugar babies (and sex workers in general) probably get paid with connections and careers. Their best clients are, presumably, rich and connected men.

Right now, there is a perception that not a lot of women are sugar babies. And people that accuse women of sleeping their way to the top aren't supposed to be taken seriously. They can be dismissed for being misogynists or bitter about losing that same promotion. But if sugaring were normalized — if say 5% of women started doing it (which is still a small percentage, but not small enough to be inconspicuous) — those accusations would suddenly seem more credible.

And couldn't these accusations be weaponized by rivals, used to justify feelings of bitterness against co-workers, and create disillusionment with the ideal of meritocracy? And if there was the real possibility of being seen as a sugar daddy, wouldn't a lot of men stop mentoring women at work?

[The Reality Denialist]

I think circumstances can influence a lot.

I dug further into one ILE - IEE relationship. ILE had influence and money and IEE (>40 years age difference) lived with him [he had a pattern of wanting to financially support women going on and thinking that these women could live free out of work as they pleased].

[Sol]

A sugar relationship involves the exchange of money and gifts for companionship and all that comes with a regular relationship.

Love supposes that 2 peope are joined as equals alike "one". Property is a part of this - it's not individual.

> My sister thinks that a beneficiary or supervisee would make the best sugar daddy to her

Friendship supposes mutual profit. Orderer and supervisor perceives the opponent as having lesser value and interest by IR effects. Some functions of suborderer and subrevisie are not supported good. This opposes to good friendship and hence both sides get lesser.

[Armitage]

Something occurred to me recently. Some sugar babies (and sex workers in general) probably get paid with connections and careers. Their best clients are, presumably, rich and connected men.

Right now, there is a perception that not a lot of women are sugar babies. And people that accuse women of sleeping their way to the top aren't supposed to be taken seriously. They can be dismissed for being misogynists or bitter about losing that same promotion. But if sugaring were normalized — if say 5% of women started doing it (which is still a small percentage, but not small enough to be inconspicuous) — those accusations would suddenly seem more credible.

And couldn't these accusations be weaponized by rivals, used to justify feelings of bitterness against co-workers, and create disillusionment with the ideal of meritocracy? And if there was the real possibility of being seen as a sugar daddy, wouldn't a lot of men stop mentoring women at work?

If the men are rich and powerful and have gotten away with misdeeds before, then chances are that they believe they will never get caught. With every uncaught wrongdoing they push their moral borders further. Just take a look at Se-valuing Silvio Berlusconi, who even after being convicted for holding bunga-bunga parties with underage teenage girls, tried once again to become president of Italy. He also has been convicted of corruption as the boss of the largest media coporation of Italy. A similar thing has been going on with Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, who currently is charged for corruption. Power doesn't necessarily corrupt inasmuch as that it attracts corrupt people to it. These people then drop their masks the moment they have gotten in charge. Helping some young femme up in the corporate hierarchy in exchange for sex is probably one of their lesser crimes in life. Oftentimes their deeds are covered up by other high-ranking leaders and managers, who indulge in similar vices. It is for a reason that corporate executives and state leaders have been scientifically found to show more symptoms of both psychopathy and narcissism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTgpTdEHOmE

Regarding the women who get a leg up this way, how are you going to prove that they acquired their position through sex? They'll descredit your claims as mere rumours. It's slander against their good name, and anyone spreading these rumours should be exiled. After all, never have I heard of an official committee being towed up to investigate if certain women got their position doing sex services for their boss. What does exist, however, are official committees that investigate sexual abuse of bosses, which then fire or demote said bosses. Who do you think are next in line to replace their bosses? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqFpn1b3A6g Men and women differ less than people think, including in their desire for power.

Given the old gender roles, sexual abuse is ever portrayed to be perpetrated by men with women being the victims. If any men would even so much as claim to be victimized by a woman, they will be emasculated and ridiculed. No-one will take them seriously as a man anymore. Sexual abuse can affect all genders, but the media portray only one side of the story. They thereby propagate a narrative of all men being uncontrollable beasts that cannot be left in charge. Don't get me wrong, sexual abuse is a very serious crime that should be fought against, but the whole story should be told that men can be as much victimized by women as the other way around. Sexual abuse affects everyone.

[WVBRY]

There are parallels to marriage and relationships but it's ultimately an agreement. Is it exploitative? Maybe to some, but I would say most actions are exploitative in one way or another.

Anyways the dynamic somewhat appeals to me (as either the baby or momma).

Findom me bb.

[xerx]

Regarding the women who get a leg up this way, how are you going to prove that they acquired their position through sex? They'll descredit your claims as mere rumours. It's slander against their good name, and anyone spreading these rumours should be exiled. After all, never have I heard of an official committee being towed up to investigate if certain women got their position doing sex services for their boss.

That's all true. You really can't prove it.

But there is nothing very official about office gossip. For someone who resents having lost a promotion, it'd be a tempting explanation.

[Lycantrope]

Yeah there's a very fine line with LSIs. Once you cross it, there's no going back.

Are you kidding me? LSI love promiscuous EIE, they love to stalk them and make threats. And EIE loves to be stalked too even though they go on court to sue the LSI live televised for the whole world to see.

[lookin4waifu]

I’m okay with being financially dominated, and also with financial domination if I were rich enough. I’m talking about face slapping and sprinkling over naked bodies with wads of bills.