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    According to model G, Gulenko believes a person has adequate energy dedicated to the dual-seeking function. If true then, despite the DS function being 1D, a person has the energy to use it.

    My Ni is 1D but the energy I have for Ni has helped me to self supply. Basically the goal is to avoid being needy for the DS. Maybe it's the liquor & I'm just really drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    According to model G, Gulenko believes a person has adequate energy dedicated to the dual-seeking function. If true then, despite the DS function being 1D, a person has the energy to use it.

    My Ni is 1D but the energy I have for Ni has helped me to self supply. Basically the goal is to avoid being needy for the DS. Maybe it's the liquor & I'm just really drunk.

    Lol. I spent ten years being really drunk and I can attest that it suppresses the need for the DS. All I wanted to do was to get into bar fights and smash up vehicles. Not exactly Fi-seeking.

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    Strange timing. I got called out on Te at work today: asking "help, what would you do?" for a case that fell outside of several parameters.

    I could conjure up routes to take but they were equally risky. There have been misses and resulting angry people on the phone, so I wanted to avoid a repeat.

    My boss said "Why don't you first draft an email of the steps you would take, and send that to us so we can tweak it - doing so may improve your confidence"

    To be less needy for my DS function, I need to independently devise steps to carry out an activity that is new to me. Not work related, but within my own interests
    The key would be to not get so hung up on a perfect order of steps, the prerequisites. Most importantly: choose, then trust events to unfold.

    The DS function is difficult to pull off without templates...

    Have you noticed acts that balance your Se, and self-supply Ni, @Stray Cat?

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    So it means like LXE's womanize dates in order to get into contact (to establish a relation), EXE will push your buttons to think, IXE will spend their days thinking about how to relax and not being piggy and succeeding in one corner of their house, SXE will jump on path to the greatest transformation getting into a dark tunnel.... so yeah what ever you consider to be an asset.
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    Music does it, though its music I'm not inclined to play around friends.

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    I don’t think I can do it well. I can try but the answers come very slowly
    I hear ya. My only real point to this to not be needy. IF a person is needy for their DS, they' won't discern if they befriend a manipulative dual or semi-dual.

    If a person has the energy for their DS they' can take their time & self supply at their own pace.

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    Strange timing. I got called out on Te at work today: asking "help, what would you do?" for a case that fell outside of several parameters.

    I could conjure up routes to take but they were equally risky. There have been misses and resulting angry people on the phone, so I wanted to avoid a repeat.

    My boss said "Why don't you first draft an email of the steps you would take, and send that to us so we can tweak it - doing so may improve your confidence"

    To be less needy for my DS function, I need to independently devise steps to carry out an activity that is new to me. Not work related, but within my own interests
    The key would be to not get so hung up on a perfect order of steps, the prerequisites. Most importantly: choose, then trust events to unfold.

    The DS function is difficult to pull off without templates...

    Have you noticed acts that balance your Se, and self-supply Ni, @Stray Cat?
    Yeah. My religious faith does awesome stuff. Se is an external function that acts on the external world. I watch animals for a living. When they do dum shit, dumb shit happens eventually. When they do good shit, good shit happens eventually. Sometimes with them, the results are reversed & it'll be mixed bag. I have the energy to keep watching 'em though

    If Te is your DS, my bet is you have the enthusiasm & energy to be cool at Te. Another Fi-dom might reply with their own opinion on this

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    I know a decent amount of you guys seem to have a pretty decent grasp on your DS, but i know personally i suck at it about as much as I suck at my polr, the only difference is that i have no interest in doing anything with Si. I have horrible handwriting and will simply eat and drink whenever I remember or I'm very hungry/thirsty, and those are things which I feel would be a waste of time to care about or try to change.

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    I have only used Te that’s sort of been handed to me. I “keep it in my system” if you will and reuse it if appropriate

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    @Stray Cat, your response about being watchful (and I presume lenient) with the animals you care for makes sense to me. There's always the first assessment but with repeat exposure to scenarios, you pick up on a cycle of events. You said sometimes they happen in reverse. That's how I understand Ni: from a distance, it observes repetitions until the repetitions "tell" something.

    My description needs work, sorry. Ni musings seem to be born out of nothing at all, like magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thistle View Post
    @Stray Cat, your response about being watchful (and I presume lenient) with the animals you care for makes sense to me. There's always the first assessment but with repeat exposure to scenarios, you pick up on a cycle of events. You said sometimes they happen in reverse. That's how I understand Ni: from a distance, it observes repetitions until the repetitions "tell" something.

    My description needs work, sorry. Ni musings seem to be born out of nothing at all, like magic.
    Yeah I don't blame you for your assessment. I don't understand Fi to the point I could describe it. If I did, the description would likely offend Fi-doms which wouldn't be my intention.

    For the rec, your description of Ni was pretty decent

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    Sadly, I think I'm not capable of self-supplying at all. oh well. I'm not needy of it all but that's because I'm focusing on other things, I guess.

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    I’m not really sure if I’m capable of supplying it for myself? I mean new ideas and such I can just use Google or something but I’m not really desperate for my dual seeking function. I prefer good Ti with some Te flavor over Ne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Static Minds View Post
    I’m not really sure if I’m capable of supplying it for myself? I mean new ideas and such I can just use Google or something but I’m not really desperate for my dual seeking function. I prefer good Ti with some Te flavor over Ne.
    Exactly. You're who I would call a well-balanced SEI. You have 1D Ne and, as evident with your preference for logic, seem to be entertaining yourself relatively well with your own Ne. It's not about being great at the DS, but about being truly good enough at it in your own eyes.

    The energy model suggests that the HA function has the lowest energy. This means a person will tire from using it despite liking it.

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    Even if I try hard, Se from myself is still crappy Se. Optimally, I need 4D Se, not crappy Se.
    I'll also never be able purify Se from Ni like a Se ego does. Too deeply entrenched in Ni.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Basically the goal is to avoid being needy for the DS.
    Yeah I think the same way because I currently don't have much beta ST in my life. I used to and do have it occasionally, so I know how much easier it is when someone else supplies it.
    Ultimately, I can't help but to be aware of 1) how much I fall short 2) how it's both a need and a want (even if I stop needing it from others due to strong self-supply, I'll still want it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatte View Post
    Even if I try hard, Se from myself is still crappy Se. Optimally, I need 4D Se, not crappy Se.
    I'll also never be able purify Se from Ni like a Se ego does. Too deeply entrenched in Ni.



    Yeah I think the same way because I currently don't have much beta ST in my life. I used to and do have it occasionally, so I know how much easier it is when someone else supplies it.
    Ultimately, I can't help but to be aware of 1) how much I fall short 2) how it's both a need and a want (even if I stop needing it from others due to strong self-supply, I'll still want it)
    Interesting. I have IEI bosses at the job. Here's an example of how it convos are...

    IEI chick says with concern, "My mail is at the post office!"

    I say, "Cool. Sounds fun" (I literally grab my keys & jet to the door)

    IEI chick says, "It's snowing, gas pumps aren't working, there's a riot outside & I hear that a tiger escaped from a zoo and..."

    I say, "I don't give a f*ck about any of that sh*t. That mail will be in your hands in 15 minutes"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Interesting. I have IEI bosses at the job. Here's an example of how it convos are...

    IEI chick says with concern, "My mail is at the post office!"

    I say, "Cool. Sounds fun" (I literally grab my keys & jet to the door)
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    I’ve been in Fe-fatigued states where I tried to push it out of others. But I don’t think that’s good and try to avoid doing that.

    I’m in a sleep-deprived state right now, so this is difficult to explain, but what I appreciate about Fe is a feeling of softness, kindness, tolerance. Spontaneous genuine emotional expression that isn’t rooted in self-interest or calculation. This softens certain ways I express myself and feel. Even if I don’t express Fe myself I try to keep this “softened” attitude toward others — I try to be tolerant and nonjudgemental, responsive, open to talk and deal with people when they wish to. I think this is a good way for me to be.
    φιλοκαλοῦμέν τε γὰρ μετ᾽ εὐτελείας καὶ φιλοσοφοῦμεν ἄνευ μαλακίας.

    It’s hard to translate this literally and poetically into English, but this is my attempt at a translation: “For we love beauty, that we attain good ends thereby, and we love wisdom, though not in a way that makes us soft, nor that causes us to value weakness.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I’ve been in Fe-fatigued states where I tried to push it out of others. But I don’t think that’s good and try to avoid doing that.

    I’m in a sleep-deprived state right now, so this is difficult to explain, but what I appreciate about Fe is a feeling of softness, kindness, tolerance. Spontaneous genuine emotional expression that isn’t rooted in self-interest or calculation. This softens certain ways I express myself and feel. Even if I don’t express Fe myself I try to keep this “softened” attitude toward others — I try to be tolerant and nonjudgemental, responsive, open to talk and deal with people when they wish to. I think this is a good way for me to be.
    Would it be fair to say that the more successful you are at using Fe, the more likely you would be to use it?

    In other words, if folk are receptive & respond appropriately to your Fe would you be more enthusiastic about using it?

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    I feel like all my Te comes to me from an external source. Not in the sense of Te being an extroverted information element, but this feeling that anything I do involving Te is not my own accumulation of experience, but someone else’s. Like borrowing someone else’s tools for a project. I don’t know if it’s just an aspect of the suggestive function or not, but my attempts to self-supply Te do not yield the same psychological satisfaction to me as when I receive it from others.

    I contrast it with the output of my PoLR, which I very much perceive as an accumulation of my own experience, albeit a scant one.

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    I think I am okay with Ne. I have gotten a bit better at utilizing it at times but I know I will never be as great as a Ne-dom. I am still anxious af due to a lot of possibilities but I have learned to lean into a little bit and learning to enjoy new possibilities. I have started trying different food and getting into different foods. I have become more open to travel and to see things in an alternate view. I search out information and want to learn and look at things differently. I can learn on the go and be good at it. My family are all Sensors and I have kinda stepped up a bit to open some newer possibilities that they haven't really had before. The more positive new experiences I have, the easier on me. I really disliked Ne when I was younger but, I've come to appreciate Ne things as I get older.

    I try my best to self supply. It's a bit hard but it is somewhat doable. I can manage and be somewhat balanced, which is the most important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Would it be fair to say that the more successful you are at using Fe, the more likely you would be to use it?

    In other words, if folk are receptive & respond appropriately to your Fe would you be more enthusiastic about using it?
    In a limited capacity, sure. In the sense that around people who like me, I feel more at ease and open up somewhat. But I won’t ever be an ExE. I don’t think it would be possible to learn to use it with the same strength or ease as an Fe ego, at least not without compromising other parts of my psyche.
    φιλοκαλοῦμέν τε γὰρ μετ᾽ εὐτελείας καὶ φιλοσοφοῦμεν ἄνευ μαλακίας.

    It’s hard to translate this literally and poetically into English, but this is my attempt at a translation: “For we love beauty, that we attain good ends thereby, and we love wisdom, though not in a way that makes us soft, nor that causes us to value weakness.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    In a limited capacity, sure. In the sense that around people who like me, I feel more at ease and open up somewhat. But I won’t ever be an ExE. I don’t think it would be possible to learn to use it with the same strength or ease as an Fe ego, at least not without compromising other parts of my psyche.
    Def not about being an Fe-ego. Be your type (perhaps, the best version of your type that you can be) This thread was about self-supplying the DS only to avoid neediness.

    I personally supply Ni just fine. Some of the Ni-doms here who use their lead on the forum impress my Se function. When I date irl I never really dual seek cause I'm content. Not saying everyone should be me, of course

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    Quote Originally Posted by xerx View Post
    I'd love to be able to sleep for sixteen hours a day.
    Get depressed or understimulated. Easy.

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    Me: here's all the reasons this is a stupid/useless thing to do.
    Also me: but it's not harming anyone/causing problems and I want it so whatever.
    I can be such a cheap-ass bastard at time, loosening up is great.
    Tho, I must say I had Se peeps encourage me to be more "spontaneous" in the past. I'm still reluctant and cautious inside, my visible spontaneity is calculated but I care less and treat myself if it causes no harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I’ve been in Fe-fatigued states where I tried to push it out of others. But I don’t think that’s good and try to avoid doing that.

    I’m in a sleep-deprived state right now, so this is difficult to explain, but what I appreciate about Fe is a feeling of softness, kindness, tolerance. Spontaneous genuine emotional expression that isn’t rooted in self-interest or calculation. This softens certain ways I express myself and feel. Even if I don’t express Fe myself I try to keep this “softened” attitude toward others — I try to be tolerant and nonjudgemental, responsive, open to talk and deal with people when they wish to. I think this is a good way for me to be.
    So Fe is a feeling judgement, not rooted in the self, but rooted in the social situation. A socially adjusted attitude. Collective values.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Is there something stopping you to do it on the weekends
    I just find it impossible. 7 to 8 hours is the max.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Def not about being an Fe-ego. Be your type (perhaps, the best version of your type that you can be) This thread was about self-supplying the DS only to avoid neediness.

    I personally supply Ni just fine. Some of the Ni-doms here who use their lead on the forum impress my Se function. When I date irl I never really dual seek cause I'm content. Not saying everyone should be me, of course
    As far as dating goes, I'm not sure I want a dual. I'm not necessarily looking for superintelligence or introversion, but I don't want someone with no inner life or without the ability to introspect. More ESEs than not seem to be like that. So I understand why you might be wary of IEIs. Really I'm not sure duality is necessarily optimal for marriages/long-term relationships.

    Apologies; in threads I often lose the plot and start talking about different things. Yes, I think it's possible and for the best to not be dependent on others. In my own case it's difficult to answer since I tend to become detached from reality quickly when I don't spend time around people. I think is likely always to be the case for me. But I think this is different from Fe-neediness, which I think I've managed to mostly overcome.
    φιλοκαλοῦμέν τε γὰρ μετ᾽ εὐτελείας καὶ φιλοσοφοῦμεν ἄνευ μαλακίας.

    It’s hard to translate this literally and poetically into English, but this is my attempt at a translation: “For we love beauty, that we attain good ends thereby, and we love wisdom, though not in a way that makes us soft, nor that causes us to value weakness.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I’m in a sleep-deprived state right now, so this is difficult to explain, but what I appreciate about Fe is a feeling of softness, kindness, tolerance. Spontaneous genuine emotional expression that isn’t rooted in self-interest or calculation. This softens certain ways I express myself and feel. Even if I don’t express Fe myself I try to keep this “softened” attitude toward others — I try to be tolerant and nonjudgemental, responsive, open to talk and deal with people when they wish to. I think this is a good way for me to be.
    The best way I understood Fe-seeking to date was that it adds color to an otherwise dry world. This is eloquent and really helped me understand another side of it=)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    As far as dating goes, I'm not sure I want a dual. I'm not necessarily looking for superintelligence or introversion, but I don't want someone with no inner life or without the ability to introspect. More ESEs than not seem to be like that. So I understand why you might be wary of IEIs. Really I'm not sure duality is necessarily optimal for marriages/long-term relationships.

    Apologies; in threads I often lose the plot and start talking about different things. Yes, I think it's possible and for the best to not be dependent on others. In my own case it's difficult to answer since I tend to become detached from reality quickly when I don't spend time around people. I think is likely always to be the case for me. But I think this is different from Fe-neediness, which I think I've managed to mostly overcome.
    You're Ne-ego. Ne-egos do that. Asking you to be something else would be stupid, imo.

    I'd say relationships are a personal choice. There's duality, there's also YOU. If something isn't good for a person, it is that person's responsibility to choose wisely. A dual relation may be wise, it may not. * Shrugs*

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    I don't trust this thread since @Stray Cat can't even type themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    My Ni is 1D but the energy I have for Ni has helped me to self supply. Basically the goal is to avoid being needy for the DS. Maybe it's the liquor & I'm just really drunk.
    Your Se is 1D and your liquor is just your masquerading costume

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    I don't trust this thread since @Stray Cat can't even type themselves
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    Your Se is 1D and your liquor is just your mascarading costume

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Nah. Whatever your issue is be a butthurt dork elsewhere. You're just a Karen with a Christian infatuation. I don't swing that way princess.
    Cringe.

    Your Se is faker than Caitlyn Jenner

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    Cringe.

    Your Se is faker than Caitlyn Jenner
    Proof or are you just attention seeking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Proof or are you just attention seeking
    u sound like someone that would get a swirlie and get slammed against the lockers in high school

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    u sound like someone that would get a swirlie and get slammed against the lockers in high school
    Nah. I've fought dogs before. You're grasping for straws. Not sure what I've done to make you cry. Whatever it was. I'm still not sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Nah. I've fought dogs before. You're grasping for straws. Not sure what I've done to make you cry. Whatever it was. I'm still not sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    You're a typical internet nobody. You're a wimp trying to expose "imposters" when you're likely one yourself. You have no proof, you're whining & a trashy internet keyboard warrior

    There are folk here who dig discussing socionics, yet you're PMSing & turning a decent threads into your need to be heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    You're a typical internet nobody. You're a wimp trying to expose "imposters" when you're likely one yourself. You have no proof, you're whining & a trashy internet keyboard warrior

    There are folk here who dig discussing socionics, yet you're PMSing & turning a decent threads into your need to be heard.
    Stop replying. A mod can split the thread if too much unrelated stuff gets into it, and the more you reply, the more replies you will get. Once is enough in most of these situations, you don't need to prove anything nor have the last word, no one cares beside a few peeps who like the drama.

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