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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    Ehh if it bothers you, just focus on your actual qualities separate from your type. Then what you should probably do is either question your type and become homeless type like me, or start posting to break everyone's stereotypes of SEIs, and never give up posting to stop people from stereotyping you.

    I'm 4w3 though, not 9w1 so my advice probably doesn't make a bunch of sense to someone that avoids conflict though. :\

    Also I could probably be any type according to forum members,

    Am I SEI?
    Am I IEI?
    Or could I possibly be any type at all but not SEI?
    Or do I scream rationality so hard that I have to be a deranged ESE-Si or EIE-Ni or (lol) ESI/EII?

    So I wouldn't trust myself right now personally for SEI to SEI advice...
    Tbh, even if you end up not being SEI, breaking SEI stereotypes is great.
    I can barely articulate this, forgive me, but I think there's something truly wonderful in Si that gets lost in the stereotypes, and I'm unhappy about that. Those stereotypes are taking so much away, making Si unidimentional and uninteresting.
    So far, the SEIs around either aren't SEI or SEIs stereotypes are dumb.
    There are types whose stereotypes makes them inhumane, thinking a type makes people who cannot ever get mad or choke everyone with freshly baked cookies is nuts.

    I have no idea of your type, I'm only starting to get to know IEI-ness, SEI-ness is still a long way to go.

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    The Alpha quadra always gets the least amount of views here, so are you guys so good at being evil & deceptive you go un-noticed or are you so good at being good people don't pay much attention to alpha because Good = Boring, and it's kinda like a story with no villain, no conflict, or no complex plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    The Alpha quadra always gets the least amount of views here, so are you guys so good at being evil & deceptive you go un-noticed or are you so good at being good people don't pay much attention to alpha because Good = Boring, and it's kinda like a story with no villain, no conflict, or no complex plot.
    Do we get the least amount of views?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    Do we get the least amount of views?
    Yes we do

    like it's usually around 10-20 people

    wouldn't say it's all boring though

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    SEI - compassion
    ESE - effort
    ILE - cleverness
    LII- logic

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    The Alpha quadra always gets the least amount of views here, so are you guys so good at being evil & deceptive you go un-noticed or are you so good at being good people don't pay much attention to alpha because Good = Boring, and it's kinda like a story with no villain, no conflict, or no complex plot.
    You equate Alphas and good? Why?
    φιλοκαλοῦμέν τε γὰρ μετ᾽ εὐτελείας καὶ φιλοσοφοῦμεν ἄνευ μαλακίας.

    It’s hard to translate this literally and poetically into English, but this is my attempt at a translation: “For we love beauty, that we attain good ends thereby, and we love wisdom, though not in a way that makes us soft, nor that causes us to value weakness.”

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    I like alpha NT’s, but alpha SF can (by pattern, not individual exception), be harder as for me.

    My favorite types are SLE and LII for interacting with others, and LIE-Ni can be ok, but LIE-Te is too painful. Mature, caring LIE-Ni who are not overly harsh on me can be helpful in giving me constructive feedback.
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    @MidnightWilderness

    Being "chill" or "cute" really isn't a strength?? It's just an ordinary personality trait. I hate being associated with those things, I hate it so much it makes my blood boil.

    You want to know why I hate being seen as "cute"? Because it sounds demeaning, infantilizing and like people don't want to take me seriously.
    I was being facetious: I understood the point of the thread to list stereotypes, and stereotypes are always reductionist; I was also trying to be funny by using one word beginning with a "k" sound to describe each type. I didn't mean for my post to be taken seriously or offend anyone.

    I do often see SEIs as "cute," in the way someone could find a dog cute. I don't think this is something I can easily change. But I also don't see why it's wrong to think that way, and I don't think it causes me to treat the type with any particular disrespect or to infantilize them. It's more that a typical SEI's relaxed demeanor and expressivity triggers similar neural feedbacks as dogs or young kids, and makes me enjoy their company, makes me want to talk and laugh and make jokes more; things like that.

    How would you like to be seen?
    φιλοκαλοῦμέν τε γὰρ μετ᾽ εὐτελείας καὶ φιλοσοφοῦμεν ἄνευ μαλακίας.

    It’s hard to translate this literally and poetically into English, but this is my attempt at a translation: “For we love beauty, that we attain good ends thereby, and we love wisdom, though not in a way that makes us soft, nor that causes us to value weakness.”

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    You equate Alphas and good? Why?
    Not necessarily at all, I'm just trying to figure out why the Alpha section gets the least traffic on the site. What is it about the Alpha quadra that doesn't gather as much attention as the other sections etc. If not 'goodness' than what is it?

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    Alphas don't value both Te and Se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post


    Not necessarily at all, I'm just trying to figure out why the Alpha section gets the least traffic on the site. What is it about the Alpha quadra that doesn't gather as much attention as the other sections etc. If not 'goodness' than what is it?
    Alphas are least interested with their own kind, because alpha's democratic approach doesn't even have their own kind.

    The active alpha member number is lesser than the rest. There are no ESEs. Most of the SEI/ILE users are joined recently.

    Alphas often keeps everthing generalized, so active users tend to open threads on other sections and threads are generally for all types.

    Alphas are more prone to keep the juicy stuff to themselves. Some says otherwise, but I don't see them sharing it, only seeing them asking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
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    I was being facetious: I understood the point of the thread to list stereotypes, and stereotypes are always reductionist; I was also trying to be funny by using one word beginning with a "k" sound to describe each type. I didn't mean for my post to be taken seriously or offend anyone.

    I do often see SEIs as "cute," in the way someone could find a dog cute. I don't think this is something I can easily change. But I also don't see why it's wrong to think that way, and I don't think it causes me to treat the type with any particular disrespect or to infantilize them. It's more that a typical SEI's relaxed demeanor and expressivity triggers similar neural feedbacks as dogs or young kids, and makes me enjoy their company, makes me want to talk and laugh and make jokes more; things like that.

    How would you like to be seen?
    I don't think chill or cute should be included as a greatest strength, it would have been more appropriate in a another thread although okay, you were being facetious, but everyone else seemed to give similar attributes that I highly disagree with. It just seemed awfully lame for a thread titled "Greatest Strength". It doesn't really matter how I would like to be seen, it's just that others have never described me as being any of these things. Also I got a *little* upset at this thread so I decided to just rant all my feelings.

    Apparently I only come off as a "troll" pretending to be SEI, because I say too much stuff against the typing. At this point I have been kicked out of Alpha Quadra with slim chance of return, Freelance. So I can no longer speak on behalf of SEIs. Everyone will probably be confused as to what type I am for a long time, since I seem to come off as pretty much any ethical type to some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    I don't think chill or cute should be included as a greatest strength, it would have been more appropriate in a another thread although okay, you were being facetious, but everyone else seemed to give similar attributes that I highly disagree with. It just seemed awfully lame for a thread titled "Greatest Strength". It doesn't really matter how I would like to be seen, it's just that others have never described me as being any of these things. Also I got a *little* upset at this thread so I decided to just rant all my feelings.

    Apparently I only come off as a "troll" pretending to be SEI, because I say too much stuff against the typing. At this point I have been kicked out of Alpha Quadra with slim chance of return, Freelance. So I can no longer speak on behalf of SEIs. Everyone will probably be confused as to what type I am for a long time, since I seem to come off as pretty much any ethical type to some people.

    I still believe in you! I may be the only person who does, but I'll fight for your inclusion in the quadra! Lol.

    Hm, some other good qualities about SEIs: perceptive, compassionate, considerate, cautious, non-judgemental of other people, easily pick themselves back up after defeat, usually have good taste.
    φιλοκαλοῦμέν τε γὰρ μετ᾽ εὐτελείας καὶ φιλοσοφοῦμεν ἄνευ μαλακίας.

    It’s hard to translate this literally and poetically into English, but this is my attempt at a translation: “For we love beauty, that we attain good ends thereby, and we love wisdom, though not in a way that makes us soft, nor that causes us to value weakness.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I still believe in you! I may be the only person who does, but I'll fight for your inclusion in the quadra! Lol.

    Hm, some other good qualities about SEIs: perceptive, compassionate, considerate, cautious, non-judgemental of other people, easily pick themselves back up after defeat, usually have good taste.
    Uhm I can be those things but not always...

    How people have described me (not all good qualities):

    Smart
    Crazy
    Moody
    Shy
    Overly self-conscious
    Ridiculously high standards (comparing myself to idealized images or others)
    Overly Idealistic
    Lack of attention
    Never gets anything done in real life but has big dreams - too inert and lack of focus on the moment
    Bit stubborn sometimes (esp. in regards to my dreams, hence "dreams forever")
    Empathetic/Sympathetic
    Good writer (only a few people think this)
    good Fe/Fi
    Stupid
    Withdrawn/self absorbed
    Deluded
    Pretentious
    Down to Earth (in a not pretentious way)
    Bittersweet outlook, sees positives but doesn't deny the negatives of the world
    Maybe kind and compassionate
    Stressed over perceived flaws/weaknesses
    How perceptive I seem depends on who you ask

    All of this is kind of subjective and depends on who you talk to. Also I mentioned I was self-conscious, so I could just be giving myself more negative attributes but I think it's accurate.

    Emotional Outpourings:


    Biggest Weakness:

    Yeah most of my qualities aren't really good, especially (Never gets anything done in real life but has big dreams) which is my biggest flaw. If I could focus though, I would have a greater chance of actually making it big. I hate to say it because it makes me look like a loser, and probably most people can't understand why I have a lack of focus, so (probably deservedly) people think I am lazy. Subconsciously I know what to do, but the thought rarely becomes action. Most days I just kind of daydream and ponder stuff and ruminate, and I forget everything I need to actually be doing... People think I am rational and "need structure" just because I would like a motivational push (or at least give me magical attention drugs). I wonder if it's a combination of attention deficit and depression causing weird mental escapism into daydreaming and fantasizing, because I have had this problem my entire life. It's my Achilles heel, and I pretty much why I hate myself and think I must be a defected loser. Like I almost got all the things necessary to actually function and succeed, but then as a cruel joke the world made me self critical and inert, or I subconsciously, masochistically made myself like this.

    Biggest Strength:

    Ugh, this is weird but okay. Because I spend so much time inert, it gives me time to really think about things, which is why I already know what I want to do with my life and I have a semi-finished manifesto already. I have strength in ethics, both in producing strong emotions (Fe) and in understanding ethical matters (Fi), which is very useful for achieving my goals. E4 helps with being passionate and finding a certain personal sense of beauty and meaning in the world and art. Feels kind of weird to talk about my strengths because it sounds kind of arrogant to me, but whatever type I end up being, those strengths are my strengths.


    TL;DR Read e4 weaknesses and strengths.

    People actually criticize my taste a lot, some like it though... I assume you mean like taste in Art or something like that?
    I try to be non-judgmental in a Fi demo way. Most people end up judging others at some point anyway so non-judgmental doesn't actually mean anything. I don't really spend a lot of time nitpicking flaws in people, it's a bit of a waste of time, especially if they didn't deserve it.
    Hmm cautious, I'm not sure what you mean? I suppose I am cautious in avoiding my dreams being ruined, I like to leave a clear and possible pathway for it to have a chance of becoming true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    Hmm I just don't see any Se DS in me, or 4D Ni. I mean maybe, maybe, but... it doesn't feel quite right. Something is off... somehow...
    Have you considered the possibility of being Ni suggestive and thus role Né?

    I believe Fe creatives can only be Ne or Se base. Of you're not Ne base then you should be Se base. Think about it
    self-discovery
    self-development
    optimism
    relationships
    communication
    high ideals

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    @MidnightWilderness

    I think you should focus more on other people and learn to type and experience the relationships. Focusing only on yourself is a swamp that will drag you down.

    At least that's how I did it. Learn from real life what is duality, supervision, quasi etc. You have to experience all types so you become familiar with how Socionics works.

    Socionics/ Jung's typology is an objective phenomenon. You have to learn to be objective while also focusing on yourself.

    Anyway the type is just an empty label unless you have learned what it really means and how it manifests
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    What is even going on here?
    My own Quadra is starting to look pretty annoying...

    First of all:

    I AM NOT CUTE
    I AM NOT CHILL
    I AM NOT ALWAYS BRINGING POSITIVE MOODS
    I AM NOT MAKING COMFORT
    I may come off as QuIrKy sometimes but I wouldn't call my self QuIrKy.

    Being "chill" or "cute" really isn't a strength?? It's just an ordinary personality trait. I hate being associated with those things, I hate it so much it makes my blood boil.

    You want to know why I hate being seen as "cute"? Because it sounds demeaning, infantilizing and like people don't want to take me seriously.

    So either disown me from Alpha Quadra or STOP giving SEIs these adjectives, please and thank you.

    seconding this, cute, bringing positive moods and comfort would be the last thing on people’s list when describing me. I only agree with chill but that might just be the 9 in me.

    In fact Midnight, I agree with a lot of stuff you’ve been posting, it’s gotten close to me second guessing my type when people say you’re not SEI but I’m positive that I am one.
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