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    100 and Below: Slow prophetic activity
    100 to 130: Moderate prophetic activity
    130 to 160: Heavy prophetic activity
    Above 160: Fasten your seat belts
    Records

    All-Time High: 189 (October 10, 2016)
    All-Time Low: 58 (December 12, 1993)
    --186 (6/28/21)
    --188 (9/6/21)
    --183 (12/4/21)
    --186 (1/24/22)
    --186 (2/14/22)
    --187 (3/6/22)

    After the Rapture takes place, the 7-year tribulation (Time of Jacob's Trouble) will shortly follow.

    Trust me, you don't want to get left behind...

    Here's a SNEAK PEEK




    30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke. 31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come. 32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call. Joel 2:30-32

    A great spirit of delusion will overtake everyone:





    nuts hanging out. frothing at the mouth.

    u can ignore reality, but not the consequences of ignoring reality...

    many r gonna end up lickin mushroom tips after gettin absolutely decimated





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    There are different schools of thought when it comes to end time views.

    This index will be following the "Dispensational Premillennialism" view




    The rapture is designed for believers of Christ (the Church) before the coming tribulaton

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    Daniel's 70 Weeks

    Daniel chapter 9 provides key information when it comes to endtime prophecy.

    Here is an illustration:



    Some key facts:

    --Each "week" consists of 7 years
    --The Jewish "prophetic clock" stops at Jesus' entry/Palm Sunday (69 sets of 7 or 483 years)
    --The Jewish "prophetic clock" will resume at the signing of a peace treaty between Israel and other nations
    --We are currently in the "church age" where the "prophetic clock" is paused

    Cool facts:

    This prophecy provided the exact time frame for:

    --The arrival of Jesus' first coming (483 years). We know from Nehemiah 2:1 that in 445 BC, King Artaxerxes (@xerx) allowed Nehemiah to go and rebuild Jerusalem (beginning with the walls around the city). Nehemiah 1 tells us this happened in the month of Nisan in the twentieth year of Artaxerxes. Long story short, we can identify this exact date based on historical and archeological records. Fast-forward 483 years and we come to the spring of AD 31, the time of Jesus's triumphal entry on Palm Sunday.

    --Messiah's Death Prophesied. "After 62 sevens"

    --The AD 70 Destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple prophesied. This occurred in AD 70 at the hand of the Roman military leader Titus, who would later become emperor.
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    Wasn't Saddam Hussein literally the antichrist / Gog / Magog according to these people?

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    I go with Newton's 2060 end of the world prediction.

    But it's not terrible. It's sweet, welcoming, bright, swirling, magnetic, enigmatic, and such. The Millennium of Peace is the sound of Love vibrating and twitching through the starlit canopy of awareness and cheerful intelligence of the highest radiant wisdom beholding the Promise spread as a life giving flora and fauna.

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    Seems a bit strange to Jesus to come back to a world without any Christians in it, no? How will he resolve their doctrinal differences then? He'll only lead the (disbelieving) Jews?

    From the Islamic point of view, most or all of the minor signs of the day of judgment have already occurred. Only the "big ones" remain.

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    Rapture vs. Second Coming

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    Seems a bit strange to Jesus to come back to a world without any Christians in it, no? How will he resolve their doctrinal differences then? He'll only lead the (disbelieving) Jews?

    From the Islamic point of view, most or all of the minor signs of the day of judgment have already occurred. Only the "big ones" remain.
    Great question,

    First, the differences between rapture and second coming

    When it comes to doctrine, we need to divide God’s Word (doctrine of dispensation), and ask ourselves whether the passage is talking about Israel or the church. They are not the same. Matthew 24 is often quoted referring to the rapture, but it is clearly talking about Israel.

    During the tribulation the church will be gone and God’s attention is once again on Israel, as He is bringing them to Him. So yes, @thehotelambush, you are correct. Additionally, that seven years of the tribulation is necessary to fulfill the final seven years of Daniel’s prophecy or the 70 weeks (detailed below).

    Next, the purpose of the second coming

    The second coming of Jesus Christ is the hope of believers that God is in control of all things, and is faithful to the promises and prophecies in His Word.

    --In His first coming, Jesus Christ came to earth as a baby in a manger in Bethlehem, just as prophesied. Jesus fulfilled many of the prophecies of the Messiah during His birth, life, ministry, death, and resurrection. However, there are some prophecies regarding the Messiah that Jesus has not yet fulfilled.

    --The second coming of Christ will be the return of Christ to fulfill these remaining prophecies. In His first coming, Jesus was the suffering Servant. In His second coming, Jesus will be the conquering King. In His first coming, Jesus arrived in the most humble of circumstances. In His second coming, Jesus will arrive with the armies of heaven at His side.


    In short, the return of Christ brings about what is referred to as the kingdom of God in Scripture—God’s absolute rule over His creation, including humankind.

    More details on the purpose of this return:


    When Jesus returns, He will be ready for war (Revelation 19:11–16). The nations will be gathered to fight against Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:2) in what we call the battle of Armageddon. But that will be the day Jesus returns: “His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south” (verse 4). It will be a unique day in the history of the world: “On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness . . . a day known only to the Lord—with no distinction between day and night. When evening comes, there will be light” (verses 6–7). God’s enemies will be defeated, and the Antichrist and the false prophet will be “thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur” (Revelation 19:20). Jesus will set up His kingdom, and “The Lord will be king over the whole earth” (Zechariah 14:9).

    In establishing His kingdom on earth, Jesus will first set up a judgment for those who are still alive after the tribulation and who are on the earth at the time of the second coming. This is referred to as the “judgment of the sheep and the goats” or “judgment of the nations” (Matthew 25:31–46). Those who survive this judgment will remain on earth and enjoy a time of peace and prosperity with Christ for 1,000 years (referred to as the millennium; see Revelation 20:4–6). Those who are found guilty in this judgment are cursed and consigned to “the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41). Satan is bound and forbidden to act during the millennium (Revelation 20:1–3).

    During this time there will also be a resurrection of all believers in God (Revelation 20:4–6). These resurrected believers will join believers who are alive at the time of Christ’s coming and those Christ brings with Him from heaven, and all will live with Jesus during His 1,000-year earthly reign.

    At the end of the millennium, Satan will be released, and one final battle will occur, which will rapidly be won by Christ (Revelation 20:7–9). Satan is then permanently consigned to the lake of fire. At this point the second resurrection will occur, and another judgment. Unbelievers will be resurrected and judged at what is referred to as the great white throne judgment; based on their works, they will be assigned to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15).
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    The 7-Year Tribulation Period (The Time of Jacob's Trouble)

    Shortly after the Rapture, a seven-year period known in the Bible as The time of Jacob's Trouble will take place. It will begin with the signing of a peace agreement between Israel and her enemies and it will end with the physical return of Jesus Christ to set up His kingdom on earth. In between, will be seven years of terror for those on earth. The following events and trends will take place in that seven-year period:

    A man will arise who will achieve victory after victory both in politics and in war (Rev 13:7). This man, who should be easily identified by his rapid rise and popularity, is your the anti-christ. Many people believe that this person must be Jewish. That is, in order for Jews to accept him as Messiah, only a Jew will suffice. This is not necessarily the case. The Bible does not specify that he is a Jew, and it does not specify nationality. Only God-fearing Jews will require a Jewish Messiah. The liberal, ungodly Jews who dominate Israel will be as lost when it comes to Biblical truth as the Gentiles of the world and will be deceived by his charisma, and more than likely, the desires of the world’s media. Currently the new nickname for the United States is the Great Satan. This may have some significance.

    Violence will increase in all parts of the world, both nation against nation (ethnic wars) and domestically. Men will indiscriminately slay one another as peace will be removed from the earth (Rev 6:3-4)


    • There will be extreme inflation, poverty, and lack of food as one day’s wages will buy enough food for one day for one person (Rev 6:5-6).

    • In a very short period of time, one-quarter of the earth’s population will be killed due to wars, famine, pestilence and wild beasts. These wild beasts could very well be viruses, bacteria and other microbes. In late 1995, Time magazine ran a cover story on the rise of new infections and called microbes “malevolent little beasts” (Rev 6:7-8).

    • Many people will experience a religious conversion and become followers of Jesus Christ and most of these people will be hunted down and killed (Dan 7:21).

    • There will be a great earthquake, the sun will be blackened, the moon will turn red and all mountains and islands (which are underwater mountains) will be moved (Joel 2:30-32).

    • There will be a brief period of calm on the earth following this great earthquake which will give those who survive a false sense of security. One-third of the earth, one-third of all of trees and all the green grass will be burned up due to a comet or meteor that hits the earth (Rev 8:7).

    • A meteor will hit the earth causing the sea to become like blood, killing one-third of all sea creatures and destroying one-third of all shipping (Rev 8:8-9).

    • A “star” named Wormwood will fall from the sky and poison one-third of all fresh water killing many people (Rev 8:10-11).

    • The sun, moon and stars will be darkened by one-third. The day and night will be reduced by one-third. There is some speculation that this means the rotation of the earth will be changed so that a day lasts only 16 hours instead of 24 hours (Rev 8:12).

    • Fearsome locust-like beings will be released from underground who only attack people who are not followers of Jesus Christ. These attacks will be very painful but last only 5 months (Rev 9:1-11).

    • An army of 200 million horse-like (not the four horsemen) creatures will kill one-third of mankind. (Rev 9:13-19).



    • Two men (known as witnesses) of Jewish origin will preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ for 3 1/2 years and be killed at the midpoint of the 7 year tribulation. These two will be responsible for a 3 1/2 year world-wide drought and will be killed by the anti-christ (also known as the beast in the Bible).

    • People will be required to receive a mark on their right hand or forehead in order to buy and sell. Those who receive this mark will develop a loathsome and malignant sore on their bodies within a short period of time (Rev 13:13-18).

    • The oceans will chemically change and become like the blood of a dead man (congealed?) and everything in the sea will die (Rev 16:3).

    • The fresh waters will become like blood (Rev 16:4-7).

    • The sun will scorch the people on earth with fierce heat (Rev 16:8-9).

    • The throne of the anti-christ and his kingdom will become darkened (Rev 16:10-11).

    • The Euphrates river will dry up allowing the kings of the east to march westward (Rev 16:12)

    • The kings of the world will gather their armies together to battle God at Armageddon. There will be an earthquake so great that all of the mountains and islands will disappear. There will be hailstones weighing close to 100 pounds that will crush the armies that have gathered (Rev 16:17-22).

    • Shortly after this great earthquake, Jesus Christ will return with His army to claim the earth as His possession (Zech 14:3-5).

    Whats the Purpose of the Tribulation?

    1) Judge a Christ-Rejecting world (Rev 15:1, 16:1, 19:15)

    The world has mocked Jesus far too long, so God has to make the world pay.

    You may think that this is "mean,"

    No.

    Justice HAS to be served. Payment must be made when you mock God.
    His wrath has been storing in the bank for way too long, and that's why he's going to crash it all down in the world.

    2) Reveal Satan's TRUE character (Rev 12:7-12, 16)

    People are sympathetic with the devil. Stupid Hollywood making Lucifer look nice. Lol. God will show you how he really is

    3) Prove how sinful man's imagination can be (Rev 16:8-9, 10-11,21)

    When God unleashes the tribulation he's going to show that man WILL worship Satan and that they STILL won't repent. They'll blaspheme God still. This is God showing people "See, this is why you deserve hell fire."

    4) Humble the Jews (Jer 30:7-9)

    The Jews/Israel will bow at the knee once the tribulation is unleashed. They will be persecuted and humbled by God.

    5) Get people saved (Rev 6:9-11)

    This is a chance and opportunity for people left behind to get saved - although this will be the most horrible time in history to do so.
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    The False Prophet and The Mark of the Beast

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    Who is the False Prophet (Revelation 4:8)

    He appears like a harmless, religious leader but he literally speaks for the @Devil (aka Satan who enters the Anti-Christ)

    This leader is somebody that will help the world orchestrate worshipping the Anti-Christ.

    But, it will be a world-wide religious figure that will lend his credibility to the Anti-Christ and cause the world to worship him.

    The false prophet will deceive by convincing the world the Anti-Christ was killed and resurrected.

    The false prophet will also use some kind of image to represent the Anti-Christ. And if people don't worship this image, they will be put to death.

    How will the false prophet do this?

    We don't know,

    He may perhaps take advantage of hologram technology to do this on a mass scale.

    And finally,

    The False Prophet will force the world to receive the mark of the beast (the beast being the @Devil) to buy or sell

    What is the Mark of the Beast?

    A tattoo-like impression in your skin in your right hand or forehead.

    If you don't take this mark, they will also kill you.

    If you take this mark, it's an unforgivable sin and you will go to hell.

    Additionally, if you take this mark, you will suffer loathsome sores (Rev 16:1-2)

    For the first time in history, we have the technology worldwide to make this possible; a cashless society

    This will occur approximately ~the middle (after 3.5 years) of the 7-year Tribulation.

    First 3.5 years is called "The Beginning of Sorrows"
    Second 3.5 years is called "The Great Tribulation"
    For those left behind in the tribulation, here are the options:

    --Take the mark of the beast, but get loathsome sores and go to hell later

    --Accept Christ, but possibly get killed for it, but go to heaven later
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
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    That's interesting.

    I'm actually curious, how does God deal with things from the Islamic point of view
    In terms of end times? We believe that first the Mahdi (rightly guided one) will come and lead the Muslims and put things right in the world, but then when the Antichrist arrives Jesus (pbuh) will descend to fight and kill the Antichrist. Jesus (pbuh) will follow the law of Muhammad (pbuh) and refute the tenets of Christianity. But after Jesus passes away the world will descend into evil once again. Then the Muslims will be removed from the world (similar to the "Rapture") and only the worst people will remain, then it will end.

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    Film Review- Before the Wrath: Why a Rapture must Happen (2020)



    Aight, I just finished watching this film.

    Here's what's unique about a Galilean Wedding in the middle east:

    --The Bridegroom and Bride make a covenant to get married. They then separate for >1 year. Not able to see each other until the wedding date. They are to stay pure during this time



    --Nobody knows the day or hour of the wedding date. Nobody except the FATHER of the Bridegroom. This matches with scripture "nobody knows the day or hour except God the father"

    --This means that the Galilean Bridegroom and Bride are literally waiting and waiting in anticipation until the FATHER of the Bridegroom "gives the okay"

    --Once the FATHER gives the okay, The FATHER and Bridegroom literally leave in the middle of the night to meet the bride + brides woman (That is, the ones who are ready)

    --The Bridegroom would walk over to the Bride and have her sit on a type of CHAIR. She would then be LIFTED UP and carried away to the WEDDING. (This represents the CHURCH being caught up in the air during the RAPTURE)



    --Everyone who was awake and watching get to enter into the WEDDING. Galilean Weddings lasts 7 days and 7 nights (Consistent with 7-year tribulation).

    --However, once the wedding starts, the DOOR is SLAMMED SHUT, and everyone who was SLEEPING get locked out, unable to attend the wedding (WRATH)

    And like the Galilean Wedding,

    JESUS = Bridegroom
    Church = Bride



    I thought this illustration was the best part of the film. I also liked some of the theological discussions as well as the cinematography and presentation. (Kevin Sorbo, the Hercules dude, did a great job narrating)

    What I didn't like

    Being an extremely technical KJV theology-buff, I noticed that some of the bible passages weren't rightly divided between the Church (1 Thess 5:16-17) and the Tribulation-Saints Jews (Matthew 24/25). This really irritated me as the Rapture of the Church was conflated at times with the 2nd-Coming/Advent.

    Overall,

    I'd give the film about a 7/10.

    Quote Originally Posted by peteronfireee2 View Post
    Before the Wrath: Why a Rapture must Happen



    The Rapture is currently the pending event on the prophetic time-clock

    Amongst evangelical Christians,



    While discussing WHEN the rapture will occur has its place,

    This film (2020) focuses on WHY the rapture has to happen,

    From the perspective of a Galilean wedding.

    I'll post a review about it soon (Have not watched yet)

    A chart that illustrates dispensation, or dividing the Word to particular times/groups (including End Times)




    overview of the end time prophecies, including the 7 seals, 7 trumpets, and 7 bowls




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    Israel's Role During End Times

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    Conflict in Israel has been a reality whenever Israel has existed as a nation. Whether it was the Egyptians, Amalekites, Midianites, Moabites, Ammonites, Amorites, Philistines, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, or Romans, the nation of Israel has always been persecuted by its neighbors. Why is this? According to the Bible, it is because God has a special plan for the nation of Israel, and Satan wants to defeat that plan. Satanically influenced hatred of Israel—and especially Israel’s God—is the reason Israel’s neighbors have always wanted to see Israel destroyed. Whether it is Sennacherib, king of Assyria; Haman, official of Persia; ******, leader of Nazi Germany; or Rouhani, President of Iran, attempts to completely destroy Israel will always fail. The persecutors of Israel will come and go, but the persecution will remain until the second coming of Christ. As a result, conflict in Israel is not a reliable indicator of the soon arrival of the end times.

    However, the Bible does say there will be terrible conflict in Israel during the end times. That is why the time period is known as the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, and the “time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7). Here is what the Bible says about Israel in the end times:
    There will be a mass return of Jews to the land of Israel (Deuteronomy 30:3; Isaiah 43:6; Ezekiel 34:11-13; 36:24; 37:1-14).

    The Antichrist will make a 7-year covenant of "peace" with Israel (Isaiah 28:18; Daniel 9:27).

    The temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem (Daniel 9:27; Matthew 24:15; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Revelation 11:1).

    The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel, and worldwide persecution of Israel will result (Daniel 9:27; 12:1, 11; Zechariah 11:16; Matthew 24:15, 21; Revelation 12:13). Israel will be invaded (Ezekiel chapters 38-39).

    Israel will finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10). Israel will be regenerated, restored, and regathered (Jeremiah 33:8; Ezekiel 11:17; Romans 11:26).
    There is much turmoil in Israel today. Israel is persecuted, surrounded by enemies—Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, etc. But this hatred and persecution of Israel is only a hint of what will happen in the end times (Matthew 24:15-21). The latest round of persecution began when Israel was reconstituted as a nation in 1948. Many Bible prophecy scholars believed the six-day Arab-Israeli war in 1967 was the "beginning of the end." Could what is taking place in Israel today indicate that the end is near? Yes. Does it necessarily mean the end is near? No. Jesus Himself said it best, "Watch out that no one deceives you. . . . You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come" (Matthew 24:4-6).
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    Signs of End Times: Aliens & UFOs and Conspiracy theories

    Alright so unless you've been living under a rock, there has been a rise in the news of "UFO sightings" and an increase of "conspiracy theories."

    We often roll our eyes because we imagine cartoony alien beings like E.T and crazy conspiracy theorists wearing tin-foil hats.

    Well I want to reason, as a Bible-believing Christian, that these reportings may not be entirely unreasonable.

    First,

    Aliens & UFO sightings

    I think first of all we have to define what an alien & UFO is.

    I'd define an Alien as a "Foreign Invader" outside the human realm, that come from outside the earth.

    I'd define a UFO as any "Unidentified flying object," doesn't necessarily have to be a dish.

    If we look in the Bible, there are numerous examples in scripture where Aliens and UFOs were mentioned.

    Ezekiel 1- Mentions Ezekiel's encounter with winged-creatures, who flew in the heavens (Alien) Also mentions wheels, or circular rings (UFO)

    Zechariah 5- Also mentions circular objects that fly

    Rev. 12, 13- Mentions these creatures coming out of sea and then flying above.

    Rev. 9- Mentions male creatures with long hair like a woman, dressed up with a breastplate iron (possibly tech suit), sounding like chariots of horses (UFO hovering sound)

    In other words, you can view Aliens/UFOs as a type of Devil/Demon

    Conspiracy Theories

    What about conspiracy theories? Are they entirely unreasonable?

    I don't think so.

    To define conspiracy theory, I would say that:

    --It involves a secret plot to harm someone
    --Relates to government
    --Combined with religion, assassination, and a large group of people.

    If we look in the bible, there are conspiracies everywhere if we go by the above definition:

    Acts 23:15- Pharisees (a Jewish religious group) plotting to kill Paul

    2 Kings 15:25- The right hand man of the king conspiring to kill the king

    2 Kings 21:23- Servants of the king conspiring and killing the king in his own house

    etc etc, there are many many examples in the Bible


    The point is, when we hear about these things increasing in the news, it should come to no surprise; they've been mentioned in the past and will increase during End Times


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    What does the apocalypse say about how Palestinians are being treated by Israelites

    What did the Bible say about indigenous people living in Israel when the Moses tribe arrived?

    I'm asking because I don't know, but I suspect I can guess.

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    The Rapture: The Role of the Holy Spirit as the restrainer of evil



    In response to my previous post, this article I'm posting because I think people in general do not understand the whole point of the rapture.

    I'll admit, even as a Christian, it sounds ridiculous. However, when you study WHY God designed a rapture for His Church, it makes sense.

    One way you can look at the rapture is that it will result in,

    The absence of the Holy Spirit on earth.
    Now why is this significant?

    Looking at the lawlessness that is increasing around the world in our day, can you imagine what it would be like when the Church, which through the power of the Holy Spirit within is said to be the light and salt of this world, is removed at the rapture?

    Here's a visual:



    If things are bad now, those days will be ABSOLUTE CHAOS. There will be no push-back on the works of the enemy and his evil agenda and the vast majority will fall into line, thoroughly deceived and wondering in awe at the Antichrist.

    "The Church Age" began @ Pentecost. After the rapture, the Holy Spirit's restraining will depart and the Church Age will end.



    The Holy Spirit’s role (for JEWS) in the tribulation

    We need to be clear that the removal of the restrainer in relation to the coming of the Antichrist does not mean that the Holy Spirit is no longer on the earth. The Holy Spirit, being God, is omnipresent and will always be present on earth. However, his present day restraining work through the Church will be removed at the rapture before the tribulation and the Spirit’s specific role in restraining the man of lawlessness (and the spirit of lawlessness) will be removed.

    So in the tribulation period the Holy Spirit is still operating in His role to save and empower but He is not restraining the man of lawlessness and the spirit of lawlessness. With the restraining hand upon the Antichrist removed, Satan, through the Antichrist, will finally be able to perform all the signs and wonders he desires to deceive the whole world.

    …the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders, and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10
    But at the same time, the Holy Spirit will still perform His role of saving and empowering. The 144,000 (JEWS or TRIBULATION SAINTS) will be empowered by the Holy Spirit in a radical way as will the 2 witnesses. Through the ministry of the 144,000 countless people will be saved as seen in Revelation 7:9-17. But it will be an unspeakably terrible time and these believers will nearly all lose their lives. This is why, in the book of Revelation, we see the Holy Spirit encouraging the tribulation saints that though they will lose their lives, rest and rewards await!

    Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.” Rev 14:13
    Here's a visual for God's prophetic timeline. Keep this timeline in mind when processing current world events and America 2022 news.





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    Default The Rapture isn't just a Narrative; It's in the Bible




    You are right about "the rapture" being a big fat false narrative meant to ensure good devout followers of Christ just sit back and do nothing except be good little patsies who don't do anything meaningful against the PTB.

    The rapture isn't "a narrative," it's in the Bible:

    --1 Thessalonians 4:17 (From Paul)

    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    --1 Thessalonians 5:2,4,7,9-10 (From Paul)

    2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
    4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
    7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
    9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
    10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
    (Note: "DAY OF THE LORD" here is NOT the rapture. It's the 2ND COMING. "Thief in the night" means tribulation/wrath will come when the world does not expect it.)

    --2 Thessalonians 2:12-14 (From Paul)
    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 13 But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    --Luke 21:21-23,34 (From Jesus)

    21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
    22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
    34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
    (Note: This verse is referring to the JEWS during the tribulation. They are to flee and go hiding during this time since they won't be raptured until AFTER the wrath.)

    Other references:
    Matthew 24–25; ; 1 Corinthians 15; and Revelation 3, 6–18

    The rapture is also mentioned by current scholars and the early church writers:

    Irenaeus, Ephraim, Apostolic Brethren, Denysvan Leewen, Darby, Scofield, Ruckman



    But truly, Christian churches of every stripe have been DEEPLY infiltratied to create a consistent and CONTROLLED NARRATIVE. Infiltration into every kind of seminary, with now every kind of Christian teacher, pastor and priest teaching what they learned in their seminary - which is what deep chruch/deep state/Deep elite want the minion to believe about end Times. Also tell them not to worry about anything, they will be raptured out before anything bad happens, so pay no attention and do your own thing.
    ,

    The rapture = permission to be lazy?

    Nowhere in the Bible are we commanded to sit back to be lukewarm and lazy. Not sure where you're getting that from. (The modern day Christian church IS lukewarm, but that has to to do with apostasy during end times, not what the Word actually teaches).

    The Word of God tells us to be watchful until he comes, as it says in Rev. 16:15,

    15
    “Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”
    Again, the rapture isn't "a narrative" from "the deep church" but an actual prophecy mentioned in the Bible that will happen during end times. We ARE at end times, are we not?

    https://youtu.be/EB7H6L26Agc

    God designed the rapture and tribulation for specific purposes in His plan.

    The church is not appointed to God's wrath and will be raptured before tribulation happens. And again, the tribulation is so the Jews can be redeemed, fulfilling Daniel's final week prophecy.

    Now, while believing in the RAPTURE or not ISN'T essential for our salvation, IT IS correct doctrine that we ought to be educated on, especially during these times.

    It brings everything together and helps us process current day events / news and prophecy in America 2022 correctly.

    First tell them to be afraid, becaus as bad as things are, things are going to get worse and worse and worse! Also tell them not to worry about anything, they will be raptured out befr anything bad happens, so pay no attention and do your own thing.
    It's also very important that rapture is not to be conflated with the (2nd Coming / Armeggedon) - these are two SEPARATE events.

    Because of the rapture, Christian's are NOT afraid, but rather COMFORTED

    Again, Christians aren't commanded to do nothing because things are getting worse and worse (although many have fallen away). Rather, we are comforted and always need to be ready, saving as many souls as we can; why do you think I'm posting here? Lol

    Anyway, back to my original point on Rapture vs 2nd Coming,

    Dr. Gene Kim breaks this down, as these two separate events are often conflated.



    I'll write an article expanding more on the Rapture (not the 2nd Coming) next...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    once you become old, your hairs will shortly turn gray

    the book of revelation speaks to our time period even more than that of the seven churches
    If you say that something must shortly take place, that means you think it must shortly take place.

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    @Subteigh, just give it up!!! it's like this between us and you are conor mcgregor. the glory days are behind u:

    You still haven't answered my question. Do you believe Elvis is still alive? There have been millions of sightings since 1977.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    Look at the dispensation chart I posted above.

    Past- By sight
    Present- By faith not by sight
    Future (End Times)- By sight
    The Rapture isn't even in the Book of Revelation.

    The author expected (or wanted readers to expect) that the events prophesied would happen within their generation.

    As it is, the work is complete fiction.

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    Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

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    Default Matthew 24: Post Tribulation Rapture is for the JEWS (Tribulation Saints)

    Matthew 24: Post Tribulation rapture is for the JEWS (Tribulation Saints)





    Continuing on the topic of "The Rapture" since it's everyone's favorite topic.

    Did you know there were MULTIPLE raptures throughout the Bible?

    Let's see who else got raptured:

    --Enoch
    --Elijah
    --2 Witnesses will (Revelation 11)
    --Jesus
    --Lost People (Revelation 20)
    Now I want to bring to attention, Matthew 24.

    Some people bring this passage up to say that the rapture (for the Church) will happen AFTER tribulation,

    Matthew 24:29-30,

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    This chapter makes it seem like we'll have to go through tribulation.

    This is incorrect.

    Again, you have to ask the question,

    "WHICH GROUP IS BEING REFERRED TO?"
    The Word must be divided and applied to the specific time period and group.

    Not everything applies to the Church.

    Not everything applies to the Jews.

    Let's look back at Matthew 24:13,

    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    Let's also look at Matthew 24:3 (Disciples asking Jesus about end times)

    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    In Matthew 24,

    Here Jesus is referring to the JEWS / Tribulation Saints.

    These Tribulation people have to ENDURE to the end, NOT the church, who is saved by FAITH alone.

    Again,

    "Enduring to the End!!!" applies to Jews / Tribulation saints resisting @ End Times. ("DO NOT TAKE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!")

    Otherwise, why would us Christians have to "Endure to the End" and resist the Mark of the Beast, if Jesus already died on the cross for us?

    We've been saved through faith. Our salvation CANNOT be lost.



    Pre-Tribulation Rapture = The Church
    Post-Tribulation Rapture = The Jews / Tribulation Saints
    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    The conclusion of scholars is generally that the author was possibly a drug taker, and that they were referring to their own times. They were referring to the Roman Empire and its Emperor.

    But the fact that everyone can adjust the "prophecy" to their own requirements only shows that its not precise.
    @Subteigh,

    I'll give you a hint,

    Look into prophetic requirements,

    Look into "double application" or "double requirement"



    Quote Originally Posted by Subteigh View Post
    Ideally, a prediction should be made on the best available evidence and qualified in proportion to the strength of the evidence. When a scientist says they believe there is a 5% chance of rain, that does not mean that it won't rain.

    Your biblical "prophecies" are not based on evidence. There is no evidence that those who wrote them were informed by a being who knows what will happen in the future. There is however clear evidence that verses were written as "prophecies" after the events mentioned had already happened, and also that verses were written prophesying things that did not happen and can never happen. Also, many of the "prophecies" claimed to have been fulfilled in the New Testament were written based on misunderstandings of Old Testament verses, and thus do not even qualify as prophecies. This is in conjunction with the scientific, historical, and grammatical and spelling errors in the work.

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblic...entific_errors

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblic..._foreknowledge

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_contradictions

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biblical_prophecies
    God created the universe dude.

    That's not going to fit neatly into your little "scientific evidence" requirements that comes out of your limited human brain / understanding.

    "Science" can't explain everything, especially when it comes to things beyond this realm, yet people like you idolize it, like the tower of babel.

    Science will not save you
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    Yes. Events that will take place shortly, once they begin.
    Since you’re citing Revelation:

    “Behold, I am coming quickly, and my reward is with me, to repay each according to his work.”

    Is it only the “coming quickly” part of this verse you believe, or have you noticed yet that Jesus preaches salvation based on works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    Salvation is through faith alone.

    On rewards in heaven:
    So once again you ignore the clear and direct words of Jesus, the supposed founder of your religion, in favor of Paul. Every source you quoted is an epistle of Paul, or a Paulinist in the case of Hebrews. You cannot make the case for faith-based salvation by citing Jesus, and you twist everything he said to make him accord with Paul, rather than the other way around. It's never Pauline doctrine that gets compromised for Jesus for some reason.

    Why should anyone take you seriously when you look at a direct statement of Jesus and ignore it? If you ignore Jesus' words, why should anyone else believe them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    Reread what I wrote (I added additional info)

    This verse is talking about the rapture.

    "the hour of trial" is referring to the tribulation.
    Again, you distort Jesus' words to make them accord with Paul's. But fine. I could cite any number of Jesus' words on salvation.

    Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: (33) Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? (34) And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him...So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
    This is a parable I assume you're familiar with, in which God forgives someone, and then revokes this forgiveness because the recipient failed to forgive others; in other words, because he failed to perform good works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    This parable is about the importance of forgiving others since Jesus forgave us (see the Lord's prayer in 6:12)

    Not doing so will result in God chastising us (see 1 Cor 11:30-32, Heb 12:5-11), not taking away salvation.

    You won't be able to stump me, sorry
    Are you seriously citing Paul again?

    If this is how determined you are to ignore the words of your own god then further discussion with you is pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Are you seriously citing Paul again?

    If this is how determined you are to ignore the words of your own god then further discussion with you is pointless.
    Why Pauline Christianity is wrong:

    Commonly, those who hold to the theory (Pauline Christianity) also believe the following:

    1) Jesus was not divine. He never claimed to be God, and he never intended to start a new religion.

    2) The Bible is not an inspired book and is riddled with contradictions. None of the Bible, except possibly the book of James, was written by anyone who knew Jesus. There are fragments of Jesus’ teachings in the Gospels, but it is difficult to discern what he really said.

    3) Paul was never a Pharisee and was not highly educated. His “conversion” was either a personal hallucinogenic experience or an outright fraud. His claims to be an apostle were attempts to further his own authority in the church.

    4) Pauline theological “inventions” include a) the deity of Jesus; b) salvation by grace through faith; c) salvation through the blood of Jesus; d) the sinless nature of Jesus; e) the concept of original sin; and f) the Holy Spirit. None of these “new doctrines” were accepted by Jesus’ true followers.

    5) The Gnostic Gospels are closer to the truth about Jesus than are the traditional four Gospels of the Bible.

    The concept of “Pauline Christianity” represents an outright attack on the Bible as the Word of God. Adherents of the “Pauline Christianity” theory are truly misrepresenting Jesus’ teachings. They choose to believe His words on love but deny His teachings on judgment (such as Matthew 24). They insist on a human Jesus, denying His divinity, although Jesus plainly taught His equality with God in passages such as John 10:30. They want a “loving” Jesus without having to accept Him as Lord and Savior.

    Any time a skeptic finds a “disagreeable” doctrine in the Bible, he is likely to say, “That passage has been corrupted,” or, “Paul wrote that, and we know he was a liar.” Where the Gospels teach a “Pauline” doctrine, such as Jesus’ atonement for sin in John 1:29, the skeptic dismisses it as “inserted by devotees of Paul.” In reality, the skeptic’s only basis for such a selective approach to Scripture is a personal bias against the idea of Jesus’ atonement.

    Interestingly, Paul’s credentials as an apostle were attacked, even in his own lifetime, by those who desired to lead the church into legalism and other errant ideologies. Paul defends himself from the spurious attacks of false teachers in 1 Corinthians 9; 2 Corinthians 12; and Galatians 1.

    Paul’s apostleship is attested to by the miracles he performed (Romans 15:19), the training he received (Galatians 1:15-20), and the testimony of the other apostles. Peter, far from being Paul’s enemy, wrote this about him: “Our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction” (2 Peter 3:15-16).
    Don't be a Pauline Christianity follower, @FreelancePoliceman

    @pandemic candy

    Paul’s name is a short form of Pauxillus. In Latin, this means “least.” In Matt. 5:19, Jesus says those in the kingdom will call the ones teaching you not to follow the Law the “least.” Who did Jesus mean?
    Those who do not follow the law (are considered the least) and those that follow the law (are considered the most). Again, this is not referring to salvation, but rewards/status in heaven. In heaven, both (those who follow the law) as well as (those who do not follow the law) will be there.

    Basically, one is not required to follow the law to attain salvation, but striving to be a faithful servant results in rewards. It also helps disciples be powerful influences (or salts and lights of the world)

    Jesus' Ministry Vs Paul's Ministry



    Anybody that has hatred towards Paul, or tells you to ignore Paul (Pauline Christianity) are

    DECEIVERS and LIARS.

    Satan has a way of confusing people.

    There are 66 books in the Bible;

    --39 Old Testament.
    --27 New Testament.
    Paul wrote 14 Books of the Bible, which means Paul wrote,

    --21% of the entire Bible
    --52% of the New Testament.
    Yet there are people that want to take Paul out of the Bible.

    So then, WHY is Paul included in the Bible?

    Jesus' ministry- Jesus was a Jew. He came for Jews. To fulfill the LAW of the Jews. Their salvation was based on WHO JESUS WAS to the Jews (Kingdom of Heaven)

    Paul's ministry- Jesus revealed the gospel to Paul (Galatians 1:12). Paul was to minister to GENTILES. Our salvation is based on WHAT JESUS DID on the cross (Kingdom of God)
    Again, this is why putting in the proper context and dividing the Word is so important.

    This is why reading the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) *may* seem strange (a lot of wrath, enduring to the end, judgement, etc) - it's because it was mainly about Jesus ministering primarily for the JEWS at the time.

    The Book of Acts is a transitional book taking place during the Apostle Peter's ministry, switching from JEW to GENTILE.

    And in the book of Acts, since the Jewish nation, Israel, STILL rejected Jesus as Messiah, God's focus switches from the JEWS to GENTILES (Book of Romans --> Philemon)

    Therefore,

    The Church Age Doctrine is under PAUL'S ministry, which is based on the Book of Romans --> Philemon.

    Again, if you ever hear someone say,

    "When you preach Paul you are down-grading Jesus!!!"

    And my response to that,

    "1000x NOOOOOO!!!!!"

    When you rightly divide scripture and study WHY Paul is in the Bible, it actually

    GLORIFIES and MAGNIFIES JESUS!!!

    Revisiting James - Faith without Works "is Dead !!!"
    Quote Originally Posted by FreeLancePoliceman
    I've studied the bible as a whole; I promise I've studied it better than you. There's no "context" missing here. Paul says faith-alone saves; James says "As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds, and not by faith alone." There's no possible "context" that can make James say the exact opposite of what he says here.
    Putting everything into context and rightly dividing the Word,

    The Book of James was written by James, Jesus' disciple (Peter, JAMES, John), before Paul's Epistles. (He's writing to JEWS during the Apostle Peter's ministry, or the EARLY CHURCH age. BEFORE Paul's ministry. The Book of James is also relevant in the context of revelation, where Faith+Works is needed during the Tribulation.

    As we know by dispensation, the Old Testament Jews were about FAITH + WORKS, so we can understand why James was going on and on about FAITH + WORKS. When Apostle Paul took over (after the stoning of Stephen), Paul was all about "Faith alone", "Faith alone", "Faith alone"

    WHY then, was this Book included in the New Testament when it seemed to contradict Paul?

    --Again, the Book of James still had application during Paul's time; Christians cannot disciple / profit / reach out to other Christians without works. Fruits are needed to profit others. James is still a great "How To" Book for Christians (Although "Dead Works" is probably a better expression than "Dead faith."). Christians, after being saved through faith (justification), are able to grow through works (sanctification).

    --The Book of James has application for the future, (7-year tribulation). Tribulation Saints (Jews) will be saved via FAITH + WORKS.

    -- Remember, the main REASON Jews need WORKS for their salvation is because they rejected Jesus, their Messiah
    When you apply the context + divide the word, everything comes together.

    If you don't, and try to combine everything together, you run into contradictions everywhere.

    There's a reason we don't sacrifice animals and burn chickens.

    Summary of Salvation Plans

    OT JEWS= FAITH + WORKS

    NT CHURCH= FAITH ALONE

    TRIBULATION SAINTS (JEWS)= FAITH + WORKS
    (Rev 12:17, Rev 14:12)
    **FYI, everything I post has been filtered through Bible-believing pastors, not exactly my own opinion**



    Faith Only Salvation

    We have Free-Will to fall away (or not) as disciples of Christ. Yes, you can be saved and be a “lazy” Christian, (Although God doesn’t recommend this. You certainly won’t be winning many crowns in heaven.)

    If we’re talking about a Christian that let’s say turned Atheist after going to college; the question becomes whether they truly accepted Christ in the first place (Only God can be the judge of that). If it was genuine, they’ll still go to heaven (Our works doesn't affect salvation once we’re sealed, good nor bad. You can think of it like an insurance policy for your soul)

    Our salvation (of our Spirit/Soul), however, is FOREVER sealed by the Holy Spirit because of what Jesus Christ did on the cross for our past present and future sins (of our Body/Flesh). (Colossians 1:22-23, Colossians 5:8) This doesn’t mean we don’t believe in repentance, we certainly do (Romans 2:4-5), “There’s nothing I can do about my sin condition,” which leads us into Faith, not works (Ephesians 2:1-9), which then leads us into security of our eternal salvation (1 John 5:13).

    Our WORKS (whether good or bad, it doesn’t matter) does *not affect salvation*. In your example, “rejecting Jesus” later in life is considered a WORK (albeit a bad one). So it still doesn’t matter. They are saved. Anyone that associates WORKS with Salvation is teaching a heresy.

    You can be crying on your death bed “I DON’T WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN” Doesn't matter. Once saved you’re forever sealed by the Holy Spirit.

    Don't hesitate, get SAVED today!!!
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    @pandemic candy

    Paul’s name is a short form of Pauxillus. In Latin, this means “least.” In Matt. 5:19, Jesus says those in the kingdom will call the ones teaching you not to follow the Law the “least.” Who did Jesus mean?
    "I use the U. S. Mail because I was never taught any different," she pleaded. "But I'm not your enemy. I don't want to be."

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    Again, this is not referring to salvation, but rewards/status in heaven. In heaven, both (those who follow the law) as well as (those who do not follow the law) will be there.

    What a tortured interpretation of the text.

    By the way, since you claim to believe the whole Bible, what do you make of the epistle of James? It reads like a point-by-point refutation of Paul, so I'm very curious how you square it with Paul.

    Gal 2:16; Romans 3:28: Justification is by faith not works of the Law.

    James 2:24: Justification is by works not faith alone
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    Gal 3:6; Romans 4:3: Quotes Genesis 15:6, Faith made Abraham right with God.

    James 2:22-23: Quotes Genesis 15:6, his faith and deeds worked together
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    Gal 3:20; Romans 3:30: God is one.

    James 2:14-19: You believe God is one, good but even demons believe that!
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    Gal 3:23: We were captive under the law.

    James 1:25: The law makes people free
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    Gal 5:18, Rom 8:2 & 10:4: We are not under the law.

    James 2:10-13: We will be judged according to the law, but there is mercy for the merciful
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    Romans 5:20: God sent the law to increase sin
    Romans 7 5: law works in our members to bring sin and death
    Romans 7:7, not know to lust / covet had law not told me not to covet
    1 Cor. 15:56 "sinful passions...[are] coming into active exercise through the law" literally,
    "the strength of sin is the law" (KJV / NIV)

    James 1:13-15: God tempts no one. Desire causes sin which causes death
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    Gal 1:12-16, 2 Cor.12:1-7 Paul did not learn from the other apostles but by direct revelation from Christ above

    James 3:14-15: If you are jealous & ambitious, do not boast & lie. This isn't the wisdom that comes down from above.
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    Gal 1:20 "before God, I do not lie!"

    James 5:12 Do not Swear by heaven or earth, but let your "yes" be yes and your "no" be no
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    1Cor 9:15, 2 Cor 10:14-15, 11:21-23, 2 Cor 12:11-12, Phil 3:8-9, I Thes 2:7-12

    James 3:5: Don't Boast!
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    Gal 1:8-9: Paul curses the one preaching "a different Gospel"

    James 3:9: Don't curse!

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    Martin Luther:

    “Many sweat hard at reconciling James with Paul, but unsuccessfully. ‘Faith justifies’ [Romans 3:28] stands in flat contradiction to ‘faith does not justify’ [James 2:24.] If anyone can harmonize these sayings, I’ll put my doctor’s cap on him and let him call me a fool.”
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    James was basically the "how-to" book of the Christian life. He basically offered instruction to the Jewish Christians undergoing a hard time; they were struggling with worldliness, fought among themselves, favored the rich over the poor, and lost their original love for one another.

    In essence, James says works is a byproduct of genuine faith. For example, if you really loved your mom, it would show through your actions. Aka when you really believe in something, you will usually be inspired to act upon that belief. James was basically sounding a wake-up call to all Christians: "GET YOUR LIFE IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU BELIEVE, STOP BEING A BUM"
    If only Luther had you around to explain everything to him. "Just don't take Jesus, James, or John literally, bro! They don't mean what they say; they're only writing "how-to" books! Only Paul should be taken literally! Thank God we have Paul so we can take anything those other three said to mean the exact opposite of its literal reading!"

    "As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds, and not by faith alone." You cannot reconcile this with Paul. James clearly and literally refutes faith-aloneism; it's not possible to be any clearer than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    Bro. That's why I get annoyed when these little atheists think they're so smart pick-pocketing little verses out of context. You need to actually study the bible as a whole. Again:

    When you study it properly, it all comes together
    I've studied the bible as a whole; I promise I've studied it better than you. There's no "context" missing here. Paul says faith-alone saves; James says "As you can see, a man is justified by his deeds, and not by faith alone." There's no possible "context" that can make James say the exact opposite of what he says here.

    I'm going to stop replying since you aren't engaging with anything I've said. No matter how much you cite Paul you can't make James say the opposite of what he says.
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    Light of the World

    Shine BRIGHT

    Don't let Evil Grow ......Into something you can't handle.

    Cell: “You shouldn’t be throwing your life away like this. No one will know. Just let me leave.”

    Trunks:There is someone watching. And laughing. A friend of mine that you killed in the past. He’s someone I could never let down.


    Cell: “Don’t worry. You’ll be seeing your friend shortly.


    Trunks: “We’ll see about that.”


    Cell: “Yes we will. You won’t be alone. There’s a long list. Now you too will be a part of me. That’s right. I’m going to suck you up. Your energy will be refreshing. A nice treat to start off my journey in the time machine.”


    Trunks: “Enough, you freak!”


    Cell: “Don’t you shush me, you little punk!”


    Trunks: “You’re overconfident, Cell.”


    Cell: “There’s no reason not to be. I’ve come across thousands like you.”


    Trunks: “Yes you have. But count me as the last!






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    Quote Originally Posted by pandemic candy View Post
    So it doesn't say anything directly.

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    Get on da Lifeboat, Son



    Even though there’s mass chaos around us and things seem to be falling apart; this is only true if we look at things from the world’s paradigm

    From a Christian paradigm, all this was to be expected, and things are actually coming together

    Even though the Titanic is supposedly sinking, there is a lifeboat, and that lifeboat is Jesus Christ.

    If you haven’t accepted Jesus Christ into your life, it’s never too late. It also requires no effort or “being religious” on your part; simply realize you are a sinner and in need of a saviour - this is Jesus Christ. Accept Him into your life as your Lord and Savior, who died on the cross for the sins of the world, that’s it!!

    As it says in John 3:16,

    For God so Loved the World, that He gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.


    For those that are already saved, use this time to warn others and also try to get as many other people on the lifeboat as well!!

    Be the one to instill the Hope that people need.

    Here is Dr Kynan going through this simple process :



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