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    ESTp- we’re getting married right now
    ISTP- here baby I want you to have a phat house, a phat ride, and here’s a phat donut on top; I love you! If you stay you get phat everything
    ESTj-let’s get married and go home where I will never let you out again! Don’t worry I can work, put a roof over your and my baby’s head, shop at Costco and buy several warehouse supply of food ensuring you’ll never leave again
    ISTj- I have to think about this; once done there’s no going back and I mean it!!!! Don’t change our relationship! This is the way we are! *sips tea* or coffee
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    So what sorts of responses are they about to get?
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    The smart ones get others to front for them. The seemingly more sensitive ones simply have thin skins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoRandomBSGenerator View Post
    So what sorts of responses are they about to get?
    All of the responses are yes since ST are work horses
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    what about NTs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingslayer View Post
    what about NTs?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beautiful sky View Post
    ESTp- we’re getting married right now
    This is basically how I proposed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingslayer View Post
    what about NTs?
    ILE: "Marriage? OK, whatever. We can try it out for a while."
    LII: "Based on my current situation I have decided to try out new lifestyle. In many cultures there exists a concept called marriage which has been in a flux. Thus after a rather long process I have found myself being a hetero normative person and therefore propose a marriage with you. As per current situation it seems like everything is OK for both of us and there exits no external barriers between us. According to my predictive calculations you have said "yes" few milliseconds ago."
    ILI: "I'm a rather perverted human being thus I'm going to chain you for life... If that is OK with you..? We can change roles."
    LIE: "I'm a man and you are woman. You are 7/10 as a person and that lies within my upper range. Let's marry right now because time is money."
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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoRandomBSGenerator View Post
    ILE: "Marriage? OK, whatever. We can try it out for a while."
    LII: "Based on my current situation I have decided to try out new lifestyle. In many cultures there exists a concept called marriage which has been in a flux. Thus after a rather long process I have found myself being a hetero normative person and therefore propose a marriage with you. As per current situation it seems like everything is OK for both of us and there exits no external barriers between us. According to my predictive calculations you have said "yes" few milliseconds ago."
    ILI: "I'm a rather perverted human being thus I'm going to chain you for life... If that is OK with you..? We can change roles."
    LIE: "I'm a man and you are woman. You are 7/10 as a person and that lies within my upper range. Let's marry right now because time is money."
    This sounds about right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoRandomBSGenerator View Post
    LII: "Based on my current situation I have decided to try out new lifestyle. In many cultures there exists a concept called marriage which has been in a flux. Thus after a rather long process I have found myself being a hetero normative person and therefore propose a marriage with you. As per current situation it seems like everything is OK for both of us and there exits no external barriers between us. According to my predictive calculations you have said "yes" few milliseconds ago."
    good to see that romance isn't dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoRandomBSGenerator View Post
    ILE: "Marriage? OK, whatever. We can try it out for a while."
    LII: "Based on my current situation I have decided to try out new lifestyle. In many cultures there exists a concept called marriage which has been in a flux. Thus after a rather long process I have found myself being a hetero normative person and therefore propose a marriage with you. As per current situation it seems like everything is OK for both of us and there exits no external barriers between us. According to my predictive calculations you have said "yes" few milliseconds ago."
    ILI: "I'm a rather perverted human being thus I'm going to chain you for life... If that is OK with you..? We can change roles."
    LIE: "I'm a man and you are woman. You are 7/10 as a person and that lies within my upper range. Let's marry right now because time is money."
    Ah. It seems that my duals really value marriage! What a lucky women I am…

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Ah. It seems that my duals really value marriage! What a lucky women I am…
    You're gonna have to have a very convincing argument if you want to get anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    You're gonna have to have a very convincing argument if you want to get anywhere.
    Men typically tend to live longer, get more promotions, and are typically happier then single men. As a dual, I basically have that sweet sweet Si and Fe that you guys refuse to admit that you are a slave to. If you enjoyed my stew, imagine going home to a steak dinner basted in butter with a pretty wife to show off when you wish. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. But hey I should be asking my duals why I should marry them as SEI are the superior ones in this duality

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Men typically tend to live longer, get more promotions, and are typically happier then single men. As a dual, I basically have that sweet sweet Si and Fe that you guys refuse to admit that you are a slave to. If you enjoyed my stew, imagine going home to a steak dinner basted in butter with a pretty wife to show off when you wish. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. But hey I should be asking my duals why I should marry them as SEI are the superior ones in this duality

    This is true.

    ILEs don't care about living longer, getting promotions, or being happy. They just want to goof off and play with their friends.
    So the real reason that ILEs should marry SEIs is that the SEIs will take care of the house and any kids (including the ILE), which means that the ILE has more time to play with his custom-built compiler or his 3D printers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Men typically tend to live longer, get more promotions, and are typically happier then single men. As a dual, I basically have that sweet sweet Si and Fe that you guys refuse to admit that you are a slave to. If you enjoyed my stew, imagine going home to a steak dinner basted in butter with a pretty wife to show off when you wish. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. But hey I should be asking my duals why I should marry them as SEI are the superior ones in this duality
    "This marriage isn't about love, it's about food, and you're cheaper than hiring a personal cook."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    "This marriage isn't about love, it's about food, and you're cheaper than hiring a personal cook."
    You went pretty crazy for my stew, so tell me food ain’t apart of it?

    Having a wife raises your social standing and is a good security blanket. If you want children it is a good idea too. SEI‘s are typically funny and well liked which can and will open doors for more possibilities in the future and will get you well liked. Most can dress you well and make your living space comfortable and make sure you mess up less. Aka make sure you don’t loose a hand or forget you appointment. Also, they tend to be loving and accepting individuals. Plus, I’ve been told I’m pretty funny and I send good memes. What do ILEs bring to the table, entertainment and some money possibly? That ain’t enough for a ring and love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    You went pretty crazy for my stew, so tell me food ain’t apart of it?

    Having a wife raises your social standing and is a good security blanket. If you want children it is a good idea too. SEI‘s are typically funny and well liked which can and will open doors for more possibilities in the future and will get you well liked. Most can dress you well and make your living space comfortable and make sure you mess up less. Aka make sure you don’t loose a hand or forget you appointment. Also, they tend to be loving and accepting individuals. Plus, I’ve been told I’m pretty funny and I send good memes. What do ILEs bring to the table, entertainment and some money possibly? That ain’t enough for a ring and love.
    Well people have and adopt children for some reason, so whatever justification people have for that is the justification someone would have for marrying and ILE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    Well people have and adopt children for some reason, so whatever justification people have for that is the justification someone would have for marrying and ILE.
    Well, last resort is tying an ILE to a bed and force feeding him oranges until he loves me and gives me a ring but that isn’t much of my style. Though I have heard that some ILE like those extreme measures. Meh, either way I got LII’s, SLI’s and SLE’s knocking at my door if I ever need to but duality would have been nice~

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Well, last resort is tying an ILE to a bed and force feeding him oranges until he loves me and gives me a ring but that isn’t much of my style. Though I have heard that some ILE like those extreme measures. Meh, either way I got LII’s, SLI’s and SLE’s knocking at my door if I ever need to but duality would have been nice~
    I mean personally I'd rather have something better than just oranges, a bit too simple and gets old easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    I mean personally I'd rather have something better than just oranges, a bit too simple and gets old easy.
    Oh so it’s not about food but you’re getting picky now huh? What does his highness want to be fed while tied to the freaking bed he?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Well, last resort is tying an ILE to a bed and force feeding him oranges
    I've never heard that "force feeding him oranges" has much of a guaranteed effect, but they make a machine which has one electrode around the base of the penis and the other electrode goes up his ass and the machine increases the voltage and the frequency until


    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    until he loves me and gives me a ring but that isn’t much of my style. Though I have heard that some ILE like those extreme measures. Meh, either way I got LII’s, SLI’s and SLE’s knocking at my door if I ever need to but duality would have been nice~

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Oh so it’s not about food but you’re getting picky now huh? What does his highness want to be fed while tied to the freaking bed he?
    Filet mignon sounds nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    Filet mignon sounds nice
    Who is going to be paying for the fillet mignon cause it ain’t going to be me

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Who is going to be paying for the fillet mignon cause it ain’t going to be me
    Fine, but you better make every dollar i spend worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    Fine, but you better make every dollar i spend worth it.
    Yes! I’ll have it basted in butter, thyme, and garlic and cooked to perfection. It will be worth it! If you throw in more money I’ll make sure to get you some nice silk ties for the bed and a premium pillow too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Yes! I’ll have it basted in butter, thyme, and garlic and cooked to perfection. It will be worth it! If you throw in more money I’ll make sure to get you some nice silk ties for the bed and a premium pillow too.
    This is the second time we've had a conversation like this.

    At no point reading ILE-SEI dual descriptions did they talk about this.

    What even are these? Absurdist? Tangents? God forbid roleplay?

    Though I will say, I've only other person I've had conversations like this with is also an SEI-Fe, if that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    This is the second time we've had a conversation like this.

    At no point reading ILE-SEI dual descriptions did they talk about this.

    What even are these? Absurdist? Tangents? God forbid roleplay?

    Though I will say, I've only other person I've had conversations like this with is also an SEI-Fe, if that helps.

    In my experience, SEIs are good-looking, sexy, bright, cheerful, friendly and forward. They dress well and take good care of the people whom they care about.

    ILEs, on the other hand, are often smart but look like something the cat dragged in and dropped on the floor. They are self-absorbed and selfish and opinionated and are usually extremely cheap. Their one redeeming grace is that they are usually liberals.

    How this Duality propagates is a mystery to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    How this Duality propagates is a mystery to me.
    Pity and someone they hope they can shove through a job interview so that they don't have to worry about making money themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    This is the second time we've had a conversation like this.

    At no point reading ILE-SEI dual descriptions did they talk about this.

    What even are these? Absurdist? Tangents? God forbid roleplay?

    Though I will say, I've only other person I've had conversations like this with is also an SEI-Fe, if that helps.
    What do you hate them? I find them fun! It’s how I joke. ILE-Ti’s tend to respond to me the best like this too.

    Why god forbid roleplay? Goodness you’re no funnnn

    From my experience ILE and SEI are both big children who like to poke each other and have fun in a childish way. It can be the most stupid thing in the world but if both find it funny, they both don’t care and will run with it. It’s both very innocent and genuine from both ends. ILE’s have been the only ones that seem to enjoy it as much as I do. We’re not as serious a lot of people think, we just need someone we can comfortable let loose with is all and I think ILE just want Someone they feel safe being a big kid too without pressure and feel comfortable with the person. I like to think that is the magic of the ILE-SEI duality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    We’re not as serious a lot of people think,
    I'm not??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    I'm not??
    Lol I meant SEI, I think people can view us as being a bit serious at times. I’ve been told I take things too seriously despite my joking on this forum. I dated an ILE who I thought was much more serious until I started cracking jokes and being affectionate. The more I did it, the better he responded and in full force too which I didn’t expect.

    Point is, ILE can seem very serious but once you poke at their child-ish side they are the biggest teddy bears IMO. I like both the serious and fun sides personally. Just I don’t always expect it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Lol I meant SEI, I think people can view us as being a bit serious at times. I’ve been told I take things too seriously despite my joking on this forum. I dated an ILE who I thought was much more serious until I started cracking jokes and being affectionate. The more I did it, the better he responded and in full force too which I didn’t expect.

    Point is, ILE can seem very serious but once you poke at their child-ish side they are the biggest teddy bears IMO. I like both the serious and fun sides personally. Just I don’t always expect it.
    wait no i thought i was serious, err, ummm,

    I am serious, that it what I meant to imply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    wait no i thought i was serious, err, ummm,

    I am serious, that it what I meant to imply.
    Yes, your as serious as your avatar

    ILE are serious but they do like to have fun but you can always sense they have that serious mindset underneath and that can be quite business like at times.

    Edit: but they don’t want to let that serious over taken per say. Serious idealistic is better to describe I think. But I also think they are still soft and squishy

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    Ah. It seems that my duals really value marriage! What a lucky women I am…
    It is a stamp you can collect from the state. My SEE sister is ready to marry when the hell freezes over. So dunno about that. I'm at least ambivalent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    "This marriage isn't about love, it's about food, and you're cheaper than hiring a personal cook."
    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Men typically tend to live longer, get more promotions, and are typically happier then single men. As a dual, I basically have that sweet sweet Si and Fe that you guys refuse to admit that you are a slave to. If you enjoyed my stew, imagine going home to a steak dinner basted in butter with a pretty wife to show off when you wish. That’s just the tip of the iceberg. But hey I should be asking my duals why I should marry them as SEI are the superior ones in this duality

    You two sound like a married couple.
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    Hard to say because I never really pursued anyone except a probable ILI. I have always let people come to me. So my wife is the one who pursued me. She claims I was hard to get but I was not trying to be hard to get. Anyway, she seduced me via food and we just started hanging out until we became a couple and the rest just kind of happened. She didn't have a car then so I would provide transportation and I paid most of the bills for the first couple of years. Now it's the other way around since I am not making much money compared to her but I am hoping to get a better income within this or the next year. Nonetheless, I have always been the one with money saved so, push comes to shove, I have the funds for an emergency. But I usually compensate by providing money and acquiring resources. Not having as much money as I used to sucks but it keeps me humble, I guess.

    edit: Oh, and apparently I am good at spotting scams for her since she gets targeted fairly often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    What do ILEs bring to the table, entertainment and some money possibly? That ain’t enough for a ring and love.
    I didn't pay much attention to the bantering that comes before and after but seems like this is a joke. But anyway as an ILE apologist I'd say they're not the type to bring money but they always have great ideas and they solve problems in the best ways possible. Also knows a lot about many things. In a team they're so useful tbh though like me they are terrible in following rules and always joke a lot in unnecessary situations. For example boss said put up a profile pic of ourselves for the chats, ILE coworker used a meme pic. Smart and weirdly likeable. Maybe that's how they might be able to bring in the money? Idk. When I think of SEI-ILE I don't immediately think rich.
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    Quote Originally Posted by one View Post
    I didn't pay much attention to the bantering that comes before and after but seems like this is a joke. But anyway as an ILE apologist I'd say they're not the type to bring money but they always have great ideas and they solve problems in the best ways possible. Also knows a lot about many things. In a team they're so useful tbh though like me they are terrible in following rules and always joke a lot in unnecessary situations. For example boss said put up a profile pic of ourselves for the chats, ILE coworker used a meme pic. Smart and weirdly likeable. Maybe that's how they might be able to bring in the money? Idk. When I think of SEI-ILE I don't immediately think rich.
    It can turn out to be so that only an opportunity for seeking new things is enough to keep them in life. There's a video by Jordan Peterson who described this sort of personality having very hard time at having steady employment. Sure, they come in and solve the problems and then their internship is over... and people notice that they can not handle steady life and tell the person to try something where they skills are appreciated and the cycle continues. Kind of what I have done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoRandomBSGenerator View Post
    It can turn out to be so that only an opportunity for seeking new things is enough to keep them in life. There's a video by Jordan Peterson who described this sort of personality having very hard time at having steady employment. Sure, they come in and solve the problems and then their internship is over... and people notice that they can not handle steady life and tell the person to try something where they skills are appreciated and the cycle continues. Kind of what I have done.
    Holy moly that sounds like a condition I might have. Trying to have a stable life is like having to fight my impulses constantly.

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