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    While largely associated with genetically inherited traits, visual identification of type alludes to movements, gaze, expressions, gestures. The dynamic reactions of the person to the influence of their environment. The way information is processed leading to the development of certain motor skills. Proper assessment distinguishes the genetic manifestations of a person from the dynamic.

    Structural differences have been suggested as well, likely adopted/idealized from more ancient eastern principles in physiognomy. It’s possible that these associations can be seen ostensibly as a general tendency rather than as a rule.

    Jung, C. G.

    The relationship between psychology and physiology:
    The separation of psychology from the basic assumptions of biology is purely artificial, because the human psyche lives in indissoluble union with the body. And since these biological assumptions hold good not only for man but for the whole world of living things, the scientific foundation on which they rest obtains a validity far exceeding that of a psychological judgment, which is valid only in the realm of consciousness. It is therefore no surprise if the psychologist is often inclined to fall back on the security of the biological standpoint and to borrow freely from physiology and the theory of instinct. Nor is it astonishing to find a widely accepted point of view which regards psychology as merely a chapter in physiology. Although psychology rightly claims autonomy in its own special field of research, it must recognize a far-reaching correspondence between its facts and the data of biology.
    Observing intuition/sensation through the eyes:
    When you observe a man who is working by his sense function you will see, if you look at him attentively, that the axes of his eyes have a tendency to converge and to come together at one point. When you study the expression or the eyes of intuitive people, you will see that they only glance at things—they do not look, they radiate at things because they take in their fullness, and among the many things they perceive they get one point on the periphery of their field of vision and that is the hunch. Often you can tell from the eyes whether people are intuitive or not. When you have an intuitive attitude you usually do not as a rule observe the details. You always try to take in the whole of a situation, and then suddenly something crops up out of this wholeness. When you are a sensation type you will observe facts as they are, but then you have no intuition, simply because the two things cannot be done at the same time.
    Augustinavichiute, A.

    Distinguishing between extroversion/introversion:
    Extroverts differ from introverts not only in their mental properties, but also externally. In an extrovert, the right hemisphere is always active. This can be seen in the face and eyes. The more developed half of the face in extroverts, as a rule, is the left half of the face and the left eye, in an introvert - the right side of the face and the right eye. When we talk to a person, usually attention is attracted by the active eye, that is, we look not so much at the entire face of a person as at the active eye.

    The active side of the face most often seems and is narrower and longer, the active eye is larger and more meaningful… In general, these external differences should be viewed only as a trend - there are also very deceptive faces.

    The faces of extroverts are more mobile, less constrained, they show that a person can order and demand. An introvert has a special calm forehead. Sometimes it seems that they are watching the world with the third eye. Interestingly, the warmest, as well as the coldest, faces are in introverts. The warmest in the sensory-ethical introvert and the intuitive-ethical introvert, cold - in the ethical-sensory introvert and ethical-intuitive introvert.
    Other suggestions for visual typing:
    Sensory and intuitive differ in appearance: eyes, gait. Intuitive eyes are eyes that look and don't see. The eyes of the sensory, on the contrary, the eyes of a very clear seeing and noticing person. The gait of each intuitive is less confident, he seems to be a little hovering in the air and is ready to give way to everyone. The gait of the sensory is distinguished by clarity, self-confidence, intransigence.

    It's interesting. The narrowest faces seem to be in people with introverted intuition. The widest are in people with introverted sensory. Take, for example, intuitive extroverts and sensory extroverts. Both of them are static, so there should be no innate differences, if we take the average representative of one and the other type. However, the faces of intuitive extroverts tend to appear oblong. This is mainly due to wrinkles around the mouth and on the forehead. But the faces of sensory extroverts are round. This is mainly due to the cheekbones developed by these strong-willed people. Compressed cheekbones are especially striking in the sensory-ethical extrovert.

    By the eyes, you can judge not only whether a person is sensory or intuitive, but also whether his sensory and intuition are extroverted or introverted. This is determined by the opening of the eyes: the widest eyes in people with extroverted intuition I, the narrowest, most squinted, in people with introverted intuition T. This is most noticeable when a person is in a brooding state. Sensories are distributed in the middle, and in people with extroverted sensory they are wider and less acute than in people with introverted sensory. This is because the former try to cover the entire observable space, while the latter are only individual objects. According to the openness or squint of the eyes, other things being equal, that is, with a similar addition of the face, from all types of IM, you can form such a series (from the widest to the most squinted).
    Novichkov, Rod.

    Distinction in the eyes:
    Extraverted Intuitive (Ne) types have PIERCING eyes. Extraverted Intuitive (Ne) people tend to omit details. They concentrate on something they consider the most important. They would normally stare at one spot (eyes, mouth). The sharp eyes of Extraverted Intuitive (Ne) do not move as much as Extraverted Sensory (Se) eyes do. They pierce right through you. Ask an Extraverted Intuitive (Ne) type what he/she noticed in an interlocutor. He/she will point out some significant details (what distinguishes that person from everybody else, what his/her very core is). Ask him/her about the details of the interlocutor's dress, he/she will be lost. Extraverted Intuitive (Ne) types always have problems memorizing long passages verbatim. They simply can’t memorize all the details.

    Extraverted Sensory (Se) types have RUNNING eyes. These eyes examine you from head to toes. They don’t miss a single detail. Not only will they notice every little detail, they will be able to recall all these details on their deathbed. The only thing that will remain hidden is the inner kernel, the core of the person in front of them. Extraverted Sensory (Se) eyes scan and memorize the surface. These people can easily memorize long passages verbatim, but if you ask them to retell the main idea of the passage in their own words, it will take an effort. Very energetic, clear eyes. You have no doubt that the person sees you. In a photograph, these eyes express a plain, open look. Not wide open or squinted.

    Introverted Intuitive (Ni) types have wide open, yet ABSENT eyes. These people are as far from reality as possible. They tend to live in their own world, and stick to their own understanding of things. This very feature is reflected in their eyes. Their wide open eyes, devoid of any squint, look into eternity, and don’t pause on the material objects. These eyes make an impression that they don’t see at all. If Extraverted Intuitive (Ne) types see the essence of objects, Introverted Intuitive (Ni) see the essence of inner processes. They can easily tell you what a certain character trait will evolve into after 30 years.

    Introverted Sensory (Si) types have FLOATING eyes. Where the Extraverted Sensory (Se) type is scanning all over you with his/her eyes, the Introverted Sensory (Si) type looks at you as if he/she is scanning the background. As opposed to seeing the reality the way it is. They perceive a certain refraction of it that is somewhat close to reality, yet tingled with their own vision. It seems that Introverted Sensory (Si) type always tends to be creative with his/her perception by adjusting it according to their present disposition. Also, these are the people that perceive the relationships between objects rather than the objects themselves. Introverted Sensory (Si) types can easily tell you that you place more weight on your right leg than your left one. Introverted Sensory (Si) eyes are slowly moving, either relaxed or squinted, as if adjusting focus.

    One important rule to remember. Extraverted Sensing (Se) is the function opposite to Introverted Intuition (Ni). Same opposition is valid for Extraverted Intuition (Ne) and Introverted Sensing (Si). Sometimes, you will see a hint of Introverted Intuition (Ni) in the eyes of an Extraverted Sensory (Se) type. Yes, the opposites live within each other.
    Other important features to look at:
    LIPS. Intuitive types never have ample lips. If you see full lips, the person is Sensory. If you see skinny lips, it DOES NOT necessarily mean that the person is Intuitive.
    FACIAL FLESH. Intuitive types never have fleshy faces. If you see a fleshy face, the person is Sensory. If you see a skinny face, it DOES NOT necessarily mean that the person is Intuitive.
    BODY. Intuitive types never have a full figure. If you see a full figured person, he/she is Sensory. If you see a skinny person, it DOES NOT necessarily mean that the person is Intuitive.
    HANDS. This is the most indicative feature. Intuitive types have skinny, unshapely, knuckled hands. Sensory types have thicker, stockier hands.
    COMFORTABLENESS OF POSITION. Intuitive types would more often assume an “uncomfortable”, fancy, unstable or unusual position. Sensory types would normally assume a comfortable, “generic” position.
    Tsypin, Pavel.




    Dukhovskoy, T.A.

    Sensory & Intuitive

    Logic & Ethic

    Mobility in parts of the face (cont'd):
    If you mentally draw a horizontal line dividing a person's face in the area at ​​the base of the nose and compare the mobility in parts of the face, it will be clearly noticeable that the upper part of the face is more mobile in logicians, the lower in ethics. The logician expresses his state, feelings and attitude to what is happening more with his eyes and forehead than with his mouth. For a logician, a normal facial reaction is rapid and active movements of the eyebrows and forehead. The logician usually raises his eyebrows, makes a "house" out of them, or brings them together, frowns, moves his eyebrows up and down separately ("wave of eyebrows"), etc. During these changes, the lips of the logic usually express some standard fixed emotion and practically do not change their expression. Ethics expresses emotions mostly with the lower part of the face - with the mouth and lips. A normal facial reaction for an ethicist is a reaction to an interlocutor's utterance or event by changing the position of the lips. Ethic usually purses his lips, wrinkles or curls his mouth noticeably. In this case, the eyebrows and forehead remain almost motionless, or the eyebrows are simply raised and / or brought together and freeze for a long time. We can say that the activity of facial expressions of the upper part of the face of the logic is equal to the activity of facial expressions of the lower part of the face of the ethic. Likewise, the lower part of the face is logic as passive in expressing emotions as the upper part of the face is ethics. wrinkles or curls the mouth noticeably. In this case, the eyebrows and forehead remain almost motionless, or the eyebrows are simply raised and / or brought together and freeze for a long time. We can say that the activity of facial expressions of the upper part of the face of the logic is equal to the activity of facial expressions of the lower part of the face of the ethic. Likewise, the lower part of the face is logic as passive in expressing emotions as the upper part of the face is ethics. wrinkles or curls the mouth noticeably. In this case, the eyebrows and forehead remain almost motionless, or the eyebrows are simply raised and/or brought together and freeze for a long time. We can say that the activity of facial expressions of the upper part of the face of the logic is equal to the activity of facial expressions of the lower part of the face of the ethic. Likewise, the lower part of the face is logic as passive in expressing emotions as the upper part of the face is ethics.

    At first glance, it seems that usually people use both the upper and lower parts of the face evenly, but if you take two people with precisely defined types, logic and ethics, and observe their facial expressions for a long time, comparing the mobility of the upper and lower parts of the face, it is not difficult make sure they are different. You just need to compare the number of muscle movements per unit of time in each part of the face. For example, in the photographs on the far left below, the difference in the facial expressions of the upper and lower parts of the face is clearly visible: the logician actively brought his eyebrows together, while only curling his mouth a little, while the ethic's forehead remained almost motionless, but he actively contracted various muscles in the lower part of the face.
    The normal reaction to an event for a logician will be to raise his eyebrows, make a "house" out of them, or bring them together, frown, etc. depending on the situation, the lips can take a certain standard position and during the entire change of facial expressions do not change their shape. Logic conveys interest and feelings in communication more with the forehead, bridge of the nose and nose - wrinkles the forehead and nose, moving eyebrows often form deep horizontal wrinkles on the forehead, wrinkles on the nose. The expression on the face of a logician never accurately conveys his mood at the moment.

    The smile is cold, sharp, does not depend on the situation, as if one of the standard set for all occasions, usually uncertain. He has several “ready-made” smiles, as well as mimic expressions of sadness, boredom and other emotions, which he changes like masks, sometimes very sharply - he laughs, then he is immediately sad. Emotionality is expressed sharply - calmness, emotional outburst, calmness, boredom, sharply interest, enthusiasm, calmness. Most of the time, facial expressions are serious or boring, and the emotional level is stable. Photos usually come out in two versions - either boring and serious, or with a standard smile, which can be repeated almost unchanged in several photos. It turns out either in one version, or in the other, or in the third, without gaps.

    It is normal for an ethicist to respond to an unexpected statement or event by changing the position of the lips, wrinkling or noticeably curling his mouth, according to mood or depending on the essence of the message. At the same time, the eyebrows and forehead remain almost unchanged, do not move. The ethic plays with his mouth, lips, chin, conveys information with the lower part of his face. Therefore, nasolabial folds are often formed. Forehead, bridge of the nose and nose ethics are usually smooth, without wrinkles and folds.

    A smile is warm, burning, soft or slightly sad, depending on the mood and the situation, always fresh, new. Emotional expressions gradually replace and, as it were, "flow" into each other, reflecting the smooth transition from one emotion to another. They play up every mood creatively, creating a very lively, direct and attractive theater of facial expressions. There are many semitones in the expression of feelings - sadness, sadness, boredom, interest, gaiety, friendliness, interest, boredom, interest, enthusiasm. Most of the time, facial expression changes, the emotional level is unstable.

    Sometimes sad or merry, serious or thoughtful. The ratio of changes to constant expression is 70/30%. In the photo, it can be completely different depending on the mood: at one moment it is serious, in an arc it is cheerful, in the third it is sad. All this in different semitones and transitions from one mood to another. It is often imprinted, as it were, in the transition from one mood to another (a very striking sign!) Logic is very difficult to "catch" like that. In general, we can say that an ethicist has a capricious, whiny mouth, while a logician has a dry one with compressed lips.

    Logic's voice is harsh, with a metallic tinge, constant tone and timbre, regardless of the situation. The transition from tone to tone occurs abruptly, like a jump from step to step: low - and immediately high, high - and immediately low. The transmission of one's mood by voice is uncertain and difficult for a logician. It has a limited number of such standard step-tones, the intervals between them seem to "slip", so it can often say something unexpectedly in a falsetto or too low voice, inappropriate to the situation and to the desired impact on the interlocutor. Can mumble something for a long time and monotonously on one note, or constantly speak in raised tones completely out of topic. The voice of ethics is soft, insinuating or harsh, depending on the mood and desire to make the necessary impact in a particular situation. The transition from tone to tone is smooth, with many nuances and semitones that can convey various subtle moods and shades of feelings in terms of the situation, mood and attitude towards the interlocutor. He always decides for himself how and in relation to whom to do it. He always controls in what tone he pronounces something, can quickly change from one manner of pronunciation to another without visible effort and long training, very accurately select the tone of pronunciation for the desired "point" effect on the interlocutor. The ethicist is able to change frequently, quickly and smoothly, almost imperceptibly from one manner of speaking to another. Logicians almost completely lack this ability.
    Intensity of the change in emotions:
    The number of transitions from one emotion to another in a given period of time. The number of different emotions displayed in a given period of time. For logicians, this indicator is fairly constant and low. Let's say for an hour 1 smile, 1 boring and 1 concentrated expression, each extended in time. It is common for them to "stick" in a certain emotion for a long time, to "forget" it on their face. He smiled and holds a smile that has long ceased to correspond to the situation. Everyone laughed long ago and forgot the anecdote, but he still smiles, and even himself forgot what he was smiling at. And vice versa, it is already necessary to smile, but he still cannot decide whether to smile already or still seem serious. In the photo, this manifests itself as the same emotions in different photos and in different situations (a smile on duty or seriousness in most photos). Among ethicists, this indicator varies in a fairly wide range. An ethicist can deliberately "slow down" his smile, and then quickly remove it if the need has disappeared. Or immediately return it quickly if you need it again. In this case, the logician simply will not have time to change emotions, or it will turn out tensely for him. He often prefers to still smile in all these situations, although not in the subject, but "just in case." This not only concerns smiles, but any emotion (anger, sadness, fear, aggression, etc.) In general, ethics change emotional states more often and more freely. It is not difficult to determine this indicator, you just need to take a certain period of time and count the number of changes in a person's emotions and compare it with the average for logic and ethics.
    Emotional width:
    How different is one emotional state from another immediately following it. Logic is very difficult to immediately take and dramatically rebuild from one emotion to another very different from the first, even if the need for this is obvious to him. He has a very high inertia of emotions. Ethic is much more flexible about changes. It is much easier for him to smile and immediately depict sadness or even apathy, if necessary. And it comes out more naturally for him. If we depict the emotional tone in the form of a sine wave, then, the logic curve will have a lower vibrational frequency, and ethics will have a larger one. The amplitude of oscillation for the logician will be less, and for the ethicist, it will be more sweeping.
    Controllability of emotions:
    Emotions must be controlled, i.e. well controlled by the person himself - the carrier of the type. He must control them at will: decide whether to show his mood or attitude towards something (someone) or not, depending on the situation. This means adequacy, the correspondence of emotions to the situation in which a person is: where it is permissible to laugh, the ethicist will laugh exactly as much as necessary or sympathize, if required, again in moderation. And this, too, should be clearly visible, he will show as many emotions as is permissible, no more and no less, if he is an ethic. And if you suddenly made a mistake, then he will very (!) quickly correct himself and pick up the "necessary" or "correct" emotion. Ethics in this way can be distinguished from logic, who has the opposite: his emotions are weak, and he can hardly manage/control them. And often the emotions of logic are inadequate, not corresponding to the situation: he can, out of habit, smile where he should not or be rude to a good person. At the same time, it also takes a long time to rebuild.
    Most people tend to smile when communicating, so by the nature of the smile, you can easily distinguish between logicians and ethics. A smile ethic depends entirely on the situation and the current mood. It is always different, and it can be warm, soft or slightly sad, but always fresh and new. The smile of a logic in the overwhelming majority of cases does not depend on the situation, it is, as it were, one for all times. It seems that logicians have a limited standard set of smiles for every occasion. The ethicist smiles or is sad, confidently experiencing and expressing his feelings. The smile of logicians is usually uncertain. In addition, logicians are characterized by a "forgotten smile", reflecting the obvious discrepancy between the facial expressions of the current situation. This happens when a person forces himself to smile for a long time, sincerely not wanting this, which is very typical for logicians, and then he cannot turn off this effort and continues to smile automatically, when the need for a smile has already disappeared.
    Rationality & Irrationality

    Extroversion & Introversion

    It is known that lively facial expressions indicate mild excitability from external stimuli and a quick change in experiences, while the monotony of facial expressions indicates the constancy of mental processes, weak impulsivity. In general, this correlates quite well with the socionic dichotomy "introversion - extraversion". But, again, the perception of the activity of facial expressions is quite subjective - some people think that facial expressions are active, some do not. In general, the facial expressions of the extrovert are brighter, and the muscles of the face as a whole make more active movements than those of the introvert.

    The sign of extraversion and introversion by facial expressions can be determined by a more frequent objective criterion. The difference between extroverts and introverts in facial expressions is the degree of mobility of the middle part of the face. If you mentally draw one horizontal line at the level of the brow ridges, and another at the level of the upper edge of the upper lip, then the area between these lines will be the middle part of the face, which should be assessed when determining the extraversion-introversion dichotomy. In this area, from the upper lip to the brow ridges, the facial muscles of extroverts and introverts behave differently.

    Extroverts actively move the muscles in the middle part of the face, it seems to be "alive" in them and changes all the time. Introverts are constrained, pinched, "frozen" in the middle of the face, the muscles in it contract weakly.

    Listed above are notes from various typologist's and their anecdotal claims. Below are my personal observations which have affirmed, ignored, and developed on some of these theories.

    McCoy, DJ (toska).

    The following is a bit of a cheat sheet to a reliable and effective approach for determining type by observing the eyes/gaze or expression of any individual.

    Reference: Psych's V.I. Typing Gallery

    Notice with introverts how the energy of their gaze is retreating and shielding away. We could say that the introvert is too self-absorbed and full of information that must be protected/contained - little energy is consequently directed outward. The introvert closes off from the external world to avoid being overwhelmed while the extrovert appears open to receive, sending the invitation, and creating a connection/bridge for interaction. The extrovert is attentive to their surroundings, as a result, the gaze is more concentrated and focused. This is naturally why we might observe non-verbally that the extrovert is more welcoming and friendly than the introvert who is preoccupied and removed.

    The intuitive gaze is otherworldly and reaches into the ether, never entirely grasping onto anything; zoning out from their ivory tower (Ni) or bouncing around in la-la land (Ne). In contrast, the sensory gaze is earthly and grasps directly onto what is real and tangible; alert to the pressure and impact of shifting circumstances (Se) or self-assured with their bearings on a consistent impression (Si). As this implies, the intuitive gaze radiates and captures unspecified wholeness while the sensory gaze converges and comes together at a precise point.

    The feeling type has smoother features and a warmer disposition while the thinking type has sharper features and a cooler disposition. Eyes of the feeling type are welling up, appearing watery and affectual. Eyes of the logical type are drying out, appearing blank and indifferent. There's variety and rich creative expression with feeling types, they have more grace and delicacy to their smile. Logical types tend to have limited and cheap ready-made expressions, their smile is more coarse and discreet.

    Impressions for the gaze and expression of each dichotomy are relative and will vary beyond any description so it's more important to start typing people and assembling various images for yourself. It's a lot like addressing the symptoms of an underlying condition, what is seen from outside will reflect what is going on internally if it's being properly assessed. Differentiating between functions will happen naturally as you begin to combine these different impressions. Below is a rough list of descriptive terms which may help for those starting out and beginning to consider their own.

    In addition to considering gaze and expression, there are also patterns to consider observing mannerisms and posture. This can be worked on and changed but there’s always certain observable trends. Listed below are just a few of them.

    Work-in-progress, feel free to post any notes from other sources.
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