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    ESTp- we’re getting married right now
    ISTP- here baby I want you to have a phat house, a phat ride, and here’s a phat donut on top; I love you! If you stay you get phat everything
    ESTj-let’s get married and go home where I will never let you out again! Don’t worry I can work, put a roof over your and my baby’s head, shop at Costco and buy several warehouse supply of food ensuring you’ll never leave again
    ISTj- I have to think about this; once done there’s no going back and I mean it!!!! Don’t change our relationship! This is the way we are! *sips tea* or coffee
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    So what sorts of responses are they about to get?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoRandomBSGenerator View Post
    So what sorts of responses are they about to get?
    All of the responses are yes since ST are work horses
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    The smart ones get others to front for them. The seemingly more sensitive ones simply have thin skins.

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    what about NTs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingslayer View Post
    what about NTs?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingslayer View Post
    what about NTs?
    ILE: "Marriage? OK, whatever. We can try it out for a while."
    LII: "Based on my current situation I have decided to try out new lifestyle. In many cultures there exists a concept called marriage which has been in a flux. Thus after a rather long process I have found myself being a hetero normative person and therefore propose a marriage with you. As per current situation it seems like everything is OK for both of us and there exits no external barriers between us. According to my predictive calculations you have said "yes" few milliseconds ago."
    ILI: "I'm a rather perverted human being thus I'm going to chain you for life... If that is OK with you..? We can change roles."
    LIE: "I'm a man and you are woman. You are 7/10 as a person and that lies within my upper range. Let's marry right now because time is money."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoRandomBSGenerator View Post
    ILE: "Marriage? OK, whatever. We can try it out for a while."
    LII: "Based on my current situation I have decided to try out new lifestyle. In many cultures there exists a concept called marriage which has been in a flux. Thus after a rather long process I have found myself being a hetero normative person and therefore propose a marriage with you. As per current situation it seems like everything is OK for both of us and there exits no external barriers between us. According to my predictive calculations you have said "yes" few milliseconds ago."
    ILI: "I'm a rather perverted human being thus I'm going to chain you for life... If that is OK with you..? We can change roles."
    LIE: "I'm a man and you are woman. You are 7/10 as a person and that lies within my upper range. Let's marry right now because time is money."
    This sounds about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoRandomBSGenerator View Post
    LII: "Based on my current situation I have decided to try out new lifestyle. In many cultures there exists a concept called marriage which has been in a flux. Thus after a rather long process I have found myself being a hetero normative person and therefore propose a marriage with you. As per current situation it seems like everything is OK for both of us and there exits no external barriers between us. According to my predictive calculations you have said "yes" few milliseconds ago."
    good to see that romance isn't dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoRandomBSGenerator View Post
    ILE: "Marriage? OK, whatever. We can try it out for a while."
    LII: "Based on my current situation I have decided to try out new lifestyle. In many cultures there exists a concept called marriage which has been in a flux. Thus after a rather long process I have found myself being a hetero normative person and therefore propose a marriage with you. As per current situation it seems like everything is OK for both of us and there exits no external barriers between us. According to my predictive calculations you have said "yes" few milliseconds ago."
    ILI: "I'm a rather perverted human being thus I'm going to chain you for life... If that is OK with you..? We can change roles."
    LIE: "I'm a man and you are woman. You are 7/10 as a person and that lies within my upper range. Let's marry right now because time is money."
    Ah. It seems that my duals really value marriage! What a lucky women I am…

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Ah. It seems that my duals really value marriage! What a lucky women I am…
    You're gonna have to have a very convincing argument if you want to get anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    You're gonna have to have a very convincing argument if you want to get anywhere.
    Men typically tend to live longer, get more promotions, and are typically happier then single men. As a dual, I basically have that sweet sweet Si and Fe that you guys refuse to admit that you are a slave to. If you enjoyed my stew, imagine going home to a steak dinner basted in butter with a pretty wife to show off when you wish. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. But hey I should be asking my duals why I should marry them as SEI are the superior ones in this duality

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Ah. It seems that my duals really value marriage! What a lucky women I am…
    It is a stamp you can collect from the state. My SEE sister is ready to marry when the hell freezes over. So dunno about that. I'm at least ambivalent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    ESTp- we’re getting married right now
    This is basically how I proposed.
    The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.

    The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".

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    Hard to say because I never really pursued anyone except a probable ILI. I have always let people come to me. So my wife is the one who pursued me. She claims I was hard to get but I was not trying to be hard to get. Anyway, she seduced me via food and we just started hanging out until we became a couple and the rest just kind of happened. She didn't have a car then so I would provide transportation and I paid most of the bills for the first couple of years. Now it's the other way around since I am not making much money compared to her but I am hoping to get a better income within this or the next year. Nonetheless, I have always been the one with money saved so, push comes to shove, I have the funds for an emergency. But I usually compensate by providing money and acquiring resources. Not having as much money as I used to sucks but it keeps me humble, I guess.

    edit: Oh, and apparently I am good at spotting scams for her since she gets targeted fairly often.
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    I know this is why I'm attracted to them:
    "Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn a life around."

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    Also not to completely derail the thread. ST’s tend to really over compensate for weak Fi with either money or acts of service in come way. Almost all the delta ST’s that I know tend to give money the most to me for gifts in some way. Beta ST’s tend to do services or give experiences in a safe environment. Aka actions of security and physical romantic actions seem to compensate for talking about Fi feelings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    ST’s tend to really over compensate for weak Fi with either money or acts of service in come way. Almost all the delta ST’s that I know tend to give money the most to me for gifts in some way.
    I've always thought of this behaviour as a bit paternalistic and condescending. Like what makes them think I need money or a gift? Just say you like me goddammit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Also not to completely derail the thread. ST’s tend to really over compensate for weak Fi with either money or acts of service in come way. Almost all the delta ST’s that I know tend to give money the most to me for gifts in some way. Beta ST’s tend to do services or give experiences in a safe environment. Aka actions of security and physical romantic actions seem to compensate for talking about Fi feelings.

    I don't think this derails the thread at all. My dad and I get along horribly but we have a very distant by friendly relationship right now.

    He is an SLE. He doesn't get along with any of my siblings. There's a whole lot of stuff that isn't relevant, but to make it short he hasn't been the best dad to us in the past.

    His way of showing love is offering to help us with stuff, like helping out with my or my brothers house. Letting us borrow things. That stuff.

    Another thing is that STs do is they will start to assume a protector role over people they deem to be their people.

    Some drunk driver hit me and then threw a beer bottle at my car one night when I was driving. When my dad found out he took me along to find the guy to attack him I guess, he needed me to pick him out for him.
    The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.

    The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".

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    @chriscorey, I’ve long wondered what it is my Duals see in me. I’m pretty smart and fairly intuitive, but I can’t quite figure it out.

    Am I someone they don’t have to change for? Am I a ticket out of their crappy lives? Am I someone they can joke with and be understood? Am I a convenient bed-partner? Am I someone they can complain to who won’t think they are wrong wrong wrong?

    I really have no idea. I don’t pretend to understand them, but I’m glad that we usually get along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    @chriscorey, I’ve long wondered what it is my Duals see in me. I’m pretty smart and fairly intuitive, but I can’t quite figure it out.

    Am I someone they don’t have to change for? Am I a ticket out of their crappy lives? Am I someone they can joke with and be understood? Am I a convenient bed-partner? Am I someone they can complain to who won’t think they are wrong wrong wrong?

    I really have no idea. I don’t pretend to understand them, but I’m glad that we usually get along.
    I really do hope you find her. With all my heart
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    At least delta NF women love acts of practical service, fix their car, appliances, electronics and other thing, build furniture, cook food but most of all engage in their home and garden improvement projects, from the planning stage especially to carrying out them. They love discussing the Te (best way to repair that wall or dig up the garden) and Si (what color do you think we should pick for this wall and do these curtains fit well?) of practical home related things. EII expect you to tell them straight out what is best and do it (Te DS wants the super 4D Te), IEE want to have a discussion where they are a promising gifted apprentice of sorts (Te HA vs milder creative Te).

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    I was a tom boy. I was also very pretty. In fourth grade all the girls hated me and all the boys had a crush. The lunch line was the worst part of the day. I started skipping lunch and not eating. Then I ask my mother if I could bring an orange in a brown bag to school.

    Then it happened. The teacher said "empty your lunch on your desk. I complied. A single orange rolled across my desk. She said "you better not let me see you out of that lunch line."

    As I stood in the line class bully Angie said "what are you looking at?" I said "my shoes" She broke from the line and pointed at me and said: "she has a staring problem" All the kids laughed.
    the nextday
    When I got home that day my phone kept ringing and my father answered. "No you can't talk to my daughter" The next day. The boys in class were snickering. I ignore them.

    The next day the boys were in a huddle mocking my unseen ignorance. I ignored them. Then they started asking me if I'b be their partner. I declined and walked away.

    I never went to one single high school party. .

    One day my imaginary friend talks to me.

    My dad had them cut all my hair off like boy. I was not expectation my mom's mirror. Everyone thought Iwas a boy who went to the school for the rest of the month, at least.b
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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscorey View Post
    I was a tom boy. I was also very pretty. In fourth grade all the girls hated me and all the boys had a crush. The lunch line was the worst part of the day. I started skipping lunch and not eating. Then I ask my mother if I could bring an orange in a brown bag to school.

    Then it happened. The teacher said "empty your lunch on your desk. I complied. A single orange rolled across my desk. She said "you better not let me see you out of that lunch line."

    As I stood in the line class bully Angie said "what are you looking at?" I said "my shoes" She broke from the line and pointed at me and said: "she has a staring problem" All the kids laughed.
    the nextday
    When I got home that day my phone kept ringing and my father answered. "No you can't talk to my daughter" The next day. The boys in class were snickering. I ignore them.

    The next day the boys were in a huddle mocking my unseen ignorance. I ignored them. Then they started asking me if I'b be their partner. I declined and walked away.

    I never went to one single high school party. .

    One day my imaginary friend talks to me.

    My dad had them cut all my hair off like boy. I was not expectation my mom's mirror. Everyone thought Iwas a boy who went to the school for the rest of the month, at least.b
    *gives you a big hug*

    Ill be around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscorey View Post
    I was a tom boy. I was also very pretty. In fourth grade all the girls hated me and all the boys had a crush. The lunch line was the worst part of the day. I started skipping lunch and not eating. Then I ask my mother if I could bring an orange in a brown bag to school.
    Man that sucks, children can really be some little brats.

    I remember being in 4rth grade and the class bully was a girl and she had a crush on me. Since she couldn't admit that she liked me, she'd pretend that she hated me. She'd say "I hate you so much!" and try to slap me, but she wouldn't put any strength into it and it was just an excuse to touch me. She started a lot of rumors, like that I'm an evil nazi and would turn her friends against me. I didn't let myself be pushed around and with my friends we'd start harassing the girls too. They would attack us and rip off our clothes, I remember once one of my friends returned from the lunch break without pants. It all ended when some of my friends wouldn't want to come to class anymore because they had nightmares of her. Parents and teachers had to step in. In retrospect she might be an ST type, mb SLE? lol crazy STs

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    I overemphasize my Fe. I demanded emotional expression and I am often loud and expressive with my charisma, enthusiasm, charm, and loudness. This is way for me to deal with Fi shit (subjective moral judgment and psychological distance).

    In a close relationship, emotional expression and open communication is needed for me to deal with my problem with Fi.
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