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    As you guys know, thereís no J/P switch from MBTI to Socionics.

    Iím ISFJ in MBTI, and therefore ESI in Socionics.

    It makes sense if you think about it because
    - MBTI Si translates to Socionics Se/Te
    - Strong Fi
    - MBTI Ti is really Socionics Ni
    - Weak Ne

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    Nah. Whoever told you that is full of shit. Its not important what I say. Its your responsibility to find the truth rather than have others do it for you.

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    You shouldn't use MBTI to type yourself in socionics.

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    MBTI does not have clear and good definitions to the introverted functions. It incorrectly labeled the introverts the reverse of the extroverts as to justify their introverted YET rational nature. For instance ENFJ is Fe Ni and they made I-NFJ the flip NiFe still keeping the Fe as the “rational” yet “judging “ aspect which is WRONG since INFJ are really led with a rational function Fi. This flip and mistake and justification was made by an INFP with her weak logic
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    Hereís the article that Tim and I wrote together on this topic

    https://socionics-mbti.blogspot.com/...-mbti.html?m=1
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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    I feel supervised already

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    i was wondering if you were gamma, was also wondering about ILI...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImOutThere View Post
    You shouldn't use MBTI to type yourself in socionics.
    You can, if you grasp reality well.

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    Dont leave me @Poptart...DONT LEAVE MEEEEEEE

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    We are activity partners in either case, there is no escaping me, MUHAHAHA

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    Well I don’t relate that much to Socionics Si. I don’t even like cooking, and my favorite restaurant is Taco Bell.

    I am certain that I’m an ISFJ in MBTI. I have an excellent episodic memory and can easily memorize facts.

    ISFJ is a rational type in MBTI, so it makes sense that I’m a rational type in Socionics. Because “rationality” toootally means the same thing in both systems. #NoSwitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Dont leave me @Poptart...DONT LEAVE MEEEEEEE

    Iím sorry @MissDucki you will have to lead the Alpha Army without me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    I’m sorry @MissDucki you will have to lead the Alpha Army without me
    .............Fine. But dont come running to me when you are captured by the Alpha Army! You abandoned us and are therefore a heretic now!
    @myresearch don't you dare think about jumping ship next!

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    I’m also now identifying as an enneagram 8w9.

    Prepare to be dominated by my powerful Se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    As you guys know, there’s no J/P switch from MBTI to Socionics.

    I’m ISFJ in MBTI, and therefore ESI in Socionics.

    It makes sense if you think about it because
    - MBTI Si translates to Socionics Se/Te
    - Strong Fi
    - MBTI Ti is really Socionics Ni
    - Weak Ne
    We'll miss you

    Side note: This is also what made me throw away MBTI. I identified as ISFP there but I kept hearing that if I was ISFP I had to be ESI in socionics so I just got fed up
    Chronic "grass is always greener" syndrome




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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    Well I don’t relate that much to Socionics Si. I don’t even like cooking, and my favorite restaurant is Taco Bell.
    I also don't relate to dualizing with cookies. After reading ESE-LII dual articles, I decided to not hire any help in the future because articles suggest that I will fall in love with them.

    You noticed how we both use the word "relate", that is because we are both Fi valuing, everything make sense now.

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    My ESI mom is ISFJ in MBTI. She's a clean freak helicopter parent. However, she's a 9w8 in Enneagram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    my favorite restaurant is Taco Bell.
    Yup, that confirms it. We might still hire some religious whack job to pray for your dammed soul.. because that is what you need... to believe (Ni HA).
    MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim View Post
    My ESI mom is ISFJ in MBTI. She's a clean freak helicopter parent. However, she's a 9w8 in Enneagram.
    Bow down to your supervisor (me!)

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    If you want a help with your type, I recommend to place 10 min videointerview.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    Iím ISFJ in MBTI
    MBTI test and other methods are not perfect.
    So you may have other type too. Close types as ISFP have higher chance.

    > MBTI Si translates to Socionics Se/Te

    MBTI texts use Jung's core definitions for functions - it's basics which are trusted the most. Expanded descriptions there (and even at Jung) may have secondary distortions.
    Augustinavhichiute formally claimed to accept Jung's definitions, but also could make secondary distortions besides correct expansions of the theory.
    MBTI practice has no intensive usage of functions and mainly is accented on dichotomies.
    So - no. There is no direct translation of any functions between MBTI and Socionics. There are not perfect methods to decide what you have and partly incorrect secondary theory.

    > Strong Fi

    Fe types have it too. Valued function is lesser evident than a dichotomy; IR effects are best to understand it.

    > - MBTI Ti is really Socionics Ni

    no

    >- Weak Ne

    in any S type
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by PseudoRandomBSGenerator View Post
    Yup, that confirms it. We might still hire some religious whack job to pray for your dammed soul.. because that is what you need... to believe (Ni HA).
    I believe in nothing ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    I’m also now identifying as an enneagram 8w9.

    Prepare to be dominated by my powerful Se.

    Uh oh.

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    Taco Bell is great. I mean I don't value money that much, but I also don't value quality food, so cheap food is still a priority. And taco bell is amazing at what it does... if only they kept their spicy volcano menu.

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    Hmm, I never knew what type Poptart was, but seeing how blanketing in signature magic and perfection growth She is, maybe this fit should be swift and ensnaring for Her, giving the stadium color and imperishable threads of enchantment!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    As you guys know, there’s no J/P switch from MBTI to Socionics.

    I’m ISFJ in MBTI, and therefore ESI in Socionics.

    It makes sense if you think about it because
    - MBTI Si translates to Socionics Se/Te
    - Strong Fi
    - MBTI Ti is really Socionics Ni
    - Weak Ne

    Some say her Si is so strong that when she enters a room, the sheets iron themselves.

    Some say her shade of fingernail polish is a perfect foil for banknotes and the contrast between them has the power to cloud men's minds.

    All we know is she's called the Poptart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    I believe in nothing ok
    Talk to @Santa Claus or @God
    MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
    Winning is for losers

     

    Sincerely yours,
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Joker The Fool View Post
    if only they kept their spicy volcano menu.
    Finally someone else remembers

    Rip spicy volcano

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    I’m also now identifying as an enneagram 8w9.

    Prepare to be dominated by my powerful Se.
    so you became Darth Vader?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roger557 View Post
    so you became Darth Vader?
    Who?

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    Ok

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    You seem more EII maybe
    Last edited by Averroes; 08-03-2021 at 11:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    As you guys know, there’s no J/P switch from MBTI to Socionics.

    I’m ISFJ in MBTI, and therefore ESI in Socionics.

    It makes sense if you think about it because
    - MBTI Si translates to Socionics Se/Te
    - Strong Fi
    - MBTI Ti is really Socionics Ni
    - Weak Ne
    Oh cool. Hey do you want to start a Gamma army? The Alpha forces are recently getting bigger
    R

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    Quote Originally Posted by one View Post
    Oh cool. Hey do you want to start a Gamma army? The Alpha forces are recently getting bigger
    One you are officially been banned from the alpha army for conspiracy. Leave your bags and I will be collecting you red leotard in the morning. You have now lost out on alpha inventions and possible investing in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    One you are officially been banned from the alpha army for conspiracy. Leave your bags and I will be collecting you red leotard in the morning. You have now lost out on alpha inventions and possible investing in the future.
    No someone hacked my account general give me a chance to explain I'm ur dual I'm just an ILE looking for an SEI to save me

    Give me my leotard back :'( don't leave me naked
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    I haven't really seen you enough, but I can see how Se can be maybe.. Remembering a few of said things to me.

    One thing that I automatically realized as @beatifulsky had told you, is that the J/P switch for introverts must have do with fact the MBTI does not define J/P by the leading function for introverted types, thus switches..

    I personally am an MBTI INFP; Fi-Ne. But Socionics just defines the functions a bit differently, and the biggest things added to it are the other ordered functions, such as in an IEI, Fi still being 4th dimension, just as you would expect it being strong in an MBTI INFP.. Then you have Renin dichotomy. IEI being a result type, really, makes of it sort of Ne-like as in an INFP's Ne in Meyers.. So, it is unsurprising that I would be opposing functions to an INFP MBTI; Fi-Ne in Socionics with my Ni-Fe.

    Point being, it does not come at a surprise in why one can differently type.. I do not know if those charts I posted in random thought have anything a do with the switch, but those are pivotal.
    I am in my head; not society.

    Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am.​ Also, a brain angel. (But Zelda's incarnate too).


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    It almost is as if MBTI merely goes by an archetype.. INFP being a "P" because of the Ne making one more open to experiences and not being as firm in its getting of info, whereas INFJ's Ni is more stern and focused, a concise line of getting info.. But in reality, perceiving is a matter of getting in info, leading with it, whereas the J is making decisions.
    I am in my head; not society.

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    Whereas by letters, like in 16personalities, it obviously is not reliable since it has high changeability, but if it were to be accurate, P should translate over to functions like Ni, Ne and Se and Si, whereas J for Ti, Fe, Te and Fi. It still does not, given I know an LII who still by the 16P method types as INTP.. I hate 16personalities, and that is more flawed than is MBTI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by one View Post
    No someone hacked my account general give me a chance to explain I'm ur dual I'm just an ILE looking for an SEI to save me

    Give me my leotard back :'( don't leave me naked

    I will give you your red leotard back but that is the kindest I will be. One, I cannot deal with insubordination and cannot trust an alpha who will pull the duality card with me. It seems I won’t be the SEI who will hold you down. Unless you can find another SEI who can plead you case above the high alpha court. You are here by band. You may have your red leotard and I will not be that cruel but I will be taking the red head banned and all of you earning of your time in the Alpha army. I bid you a good day.

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    You also seem more serious than would expect of an SEI. LIE dualizing with you can be more feasible than ILE. You sort of seem too stern and strict for an ILE, and almost as if you would criticize and ridicule their approach.
    I am in my head; not society.

    Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am.​ Also, a brain angel. (But Zelda's incarnate too).


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    An ILE generally will need someone softer, but your aura is intense and clashing in a way with them, and the ILE would feel bullied by them, unless they and you were conscious of your differences. I do not think all relations are equal, but ESI and ILE I think is one of the absolute worst pairings.
    I am in my head; not society.

    Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am.​ Also, a brain angel. (But Zelda's incarnate too).


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