Which IEs can understand the motives and intentions of people better in your opinion?
Motive and Intention
Which IEs can understand the motives and intentions of people better in your opinion?
Ni, maybe. IxI are typically the best at this in my experience. XII can reach similar levels of insight, I think, but IMO this requires more maturity and is less common than for IXI, who even if immature themselves, seem able to understand others remarkably naturally and deeply.
I think Ne is better at grasping the intention, I am not sure about the motive though, Ni can grasp it better.Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman
I might just be too tired to make sense of this, but what do you see as the difference between “intention” and “motive?”
By the way, is English your first language? I don’t know or don’t remember where you live, but seem to recall you’re in Europe somewhere. Maybe your distinction comes from another language? I think of the terms as pretty much synonymous, which is why I ask. Though maybe other people would disagree.
Last edited by FreelancePoliceman; 06-30-2021 at 12:02 PM.
Intent is related to actions. Ex: Standing near someone to show your intent to talk to them.
Motive is related to underlying reasons. Ex: You want to talk to someone because you feel lonely.
Ethics mostly. Ni also might help.
yeah... I find EIIs ESIs EIEs IEIs ESEs good at reading people
If I "appear" sad, ESE will ask me "What's wrong," but not realize I'm not sad
If "I am" sad, EIE will observe that I'm sad + understand why I'm sad
EII won't really acknowledge whether I "appear" sad or not, but know why I'm sad
Last edited by peteronfireee2; 06-30-2021 at 12:51 PM.
IEE (the psychologist) ime. Never met Ni types who are good at this.
Intention is the mental state/attitude of a person, it doesn't necessarily lead to anything. It is about the perspective of that person. Hence I think it is more related to Ne that's why Ne focus on like-mindness, etc.
Motive is the reason, the cause that lead to an action/movement. Hence I thought it is more related to Ni.
If both are related to Ni, then how does SxI-IxE duals survive in this context, do they rely on ethical functions of F types only?
People can use these words interchangeably, so if people can explain why they think it is tied to one spesific IE or IEs, others can understand what they mean better.
I agree that ethical functions are good at grasping these things.
How do STs deal with this?
Do Ti and Te or S functions have their own way to detect these things?
I think Ti and Te have their own way to interpret relationships, emotions etc, however their way are definitely very different than F approach. Te focuses on facts about how things are evolving, Ti focuses on analyzing the behavior of people in order to gauge the motive and intention of other person.
Last edited by myresearch; 06-30-2021 at 02:28 PM.
Yes, although I would say that intent in the sense of self-interested motives is actually about Se. EIIs are notoriously bad at discerning that.
honestly i think it's kind of all of them because it depends on what kind of motive/intention. i also feel like Ti is really important in this for Ti/Fe valuers. like i feel like my Fi is rather judgmental and Ti HA analyzing Fe input is the graceful thing that can override it.
Fi types are the most inclined to try to figure out others intentions, and the most suspicious of others intentions in general.
Intuition helps of course
Sometimes you don't have motivation because you lack purpose.
Sometimes you don't have purpose, because you lack self-knowledge
Sometimes you don't have self-knowledge because you lack love
Sometimes you don't have love because you lack self-love
Sometimes you don't have self-love because you lack guess what? Ask Gulenko!!
ILIs assume the worst intentions in people. They’re highly cynical and overly suspicious of others. I don’t think intuition is helpful to ILIs in this case. They tend to be over confident in their judgements about people.
Also, one thing ILIs seem to miss is that their attitude towards people contributes to a positive feedback loop -
ILI eyes someone with suspicion ->
Person responds poorly ->
ILI feels suspicions are justified + cynical views of humanity are reinforced->
ILI is suspicious of next person ->
And so on
and if someone's motivate is constipation or IBS? just know they will try to hide it!
IxFx are the best at intuiting intentions and motivations, among people who have similar way of thinking. Outside their immediate sweet spot, they're no better at it than anybody else, just more wired to gather tons of hours practice listening, thinking, reading about it. But that's not the same as actually getting it right. I will spare you the "Fi dom assuming my motivations" rant. They are just as likely to be overconfident that they "get" somebody else's motivations. Their true skill is getting people to blab their life stories, motivations, intentions. After a while the same things keep coming up. They're not mind readers.
INTx analytical powers far far exceed their actual understanding of people, which pisses me off because my dual is a sucker/fiend for true sounding flawed theory of mind.
Anyway, this skill is more social instinct than type. Social last INFx can be clueless recluse aliens who barely understand anything beyond their own feelings, let alone other people. Social first extroverts can have an extremely strong grasp of what drives and moves masses.
Last edited by inaLim; 06-30-2021 at 06:31 PM.
How we repeat doors in the monopoly of the whole jam packed Nintendo device creates the arc and fork of the tides and aethers for repelling the wishing well.
Our mind needs spring cleaning, refreshment, poise in the tempest wind. We get pulled by various forces and acts of darkness, but it's our drive to determine the course of the hanger bay that lets us prolong a fabled legacy.
Chinese Fortune Cookie ~ A fair face may fade, but a beautiful soul lasts forever. Lucky Numbers - 53, 10, 29, 14, 1, 21
Mr. Mime = Mastermind
The time is alway right to do what is right.
Become who you are.
Marius Florin aka LeoSuperCluster as Raging Bolt the Raikou number 1021 and SolitaryWalker brought glory to the years of Silver and forged Pichu, wisdom of force and flair to exhibit dinosaur questing pointers electrocuting cinema and blueprints of emporiums to undertow flows jungle tossing galaxy spanning shivers of essence gems and portals of roads to destruction and arboretums folding castles and swordsmanship of dreams and counters to pleasant vibrations and holy water sprouting evanescent stars and puzzles of grades to saffron climax
https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...k-2024-edition
Ni people project bunch of weird motives onto me. They live in their subjective obsessions so I'd put the least weight on them. Those who measure it objectively and through feedback loop I'd go with extroverted ethicals.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Sincerely yours,
idiosyncratic type
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
Joinif you dare https://matrix.to/#/#The16Types:matrix.org
I remember reading in some type description(Golihov) for ILE about them becoming "often with age becoming also good psychologists, since it allows them to maintain a good self-esteem.", which I believe to be accurate at least to me. I'd argue that the ability to understand people's motivations/intentions is mostly dependent on a strong intuition of both Ni and Ne(though probably leaning towards Ne to understand more unusual people) and maturity.
Honestly, I think it heavily depends on the motivations and intentions of the specific type/individual. I won't argue that there are some types that re better then others (cause there are) I would say LIE, EIE, ILE, IEI, ILI, and SLE are, on average, better at it then most.
However, I've had all of those types often confuse or don't understand my motivations and I've seen them all get confused by certain intentions of others as well. I suck with motivations of others but, I think I am pretty good when it comes if people have good intentions or not. Another type can be the opposite. It also depends on experience and instinct stacking too. I think people of the same quadrant seem to understand each others intentions and motivations better then others on average. Heck there are people I have know for years and I still don't understand either while others with shorter time I know like the back of my hand. Just depends on the individual.
I am surprised to see SLE here. I think they are bad it, if they don't know the person for some time. On my previous job, SEE-D, SLE-H and I interrogated some workers on different occasions. SEE-D and I were generally on the same page about people's intents and motives and we were generally proven to be right later on. SLE had totally opposite thoughts about people, someone was trying to help, he tought he was lying etc. However, after they know a person, they are better at detecting these things.
I threw SLE on here as they can be decent with it when they actually decide too and think about it. Like you have mentioned too, they are better when it comes to people they have know awhile. I think SLE are better at understanding what will motivate someone and will use that to their advantage rather motivations of an action in itself if that makes sense? They get it wrong a too lol. They can get very stubborn about their perspective and view of it and what they believe are people's intentions and motivations that are wrong. Just, I think they understand a lot better then they let on when it comes to influencing others motivations.
There's one LIE familiar to me who had this odd ability to assume people's identities and reenact social relationships. I could never be sure if these people ever existed. Nevertheless, they had these stunningly elaborate conceptions of people and their surroundings. If you're around them long enough they're almost certain to be right about you.
Really? I’m curious if you have specific examples. SLEs usually seem to me to have difficulty understanding Alpha and Gamma people’s motivations. Good at grasping other Betas and OK with Deltas, I think, but the other 2 quadras seem to confuse them IME. It’s hard for me to put a finger on this. I could be wrong.
I'd think that an EIE would be better at this than an LIE.
You're right! Just, I've been around too many SLE and I noticed this aspect. To me, SLE (especially SLE-Ti) are good at real-time motivation manipulation. In the sense, I find them pretty good at generally understanding someones motives when a specific goal is needed by them and I find them pretty good at influencing people to both combine their motive and the others motive. I might be a little more influenced simply because it's mirage and I feel a little more comfortable doing stuff they ask.
I was at the bank trying to fix something with my bank account and the worker I was talking too was an SLE and he was trying to convince me, in a natural way, to open up a specific bank account in order to do stocks as I was interested at the time and you would need it. They also had a specific sale at the time to do it. He gave me his number and blah blah blah. I was interested until I went home and my mom told me that 'of course he was trying to do it because it's his job and they would get a bonus for doing so" and that left a sour taste in my mouth and I didn't end up doing it. My brother and an old Cowoker are SLE and they always convince me when I am motivated for a specific thing and I think they seem really good at capitalizing on it the most.
There are others that are way way better at it and they do get it wrong a lot too. When the environment is fertile to their liking, they really know how to take advantage of it imo.
On average, N-types seem better at determining motives and intention; I've been quite good at it when I actually took interest. S-types seem much better than N-types at determining the character of someone. Ni-types will often pick up relevant clues in much quicker fashion because they're more dynamically interactive with people, but they're no better at determinations than Ne-types who typically have to deliberately look for something.
a.k.a. I/O
Depends on what it is. For instance, logical types might better grasp the logical intentions and motives in a procedure, set of rules, or budget. But when dealing with personal motivations, I think ethics and intuition helps. I think IEEs may be most apt in understanding people's motives and intentions.
I'm very good at this, they don't have to have my own similar motivations either. Are people just saying that cuz they don't like to be seen thru? I'm sorry but that's just bogus- we do it well to everybody no matter what, and they can be incredibly different from us. Ppl can be basically be read any of the ways;
1. They want lots of money
2. They want power
3. They want to be bossy and tell others what to do
4. They are just plain cruel and sadistic (did it all for the lols)
5. They really are fucked up inside but have this 'nice guy/girl' mask for when they donate to charities or when the Te outside world is looking but interpersonally they are pieces of shit.
6. They are naturally nice and good-natured, but are too much of a pussy to go anywhere in life (not properly utilizing Se to get what they want)
7. They are naturally very manipulative and Machiavellian - telling others what they need at exactly the right time - relates strongly to #2 & #5
8. They are moral and just, but also impulsive and too quick to anger- and are easily scapegoated by people with more nefarious intentions
9. They are lazy and like to talk a lot but don't actually do anything... or go anywhere. They are just social butterflies. They want/need an alpha male type to do all the action for them.
10. They are actually 100% good and ethical and don't do anything shady or exploitative to get what they want- and also have enough self-confidence and assertiveness. (haha in America, don't make me laugh!)
My ESE mom is so naive to other people's power players it's bizarre to me. I admit as an IEI I used to kinda be a lot more naive when I was younger, but now it's pretty clear to see the kind of shit ppl are up 2.
oh I forgot. 11. they want to lie or exaggerate about others problems to make themselves look better and more righteous ((or just totally make something up via an easy scapegoat)) - in order to have more power. but idk that could be baked into one of the other ones probably.
Ni>
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote
