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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
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    I am in my head; not society.

    Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am.​ Also, a brain angel. (But Zelda's incarnate too).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    My ESI mom is ISFJ in MBTI. She's a clean freak helicopter parent. However, she's a 9w8 in Enneagram.
    I think an ESI identifying as 8 is far more likely to be a sexual 6 or a sexual 9w8. ISFJ in MBTI is a no for matching with 8 core. INTJ is the only introvert aside from ISTP that I believe can fit 8, and it always will be 8w9, never w7.
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    A 9w8 also makes more sense for initially identifying with SEI.

    However, most ESI who feel 8, in reality, are sexual 6's.
    https://www.typologycentral.com/wiki/index.php/Enneagram_6_The_Loyalist

    Sexual/Self-pres

    The sexual/self-pres Six is more concerned with strength, beauty and merging. With this stacking, the counterphobic energy is directed more toward individuals than towards ideas and concepts. It’s more about controlling the people closest to them. Paranoia arises when the Six feels abandoned by intimates. In the sexual/self-pres Six, doubt and anxiety is relieved by the knowledge that one’s intimates really are trustworthy. These Sixes are always testing their mates for loyalty. The sexual Six is counterphobic in terms of needing to prove their desirability and strength.
    This type is identified with their respective gender roles for security. They can be competitive and appear Eight-like. Male Sixes are likely to show strength as a form of counterphobia. Female Sixes are likely to emphasize their looks in order to be attractive. Security comes from knowing they are desirable. They can be very possessive of their mates. This can turn to extreme jealousy. On the down side, paranoia about the relationship can set in. The sexual/self-pres Six can appear Three-like, because of their need for validation and competitiveness.
    On the high side, this subtype can be the most fiercely loyal to their friendships and to those loved ones who have gained their trust. The intensity of the sexual instinct brings with it a passion that is unwavering for the love and protection of their loved ones. The nature of the Six to “go towards,” combined with the merging of the sexual instinct, can sometimes create an idealization of others, the ones that have passed the test of the Six. On the down side, the fear of losing the close relationship can cause this subtype to desperately lash out counterphobicaly.
    Sexual/Social

    The counterphobic stance of the sexual Six can be seen in competition for attracting the right mate, and in testing to see who is worthy of trust. This is true of both sexual subtypes and especially true of the sexual/social. This type is likely to be found quite commonly among actresses and actors as they tend towards a dramatic presentation. Their need to be identified with their desirability and their strong social instinct, combine to sometimes make them public figures. They are less possessive of their mates, but still feel the need to have control in the relationship. They can have a very focused intensity. They can appear Four-like in their desire to express themselves and give into their passions. They define themselves in accordance with the prevailing gender norms opting to appear masculine or feminine as the case may be. This outward energy is sometimes counterbalanced with inward doubting, which can lead to depression, anger, and acting out, at the lower levels of health.
    Anxiety isn’t as noticeable with the sexual variant of type Six, especially when the self-pres instinct is last. The typical things we associate with anxiety aren’t obvious with this subtype. Their anxiety is focused in the arena of relationships, and since their stance is mostly counterphobic, anxiety is not always obvious, and the Six too might be unaware of its presence. This can be true of all the subtypes of type Six. Their anxiety exists at a core level so that Sixes don’t always know how to gauge its existence. So, even the more visibly anxious subtypes might not be aware of their underlying anxiety. The sexual/social can appear Eight-like, in their defense of their loved ones and social standing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Unless you can find another SEI who can plead you case above the high alpha court.
    @Poptart time to leave the Gamma gang pls turn yourself to a SEI and help me, I'll give you this if you do: https://www.amazon.com/Painting-Bob-.../dp/1633226522
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    Anyway won't DCNH affect the perceived J/P even just a bit. Also I know this is all jokes but I always associate cooking with ESEs more
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    Oh shit just realized my bf is alpha NT

    Do I just pretend he was gamma NT all along

    How do I recover from this

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    Quote Originally Posted by one View Post
    @Poptart time to leave the Gamma gang pls turn yourself to a SEI and help me, I'll give you this if you do: https://www.amazon.com/Painting-Bob-.../dp/1633226522
    Its a deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Braingel View Post
    You also seem more serious than would expect of an SEI. LIE dualizing with you can be more feasible than ILE. You sort of seem too stern and strict for an ILE, and almost as if you would criticize and ridicule their approach.
    @Braingel As much as I would like to be ESI, deep down I know that Iím SEI. My mom is gamma (ILI) though, and I wonder if that had an influence on my personality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    Oh shit just realized my bf is alpha NT

    Do I just pretend he was gamma NT all along

    How do I recover from this
    Just enjoy the cruise through superego limbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    .............Fine. But dont come running to me when you are captured by the Alpha Army! You abandoned us and are therefore a heretic now!
    @myresearch don't you dare think about jumping ship next!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    As you guys know, thereís no J/P switch from MBTI to Socionics.

    Iím ISFJ in MBTI, and therefore ESI in Socionics.

    It makes sense if you think about it because
    - MBTI Si translates to Socionics Se/Te
    - Strong Fi
    - MBTI Ti is really Socionics Ni
    - Weak Ne
    There is no reason to type yourself in mbti at all. Just use Socionics. It's not more difficult than mbti. The only reason people think it's difficult is because you actually have to get your typd right.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
    (Jung on Si)

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    You probably just are saying for sake, but I think that poptart was doing it as a joke/thought experiment, Tallmo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    There is no reason to type yourself in mbti at all. Just use Socionics. It's not more difficult than mbti. The only reason people think it's difficult is because you actually have to get your typd right.
    Idk I think there’s plenty of room to get your type “wrong” in socionics. People frequently disagree on how to type people on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWellArmedCat View Post
    MissDucki grows more armed and aggressive by the day. Other quadrants beware
    This is war son! I must be taken seriously! You must be ruthless in the art of war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    This is war son! I must be taken seriously! You must be ruthless in the art of war.
    I see we’re operating under the principle of MAD (Mutually Assured Ducklings), but it seems the other quadras are woefully underequipped! Perhaps we should strike while we have the advantage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I see we’re operating under the principle of MAD (Mutually Assured Ducklings), but it seems the other quadras are woefully underequipped! Perhaps we should strike while we have the advantage?
    Patience! We must strike when the time is right and they least expect it! I ask you to wait a little longer, we can discuss battle in the next Alpha meeting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    Idk I think there’s plenty of room to get your type “wrong” in socionics. People frequently disagree on how to type people on here.

    yes, of course people mistype themselves in the beginning. But socionics knows all about how the functions affect relationships and how weak functions manifest. You have many points of reference to consider. There is not much room to imagine a type for yourself when you have to take into account all this information. It can take a long time for some people. But when you have done the work, your type is basically set in stone, because you know the basic phenomenon itself.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
    (Jung on Si)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    yes, of course people mistype themselves in the beginning. But socionics knows all about how the functions affect relationships and how weak functions manifest. You have many points of reference to consider. There is not much room to imagine a type for yourself when you have to take into account all this information. It can take a long time for some people. But when you have done the work, your type is basically set in stone, because you know the basic phenomenon itself.
    Knowing the phenomenon or understanding the model doesn’t make a person more objective about their type. People are generally bad at self evaluation. In fact, the more a person studies socionics, the easier it is for them to delude themselves into believing they’re a certain type because now they can justify all sorts of behavior with dichotomies, subtype systems, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    Knowing the phenomenon or understanding the model doesn’t make a person more objective about their type. People are generally bad at self evaluation. In fact, the more a person studies socionics, the easier it is for them to delude themselves into believing they’re a certain type because now they can justify all sorts of behavior with dichotomies, subtype systems, etc.
    Then Jung's typology is too difficult for that person. These things exist whether we are aware of them or not.

    Knowing the phenomenon or understanding the model doesn’t make a person more objective about their type.
    It can make them more objective. If you are able to double check things that's generally a good thing.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
    (Jung on Si)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    Then Jung's typology is too difficult for that person. These things exist whether we are aware of them or not.



    It can make them more objective. If you are able to double check things that's generally a good thing.
    My point is that there’s plenty of room for people to be wrong in socionics. People don’t always see themselves objectively. Even typing “experts” frequently disagree with each other, and all of them can’t be right.

    Honestly I think MBTI gets a few things correct that socionics misses, but that’s okay. I understand that this forum is for socionics, not MBTI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    @Braingel As much as I would like to be ESI, deep down I know that I’m SEI. My mom is gamma (ILI) though, and I wonder if that had an influence on my personality.
    Do you have fantasies of taking over the world while having no willpower to move your pinky toe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoRandomBSGenerator View Post
    Do you have fantasies of taking over the world while having no willpower to move your pinky toe?
    No

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    No
    Yeah, it can not be too bad.
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