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    Do you?

    Do you think this is type related? If yes, then which types always think?

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    Intuitives are always thinking. Vastly over thinking is more like it...

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    I guess -- but does anyone not?
    φιλοκαλοῦμέν τε γὰρ μετ᾽ εὐτελείας καὶ φιλοσοφοῦμεν ἄνευ μαλακίας.

    It’s hard to translate this literally and poetically into English, but this is my attempt at a translation: “For we love beauty, that we attain good ends thereby, and we love wisdom, though not in a way that makes us soft, nor that causes us to value weakness.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I guess -- but does anyone not?

    I don't think. I remember when I first realized that I don't. I had some task that I had to think about and my mind was empty, and it hit me that that's always the case. Not thinking is my natural state.

    But I always sense, and I can't turn it off.

    I think it is very type related: Thinkers think. My LII friend has told me the opposite: That at some point he realized that he always thinks.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Descartes was LII, wasn't he?

    Other types have to say things like "Sentio, ergo sum" etc
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    I wait for the occasion if we mean thinking being logic. Otherwise it is like formation of some weird images from synthetic connections, mb.

    Rational types tend to format their in comprehensible manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    I don't think. I remember when I first realized that I don't. I had some task that I had to think about and my mind was empty, and it hit me that that's always the case. Not thinking is my natural state.

    But I always sense, and I can't turn it off.

    I think it is very type related: Thinkers think. My LII friend has told me the opposite: That at some point he realized that he always thinks.
    That’s really interesting. I have a tendency to just assume everyone thinks in similar ways as me, so I’m always surprised to find that people are different.

    I suppose it’s too much to ask that you try to describe in detail not doing something, but you just don’t have ideas in this “default” state? Like, you can just smell something, and not start thinking about (for instance) how that smell made you feel as a child, then evaluating your thoughts/feelings on the smell and associated feelings it evokes, then thinking about the course of your life — or something like that?

    Actually, I wasn’t thinking (lol) about this subject very much until I read your post, but I remember now saying to my mother when I was very young “Mom, I can’t ever stop thinking!” as if I had made an important discovery. She was amused. A few times since then she’s said about herself that she habitually “doesn’t think” most of the time. I never believed her; it made me angry that she was putting herself down. I felt she just lacked confidence in her intelligence, so she never tried to understand things. Again, when I was an obnoxious little kid, I’d try to talk to her a lot to explain to her things I’d learned I felt she should know, which I thought if she contemplated would spark curiosity, interest, and drive in her, and I was always disappointed that she didn’t seem all that interested in anything I said. Lol. Embarrassing to think about.
    φιλοκαλοῦμέν τε γὰρ μετ᾽ εὐτελείας καὶ φιλοσοφοῦμεν ἄνευ μαλακίας.

    It’s hard to translate this literally and poetically into English, but this is my attempt at a translation: “For we love beauty, that we attain good ends thereby, and we love wisdom, though not in a way that makes us soft, nor that causes us to value weakness.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    That’s really interesting. I have a tendency to just assume everyone thinks in similar ways as me, so I’m always surprised to find that people are different.

    I suppose it’s too much to ask that you try to describe in detail not doing something, but you just don’t have ideas in this “default” state? Like, you can just smell something, and not start thinking about (for instance) how that smell made you feel as a child, then evaluating your thoughts/feelings on the smell and associated feelings it evokes, then thinking about the course of your life — or something like that?

    Actually, I wasn’t thinking (lol) about this subject very much until I read your post, but I remember now saying to my mother when I was very young “Mom, I can’t ever stop thinking!” as if I had made an important discovery. She was amused. A few times since then she’s said about herself that she habitually “doesn’t think” most of the time. I never believed her; it made me angry that she was putting herself down. I felt she just lacked confidence in her intelligence, so she never tried to understand things. Again, when I was an obnoxious little kid, I’d try to talk to her a lot to explain to her things I’d learned I felt she should know, which I thought if she contemplated would spark curiosity, interest, and drive in her, and I was always disappointed that she didn’t seem all that interested in anything I said. Lol. Embarrassing to think about.
    Your take on Fe-egos is interesting. It gets a "like". SEI/IEI are lovely. They will act interested in technical matters but, during texting they respond with such discussions with Fe.

    Fe is awesome but not for Ti discussion. Kinda interested to hear Ti-ego's opinion here
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    If "think" refers to rationalize then I do it way too much. Ti-subtypes like me overthink, which isn't a good thing because our senses are disconnected way too much. If "think" refers to balanced processes acquiring information and rationalizing it then most people do. N- and S-subtypes don't rationalize enough but they do do it; otherwise, they'd be vegetables. Ips and to a lesser extent Ejs often react before they rationalize but that's not the norm. Many Eps have been known to often put their noses where they shouldn't have so many may wonder what they were thinking at the time.

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    Yeah I think a lot but that tends to lead to more overthinking then anything. Trying to get better at it. I like to think, question, and ponder but there is a line that goes to far and I can cross it very easily if I am not careful. I respond better to the environment and act when I don't think too much.

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    I'm cautious and pause for considerations. IRL I say things like "thinking things through" or "haven't decided yet", which I associate with being deliberate.

    @myresearch, is this a trick question?

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    Everyone thinks but yes some types are more prone to overthinking. And no, I don't consider it an egocentric thing @DEAD

    And of course, non-type related factors can cause overthinking as well.

    For example in this video, the overthinking stems from anxiety due to inexperience:

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    I think it's partly the reason why you won't see certain types, such as nerdy LIIs, in sports like the NBA

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    EVERY single time I space out some fucking npc comes over and remarks upon it awaking me from my moment of bliss. Seems this simulation is one of those games that you cannot pause.
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    I don't always think, but I used to in the past.
    So no.
    Staying aware without thinking is one of the most liberating experiences one can have in life.
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    I think the content of thoughts and the focus of attention may vary between type to type. I'm more happy thinking in task at hand and solutions to material/practical issues or tasks.
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    I used to think a lot more before, thinking I had to think things through. All the things all the time. It was mostly motivated by stress of not doing enough to fit into society. I wanted to find the objective and absolute answers that would lead to peace all the time. What an idealist I was.
    It was never enough tho. Thinking is a tool and isn't cut to deal with everything sadly.

    Now I can stare at a wall empty headed for 2h, lol.
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    It's also important to point out,

    overthinking does not necessarily equate to being more knowledgeable / correct. I think people wrongly conflate those ideas as well.
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    @DEAD

    An Fi-ego, for example, is not going to be overly-concerned/obsessed with precision when they're using Ti in comparison to a Ti-ego.

    But they can certainly use Ti.

    And they can even be more knowledgeable/correct/smarter than a Ti-user.

    Makes sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thistle View Post
    @myresearch, is this a trick question?
    It isn't a trick question. I thought strong N types and/or Ti types can be more prone to it based on the statement of people I know in real life, wanted to check that. However, there could be some other typology factors that can lead this that I was missing, also wanted to see that.

    Regardless of socionics and typology in general, there are other factors that can make a person's psyche work this way and I thought people here on this forum would be more prone to think always regardless of their type. Also wanted to check that.

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    Constantly. I can't turn it off even if I wanted to.
    What good is a book that does not even transport us beyond all books?

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    No not really, I’m mostly on autopilot mentally. I go through the motions and leave thinking out of the way, only exceptions is when Im trying to understand something I’m interested in or something that’s affecting me emotionally.

    I also just like to experience life through my emotions because they rarely lie, my thoughts be abusing and gaslighting me into believing shit that’s not true so I doubt myself. :///
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    This makes me wonder about wanting to turn off/on thinking, I think it could be an interesting addition.
    Can you switch from one state to an other by deciding to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowers and sugar View Post
    This makes me wonder about wanting to turn off/on thinking, I think it could be an interesting addition.
    Can you switch from one state to an other by deciding to?
    If you are always thinking, that means you cannot turn it off. I thought that was implied but people may thought otherwise ofcourse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    If you are always thinking, that means you cannot turn it off. I thought that was implied but people may thought otherwise ofcourse.
    Not everyone is always thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    It isn't a trick question. I thought strong N types and/or Ti types can be more prone to it based on the statement of people I know in real life, wanted to check that. However, there could be some other typology factors that can lead this that I was missing, also wanted to see that.

    Regardless of socionics and typology in general, there are other factors that can make a person's psyche work this way and I thought people here on this forum would be more prone to think always regardless of their type. Also wanted to check that.
    Thanks for the explanation. I see people analysing things that seem open-ended and frustratingly unresolvable on the forum more than I do outside of it.

    I agree that there are other factors involved, e.g. Racing thoughts are not logical, having one's guard up can be rooted in fear rather than type.

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    I ruminate, ponder, wonder, daydream, visualize but do I think?

    No.

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    I typically do use forethought, even if I’m being “spontaneous.” I am not attracted to dangerous sensory stimulation in search of some sx high for example, and I’ll never be impulsive enough for that probably (unless major personality changes). Si has a capacity for “high” or intensity in its own way. Fear is not thrilling to me.

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    It is very difficult to say. There's usually something going on in my mind but at the same time I'm really not thinking anything in particular. Half the time I think somebody is talking in my head and I'm just there casually in the other room listening.

    I am capable of active thinking as well, as in, verbalizing images into words and logic. But that takes a bit more effort.

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    I'm online a lot just so I don't have to think. Without any distraction, it's really uncomfortable because I try to think to entertain myself but I really don't know what to think about and I get bored. I'm okay if I'm watching waves from the shore or watching clouds move, but if the environment is too still, I feel very uncomfortable.

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    'Thought is trespass, the enemy ...'

    I think we can underestimate how tremendously hard it is to think. When we're not just proceeding out of habit, perhaps some shocking event gets us to think.

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