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    I don't personally feel very prone to depression. I've certainly felt depressed and been to therapy for it before, but if we're talking about the actual disorder then I don't feel like Ni-base types are really
    that much more prone to it. I'm much better now, and it only really lasted a couple years
    I think that's a good point. I think Ni-ego can sometimes make you seem more sad than what you really are. IEIs can be very 'contained' I think despite the 3D Fe valuing.

    And ILIs have their creative 3D valued Te to fall back on so are usually being a bit more productive or more logical than us and in crude American society people tend to think as long as you have a job and are doing something and not being emotional or appearing as "emo" than everything is fine. ((even when it might not be but.. lol))

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    I am an IEI who has 'put up with' mental health problems for a long time. I don't think we are as likely to recognise our depression as other types because it feels like a natural part of us. It's perhaps harder to see when it's getting out of hand.

    When I was younger and read descriptions of anxiety and depression on health websites I found it hard to relate to the descriptions, even though now I can recognise I was moderately to extremely depressed and nervous all the time. I think this is because I didn't really have anything to compare it to, there weren't any times I felt motivated and carefree (as an adult). So I always thought that to be suffering from anxiety of depression you needed to have really obvious symptoms like crying a lot, feeling very dark and low or having panic attacks/ overwhelming panic like you might get before an interview for example. The shift I felt in the last year is very subtle. I still like to complain about stuff and get anxious about things but I have stopped dwelling on my mistakes so much and catastrophising things I am worried about so much. I can see that that isn't normal behaviour and I shouldn't accept it as just being 'part of my personality' or something that 'can't be helped'.

    I think moderate depression and anxiety is something people often put up with for a long time before getting help. Perhaps more so people for people from working class backgrounds and maybe some other groups without much representation in the media. It might be a bit better now compared to when I was younger though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethany View Post
    I think moderate depression and anxiety is something people often put up with for a long time before getting help. Perhaps more so people for people from working class backgrounds and maybe some other groups without much representation in the media. It might be a bit better now compared to when I was younger though.
    Yeah, I think you're right about people tending to just "put up with" mild to moderate depression. The only reason I ever got treatment was because I was studying psych in college at the time and my university offered free mental health services included in the cost of tuition. My university's psychologists were lovely, and I even got to choose which therapist I wanted based on what school of psychology they were most versed in. Naturally I chose a therapist trained in the psychodynamic approach and she was so great to me. I had been feeling moderately depressed for over a year and then I went to therapy for about 8 months. They gave me a test before and after therapy to measure my change in anxiety and depression levels, and they improved massively. Unfortunately I know that therapy won't necessarily work for everyone, and some people don't even have access to it, but it was an amazing experience for me, and I would strongly encourage people to seek it out if it's at all a possibility even if your symptoms "aren't that bad." There's a lot of people who I think could be so much happier if they just humbled themselves and went to therapy for awhile
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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    IEIs can be very 'contained' I think despite the 3D Fe valuing.
    Yes, in a way. I find it's got a lot to do with how comfortable I feel with the people around me and how interested they seem to be in me. If people don't seem to be trying to understand how I feel then I just won't share my feelings with them in the first place because sharing and then having them "not care enough" (or perhaps more accurately: not demonstrate that they care in the particular way that matters to me) hurts me more than just keeping them to myself does. I'm at least somewhat able to self-medicate and don't really feel like I need someone else to share with in order to be okay. Obviously I would much prefer to share with a trusted confidant, but it isn't absolutely necessary for my well-being
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    Ooh @AWellArmedCat just realized I'm IEI-Ni and you're a IEI-Fe. So the containment thing I said is probably more true of IEI-Nis. ((what I like about both Fe & Se is how it explodes in your face. lol.))

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    Our IEI coworker is pregnant and she was at the brink of crying today. Mind you pregnancy can be an emotional roller coaster but I feel like she’s been especially victim like blaming all her troubles at work. I asked her if she would like to go home but I sense that they didn’t plans the costs of pregnancy and childbirth since she needs to or plans to work until the last day
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    i personally think Pi doms are most prone to depression, but it kind of depends how one defines depression... i mean Pi dom depression involves a lot of withdrawal and being in one's head and i'm not sure that's the case as much for some types. like some people express depression in a much more volatile interactive way... it may not be reasonable for me to say "most prone" at all because i feel i'm just reflecting my own vantage point.

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    I don't think being introspective of the future has anything to do with depression, It's the inability to experience pleasure, which is equally likely with any type. The reason most Ni egos seem more “depressed” is because of Si PoLR, Si usually promotes conventionality and comfort and Si valueings tend to suppress their darker thoughts and basically don't enjoy being miserable like Ni-Se's do. Also IP types are naturally very inactive and don't get that involved in life which can look like depression from the outside.

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    @BandD Yeah, I bet you're right! When I'm feeling bad I tend to scream my problems away with some metalcore karaoke. I usually feel much better after that lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    The fact you edited this is confusing because whatever you did I still have no idea what the fuck you just said.
    But I was able to decipher your meaning, despite your short post managing to contain several errors on a par of stupefying gibberish with calling an imaginary, hypothetical scenario a 'fact':

    "The reason Ni dom's are more depressed than other types is the fact that if you dropped them in a crowd..."

    ps It is in fact a fact that I edited that post (and yes, this one, too), so you do seem to know what 'fact' means intermittently. Persevere!
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    Quote Originally Posted by roshanak View Post
    But I was able to decipher your meaning, despite your short post managing to contain several errors on a par of stupefying gibberish with calling an imaginary, hypothetical scenario a 'fact':

    "The reason Ni dom's are more depressed than other types is the fact that if you dropped them in a crowd..."

    ps It is in fact a fact that I edited that post (and yes, this one, too), so you do seem to know what 'fact' means intermittently. Persevere!
    I used a hypothetical scenario to demonstrate a point. That's what they're for in case you didn't now. Albeit it wasn't the best example(probably more accurate for Fe than it is Ni because of the social setting, though it still does show an inability to handle and push themselves in the real world, which was the point I wanted to make).

    Also what does this have to do with facts? I was trying to demonstrate an explanation for why Ni dom types would be more depressed, not trying to collect data to figure out if was 100% true (though if you want data I can find some).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post

    Also what does this have to do with facts?
    Nothing. It has absolutely nothing to do with facts. And you didn't understand that that's what I said?

    "....despite your short post managing to contain several errors on a par of stupefying gibberish with calling an imaginary, hypothetical scenario a 'fact':

    'The reason Ni dom's are more depressed than other types is the fact that if you dropped them in a crowd...'

    I suggest you seriously consider that you are "stuck in [your] own head" before you concern yourself with whether Ni doms or anyone else are stuck in theirs.

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roshanak View Post
    Nothing. It has absolutely nothing to do with facts. And you didn't understand that that's what I said?

    "....despite your short post managing to contain several errors on a par of stupefying gibberish with calling an imaginary, hypothetical scenario a 'fact':

    'The reason Ni dom's are more depressed than other types is the fact that if you dropped them in a crowd...'

    I suggest you seriously consider that you are "stuck in [your] own head" before you concern yourself with whether Ni doms or anyone else are stuck in theirs.

    Cheers.
    Yes, it is a fact.
    I have personally forced many Ni dom's out of their homes and dropped them in the middle of crowded areas and they have always started to cry. They even cry before I remove the blindfold, they can just sense the people and immediately breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    They even cry before I remove the blindfold, they can just sense the people and immediately breakdown.
    Perhaps they are crying because they will miss you.

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    My guesa is Ni's desire to follow a meaningful path leads them to anxiety once that path is met with a cognitive functional possibility other than Ni.

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