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    I hesitate about sharing my view on things, often highly specific, or I share just bits and pieces to different people. This is because I know not a lot of people may seriously consider or care about my ideas how I'd like them to.

    When the rare receptive person comes along, I get very intense and adamant about my viewpoint. It's the best feeling when they wholeheartedly agree after some discussion, and better yet, appreciate that I said it. Once, in a group activity, someone said that what they like about me is that I always have a unique take on things and I loved that.

    On the other hand, once, someone I care for indirectly challenged my worldview, so I guess I defended it pretty resolutely. I tried to tone it down a bit, so I kept it to a couple sentences.
    Afterwards, he stared and said, "You're actually very intense sometimes," and nothing else on the subject. We weren't talking about emotions or emotional things-- just a mundane topic-- but it still felt like I gave a piece of my heart to someone and he took it for rubber.


    But what confuses me is that other irrational IEs are bound to imply different types of worldview.. but can a distinction be made where Ni is specifically about worldview?

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    If we go by Jung they see it through the lens of amoral symbolic aesthetics (in Jung's terms extroverts are morally oriented amoral people and introverts amorally oriented moral people). I see where the problem stems from it is better to learn to keep the fancy stuff within yourself.
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    Ni-dom worldviews are probably more shaped/influenced by idealism within the confines of their imagination.

    Thus giving them a more unique take on things.


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    Yes, confident IXIs tend to be really very defensive of their opinions but they tend to focus their views rather narrowly. I've often looked in amazement at how they can ignore other peoples' interpretations, and hammer home their own; I've never been so convinced of what I know. Ni-types are definitely aware of the world but seem to view it primarily from within their own cloisters. Worldview is a term that cannot be attached to a particular IE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatte View Post
    I hesitate about sharing my view on things, often highly specific, or I share just bits and pieces to different people. This is because I know not a lot of people may seriously consider or care about my ideas how I'd like them to.

    When the rare receptive person comes along, I get very intense and adamant about my viewpoint. It's the best feeling when they wholeheartedly agree after some discussion, and better yet, appreciate that I said it. Once, in a group activity, someone said that what they like about me is that I always have a unique take on things and I loved that.

    On the other hand, once, someone I care for indirectly challenged my worldview, so I guess I defended it pretty resolutely. I tried to tone it down a bit, so I kept it to a couple sentences.
    Afterwards, he stared and said, "You're actually very intense sometimes," and nothing else on the subject. We weren't talking about emotions or emotional things-- just a mundane topic-- but it still felt like I gave a piece of my heart to someone and he took it for rubber.


    But what confuses me is that other irrational IEs are bound to imply different types of worldview.. but can a distinction be made where Ni is specifically about worldview?
    I enjoy that Ni believes in their particular worldview. I only ask that they incorporate decent Se. For example, if an IEI desires male protection in their life in the form of a husband do not pursue a pacifist who hates violence.

    Ni is very cool but must also chose a path that is truly good for them.

    I've met IEI with unique worldviews.. My reply to them is never "No" but "let's explore, if it's freakin' possible".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    I enjoy that Ni believes in their particular worldview. I only ask that they incorporate decent Se. For example, if an IEI desires male protection in their life in the form of a husband do not pursue a pacifist who hates violence.

    Ni is very cool but must also chose a path that is truly good for them.

    I've met IEI with unique worldviews.. My reply to them is never "No" but "let's explore, if it's freakin' possible".

    Pay attention everyone.

    I'm exposing this imposter @Stray Cat

    They've been avoiding confrontation like the little nerd they are

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    I enjoy that Ni believes in their particular worldview. I only ask that they incorporate decent Se. For example, if an IEI desires male protection in their life in the form of a husband do not pursue a pacifist who hates violence.

    Ni is very cool but must also chose a path that is truly good for them.

    I've met IEI with unique worldviews.. My reply to them is never "No" but "let's explore, if it's freakin' possible".
    This tickles my brain a bit, because I’m the type to recognize that I want a partner with good Se - but in practice, give me an Se ego and I crumble. Give me an Si ego, and I blossom.

    I notice...duals can be very stubborn toward each other. They recognize each other’s strengths, but they don’t want to admit that they need help in their DS - so they can be resistant to letting their dual’s base direct them. My LSE ex was like that - he was very suggestible to my Fi, but he HATED that I could affect him in that way and tried to act like he didn’t need it. I think many IxIs are like that with Se, as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    Pay attention everyone.

    I'm exposing this imposter @Stray Cat

    They've been avoiding
    confrontation like the little nerd they are
    You can quit quoting me, you needy EIE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    You can quit quoting me, you needy EIE
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    zzz

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    You're the snowflake who's quoting me cause your a fangirl If I dated & dumped your mom, I'm not sorry.

    This forum is about socionics discussion not about you & your retarded crusade to matter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    You're the snowflake who's quoting me cause your a fangirl If I dated & dumped your mom, I'm not sorry.

    This forum is about socionics discussion not about you & your retarded crusade to matter
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    Valid points-- i thought this was what people would bring up. I suppose I just indirectly contrasted Ni to Se again. IEIs and circles

    I'm still searching to find a good intersection between Ni and Se within myself, but I think I'm doing a better job of it than before. Ease into the sensing world through Si and access Se through Fe are some things I've been trying on. (It's kind of daunting to just tell yourself "more Se" just like that haha)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatte View Post
    .....I'm still searching to find a good intersection between Ni and Se within myself........ Ease into the sensing world through Si and access Se through Fe.......
    IEIs have no intersection with Se perceptions although they occasionally access a pseudo-Se-perspective when they're not doing well or under stress; however, they rarely make use of any information from such forays. Instead, they tend to simply get enmeshed in some physical distractions which don't usually help them with the difficult aspects of their thought processes. Now IEIs do have limited Si-perceptions but it's from the same Ni-vantage point which is from the inside looking out, and any concrete perspective will likely be immediately translated to equally-unusable, relative information. Many IEIs seem to lack confidence in their own thought processes and their abilities to find workarounds for predictable weaknesses; once they find the confidence, their dynamic problem solving skills can be quite impressive.

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    I've often looked in amazement at how they can ignore other peoples' interpretations, and hammer home their own; I've never been so convinced of what I know.
    ILI doing this thing too extremely is a sign of them being "Unhealthy" though and running away too much from their Fe polr. Yeah it can sometimes look amazing but it's not exactly a strength if you also pay attention to how their own physical life is sometimes. I'm not supposed to correct Gamma though, Gamma is supposed to correct me but in my view we all criticize and correct each other lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebelondeck View Post
    Many IEIs seem to lack confidence in their own thought processes and their abilities to find workarounds for predictable weaknesses; once they find the confidence, their dynamic problem solving skills can be quite impressive.

    a.k.a. I/O
    Yes I can relate to this. As a 30 something who’s had a messy life, including struggling with my degree and struggling as a teacher I can remember very well feeling incapable of learning how to write, teach, draw etc. A few years on and having learned about socionics if I were to turn back time, I could do just fine as a teacher (maybe in a different setting) and more than fine in a degree.

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    You're sending me PMs now. You're worse than an ex-wife. You're basically a chick I ignore, who doesn't take no for an answer & still shows up my job to stalk me.

    I won't reply to your PMs or confirm "that I read your message". Go suck your dad's weiner you dumb dildo

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    @Stray Cat @pandemic candy

    Please start a thread if you guys want to mutually flame each other but stop bringing your bullshit into all the other threads. Thank you dears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post

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    I don't know what to think about this.
    Whatever I'm talking about is a picture in my head, often abstract, and I'm just trying to describe it. I know I will never see it again. It changes.
    Slowly.

    Colors weaves in and out of it, my thoughts shape around color impressions mostly. Even when I'm describing it, it changes.
    There's not a single stable thing in my head, even tho I can sound very set in the way I speak, I'm not, lol.

    I like describing those pictures tho, paying attention to them and given them concrete words sometimes brings unexpected fruits. Still need to let them evolve on their own too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    @Stray Cat @pandemic candy

    Please start a thread if you guys want to mutually flame each other but stop bringing your bullshit into all the other threads. Thank you dears.
    I completely agree with you. Completely. He's following me in every thread & quoting me, tagging me and now PMing me.

    Haven't been posting in threads just to avoid thiis fucker polluting other members posts I'll be clear... He Is Stalking Me. I could ignore him but he'd just quote me anywhere post

    I recommend you all report this pussy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    I completely agree with you. Completely. He's following me in every thread & quoting me, tagging me and now PMing me.

    Haven't been posting in threads just to avoid this fucker. I don't need him polluting others threads. I'll be clear... He Is Stalking Me.

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    I couldn't tel how serious the bitching was or it was some mutual flame thing you were doing. If you are seriously bothered by any post, please report it. Doesn't necessarily mean the mods will do anything - but we don't really know unless it's reported.

    I know I derail sometimes so it's a bit hypocritical - but I think it's best for the health of the forum over all if you guys start a thread if you wanna mutually flame each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    I couldn't tel how serious the bitching was or it was some mutual flame thing you were doing. If you are seriously bothered by any post, please report it. Doesn't necessarily mean the mods will do anything - but we don't really know unless it's reported.

    I know I derail sometimes so it's a bit hypocritical - but I think it's best for the health of the forum over all if you guys start a thread if you wanna mutually flame each other.
    I want nothing to with that piece of shit. I won't tolerate him quoting me then putting his own words in it. That's crossing a line

    Your threads shouldn't have this BS in it at all. I reported him purposely misquoting me for the rec

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    I couldn't tel how serious the bitching was or it was some mutual flame thing you were doing. If you are seriously bothered by any post, please report it. Doesn't necessarily mean the mods will do anything - but we don't really know unless it's reported.

    I know I derail sometimes so it's a bit hypocritical - but I think it's best for the health of the forum over all if you guys start a thread if you wanna mutually flame each other.

    I think that one of them wants attention and the other one just wants it to stop. It reminds me of an LIE woman who tried to get rid of her SEE BF, only to discover that the more she ignored him and the meaner she got when he came around, the more she looked to him like an ILI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I think that one of them wants attention and the other one just wants it to stop. It reminds me of an LIE woman who tried to get rid of her SEE BF, only to discover that the more she ignored him and the meaner she got when he came around, the more she looked to him like an ILI.
    I mean, if this were real life, I'd break his jaw and laugh without a word.
    He's already written messages on my profile I never replied to. If he quotes me again, I'll just reply with the a angry dog gif. No words from me.

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    ok princess. whatever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    I mean, if this were real life, I'd break his jaw and laugh without a word.
    He's already written messages on my profile I never replied to. If he quotes me again, I'll just reply with the a angry dog gif. No words from me.

    LSIs can be very loyal. It's sometimes hard to draw a line between the admirable traits of loyalty, and the less admirable traits of stalking.

    Honestly, I think that these traits split apart in humanity only a few hundred thousand years ago, and are still imperfectly separated in most people. Some of the ESIs on this forum have mentioned that they do secret stalking, and ESIs are known to be one of the most loyal types.

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    I admit, I crossed the line.

    But tbh, I just wanted to show respect to my fellow broski.

    @Stray Cat should wear it as a badge of honor

    After all, it's very rare to cross paths with a true alpha chad SLE, so I wanted to pay my deep respect.

    Usually when broz respect each other, no words need to be exchanged,

    Rather, "quick glances" are traded or, "the nod of approval," across the proverbial gym

    Didn't mean no disrespect.
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    I will, however, extend an Olive Branch to @Stray Cat

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    @Stray Cat

    I invite you to be my Robin to my Batman from this point on.

    Partners?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    LSIs can be very loyal. It's sometimes hard to draw a line between the admirable traits of loyalty, and the less admirable traits of stalking.

    Honestly, I think that these traits split apart in humanity only a few hundred thousand years ago, and are still imperfectly separated in most people. Some of the ESIs on this forum have mentioned that they do secret stalking, and ESIs are known to be one of the most loyal types.
    Uh no. Some people who type themselves LSI are stalkers, but it has nothing to do with loyalty, or being LSI. LSI as a type don't like to be where they're not wanted (Fe seeking) -- so being annoying stalkers who won't leave someone alone even when the person is clear they want to be left alone isn't a feature of the type in general.

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    @Stray Cat doesn't need assistance from u guys, don't insult him @Adam Strange @squark

    He's a big boy

    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    Uh no. Some people who type themselves LSI are stalkers, but it has nothing to do with loyalty, or being LSI. LSI as a type don't like to be where they're not wanted (Fe seeking) -- so being annoying stalkers who won't leave someone alone even when the person is clear they want to be left alone isn't a feature of the type in general.
    @squark I actually rode my tricycle past @Stray Cat's house a couple times, with some flowers.

    Unfortunately, the blindfolds were down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    @Stray Cat doesn't need assistance from u guys, don't insult him @Adam Strange @squark

    He's a big boy
    I wasn't helping him, I was responding to Adam Strange's idea that LSI=stalker. I don't know anything about you or the cat, what stalking is or isn't going on or the works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatte View Post
    I hesitate about sharing my view on things, often highly specific, or I share just bits and pieces to different people. This is because I know not a lot of people may seriously consider or care about my ideas how I'd like them to.

    When the rare receptive person comes along, I get very intense and adamant about my viewpoint. It's the best feeling when they wholeheartedly agree after some discussion, and better yet, appreciate that I said it. Once, in a group activity, someone said that what they like about me is that I always have a unique take on things and I loved that.

    On the other hand, once, someone I care for indirectly challenged my worldview, so I guess I defended it pretty resolutely. I tried to tone it down a bit, so I kept it to a couple sentences.
    Afterwards, he stared and said, "You're actually very intense sometimes," and nothing else on the subject. We weren't talking about emotions or emotional things-- just a mundane topic-- but it still felt like I gave a piece of my heart to someone and he took it for rubber.


    But what confuses me is that other irrational IEs are bound to imply different types of worldview.. but can a distinction be made where Ni is specifically about worldview?
    I actually relate to...all of this. Although, I am more likely to retract altogether when my worldview is challenged than argue it.

    I’ve always thought of Ni as the archetypal worldview function. I think every IE has its own subjective worldview, but worldview in the technical sense of the word seems to largely fit Ni in its beliefs based on cumulative perception.

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    Please start a thread if you guys want to mutually flame each other but stop bringing your bullshit into all the other threads. Thank you dears.
    I will also conduct the wedding ceremony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    ok princess. whatever

    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    @Stray Cat

    I invite you to be my Robin to my Batman from this point on.

    Partners?

    Nah. No partnership. Just be cool. No drama

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    I will also conduct the wedding ceremony.
    None of this shit. Just here to discuss socionics.

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    I want to respond to this but I’m not sure what to say bc in all honesty I’m not sure who I am as it concerns some major aspects. Not all though. I think poor mentalizing can superficially look like Ni type behavior but it may not necessarily be. I do think I have warped mentalizing under stress part of which is brought on by dysfunctional patterns where the average human mind makes mistakes in ascribing meaning or motivation to my behavior and I would have absolutely no defenses to subdue it or to protect integrity of self. Because I’ve pretty much grown up around that sort of feedback nonverbal or otherwise from many - but not all - people. Right now I’m able to make sense of it and write this out thanks of psych lit. but yeah sometimes people are being rigid or stubborn not just because they can’t integrate your POV but the essential validity of theirs comes under threat. I don’t know how to describe this in further detail but yeah.that that may be distinct from (healthy) Ni

    I also sometimes wish people would understand their ability to regulate emotions is probably not just a result of self-discipline or will power or something (in origin I mean), neither is ability to maintain integrity of self. Those things come with relatively decent mentalizing and attachment pattern with at least one key person developmentally...or so claims the theory I subscribe to at least. Therefore I see it as a developmental gap that does not wire my brain the way it does other people's. But people will likely continue to treat me as if I am just not trying hard enough. Second guessing your thoughts is different from not even having an accurate conception of your self, thoughts, feelings, in one way or another - to begin with. And this kind of feedback loop further reinforces the wound I have and makes it worse; except now I understand a bit better thanks to psychology.

    this one's talking about BPD but mentalization is a process that can go wrong in anyone


    I do wonder if psychic equivalence looks more rigid than what might be experienced internally. Makes it seem pseudo Ni at a superficial glance.
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