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    Default SEI, how do you deal with a grubby dual/ILE?

    IEI are amazing The victim erotic style isn't problematic for me at all. However, when they stubbornky resist Se, they just become unproductive victims in my opinion.

    My question to SEIs:. How do you, as a dominant sensor, deal with an ILE who stubbornly resists Si? I'm sure Ne is pleasant to you but what if ILE become totally Ne focused & refuse your guidance?.

    Folk with the Si/Ne experience is welcome, particularly from the Si perspective

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    @Stray Cat

    How do you see IEIs resisting Se? And do you consider yourself receptive to Ni?
    φιλοκαλοῦμέν τε γὰρ μετ᾽ εὐτελείας καὶ φιλοσοφοῦμεν ἄνευ μαλακίας.

    It’s hard to translate this literally and poetically into English, but this is my attempt at a translation: “For we love beauty, that we attain good ends thereby, and we love wisdom, though not in a way that makes us soft, nor that causes us to value weakness.”

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    By picking your battles I guess. 1d Si doesn’t really bother me to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
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    How do you see IEIs resisting Se? And do you consider yourself receptive to Ni?
    I'm receptive cause I'm a good listener, in general. Se ain't perfect. Advice from others is cool. Which is actually what irritates me about IEIs resistance. Their Se is impulsive. If you told them that walking on broken glass wasn't wise, they'd one day go dancing on top of it while getting their giggles. Not saying they oughta do what Se-egos say, but reality is real. Broken glass is broken glass. It isn't funny. Broken glass cuts shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    By picking your battles I guess. 1d Si doesn’t really bother me to begin with.
    I have 1d Ni. 1d Se doesn't bother me. Being a fucking dumbass does, especially when the retard keeps making the same mistake. IEI got potential but sometimes its like, wtf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    I have 1d Ni. 1d Se doesn't bother me. Being a fucking dumbass does, especially when the retard keeps making the same mistake. IEI got potential but sometimes its like, wtf?
    Is it possible that the Ni ego's you've meant are just idiots and there are actually reasonable Ni ego's who you haven't met yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    Is it possible that the Ni ego's you've meant are just idiots and there are actually reasonable Ni ego's who you haven't met yet?
    Ni is awesome. It's idiotic to rely on Ni to where one ignores concrete reality. I dig Ni, it's "ignoring" of Se that sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Ni is awesome. It's idiotic to rely on Ni to where one ignores concrete reality. I dig Ni, it's "ignoring" of Se that sucks.
    I'm not exactly sure how Se/Ni dom relationships are supposed to go, but I assumed that it would be the Se dom's role to almost literally drag the Ni dom down to earth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    I'm not exactly sure how Se/Ni dom relationships are supposed to go, but I assumed that it would be the Se dom's role to almost literally drag the Ni dom down to earth?
    Yeah but that's boring and a shit test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Yeah but that's boring and a shit test.
    Most of the the SLE-Tis I know are very strong on the Ti front, which leads me to think having an Ni base around just isn’t as appealing for them as for SLE-Se. The SLE-Ses I have known are on a lifelong conquest to find Ni and Ni egos. Their literally every move is requesting Ni, and I see the “Aggressor dragging the Victim down to earth” dynamic between them and IxIs play out the clearest. They seem more needy of it than SEEs, who don’t recognize they need it until they do something that blows up in their face. SLE-Tis seem to be able to maintain the balance of their Si and Ni better overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
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    How do you see IEIs resisting Se? And do you consider yourself receptive to Ni?
    Maybe an IEI enne 9 or 6 can be a bit more resistant, despite it being suggestive.. Especially 9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinKDiGiT18 View Post
    Most of the the SLE-Tis I know are very strong on the Ti front, which leads me to think having an Ni base around just isn’t as appealing for them as for SLE-Se. The SLE-Ses I have known are on a lifelong conquest to find Ni and Ni egos. Their literally every move is requesting Ni, and I see the “Aggressor dragging the Victim down to earth” dynamic between them and IxIs play out the clearest. They seem more needy of it than SEEs, who don’t recognize they need it until they do something that blows up in their face. SLE-Tis seem to be able to maintain the balance of their Si and Ni better overall.
    This has been my experience (but Se sub). I met an SLE-Se who would call me numerous times every hour of day to
    have help on Ni things and read signs, pattern and the path he needed go... All
    he did was try seek out Ni. He was also the first to accurately type me IEI in the community (despite myself having first considered it, but then I switched to EII for awhile) upon meeting me irl..
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    He also suck out our EIE friend Skar a lot too, for some Ni things.. And then another IEI in our discord group..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karanime View Post
    This has been my experience (but Se sub). I met an SLE-Se who would call me numerous times every hour of day to
    have help on Ni things and read signs, pattern and the path he needed go... All
    he did was try seek out Ni. He was also the first to accurately type me IEI in the community (despite myself having first considered it, but then I switched to EII for awhile) upon meeting me irl..

    Fuck. I'm legit SLE-Ti, never figured SLE-Se dug Ni like that. My dad ILI dad showed me ways to use Ni when I was a kid. Fun. If you get a kick out of somebody seeking your Ni, that's cool

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    Met an Ne-ILE on discord who tried to do the same lmaoo
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    I have witnessed the same pattern with a unhealthy IEE and Si.

    What I see is a person who refuses to do things that are good and beneficial in favour of like needling into their need to explore options. So they sit on their computer for hours and hours on end neglecting the things around them with 10,000 open tabs on their internet. A sort of stubborn refusal to get up and actually push through the pain of change. Their house becomes a collection of objects which represent aborted projects, which really are ideals, or ideas of what "could be".

    This extends to failing to take care of themselves and their habitats in an extreme way: not bathing, not trimming their nails, not brushing their hair, not cleaning their dishes. Or if they do these things , in a sporadic and random fashion.

    The strange irony here is that Si types can be the same way, especially the depressives. I mean anyone who is depressed starts to stop caring, at an instinctual, gut level, but Si, Ne really lays in here. Their habitats become hobbles, garbage filled nests, disorganized shacks. More and more is added to their collection of useful stuff turned junk. They cry out for an "organizer", but one who remains subdued and subtle, like a house elf.

    Its sad really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timber View Post
    I have witnessed the same pattern with a unhealthy IEE and Si.

    What I see is a person who refuses to do things that are good and beneficial in favour of like needling into their need to explore options. So they sit on their computer for hours and hours on end neglecting the things around them with 10,000 open tabs on their internet. A sort of stubborn refusal to get up and actually push through the pain of change. Their house becomes a collection of objects which represent aborted projects, which really are ideals, or ideas of what "could be".

    This extends to failing to take care of themselves and their habitats in an extreme way: not bathing, not trimming their nails, not brushing their hair, not cleaning their dishes. Or if they do these things , in a sporadic and random fashion.

    The strange irony here is that Si types can be the same way, especially the depressives. I mean anyone who is depressed starts to stop caring, at an instinctual, gut level, but Si, Ne really lays in here. Their habitats become hobbles, garbage filled nests, disorganized shacks. More and more is added to their collection of useful stuff turned junk. They cry out for an "organizer", but one who remains subdued and subtle, like a house elf.

    Its sad really.
    You basically just nailed the concept I was getting at

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