VI Discussion

[Braingel]

I want say that I am not too keen on visual identification, because I do not think you always can ascertain someone's type at mere, a few picture. I also believe there are several factors that can adulterate accuracy of typing.. For instance, I have Aspergers and PTSD. My ASD can make me indifferent to others at times, thus I will appear more introverted (even though I am. For an extroverted Aspie tough, it may not be as obvious is point being), and my PTSD often results in sleep deprivation, which may make turbid, my gaze.

I also believe it can be near impossibility to for instance, tell difference between an EIE-Ni and IEI-Fe, the subtype perhaps making one appear slightly more like their mirror type...

However, I do think there is merit to be taken with it.

I firmly believe I am an IEI, and whilst not exactly caring of what others think, many others do as well. But some people have typed me IEE-Ne and IEE-Fi from visual identification. I am wondering why this may be, and what specifically may be looking Ne of me.

I will share a few picture..

You can tell I am messy with the stain on my sleeve, and my gaze is floaty.. The first picture is most recent picture I have of myself.

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...1&d=1623556233


(I hope I am doing this right.. Posting link of attachments I am making, I presume I am. It probably would be too much a difficulty to just upload endless pictures and be too large for a thread)


This one was recency as well:

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...1&d=1623556702

Then this pictures are around 4-5 years ago.

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...1&d=1623556498

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...1&d=1623556584

Worst case scenario if I did this wrong, I can just link my Quora and upload there.

[roger557]

Only works one of them, this one https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...2&d=1623556702 .

From this one not very revealing picture, you could be also LSI-Ti or ESI. Lest I incur in cold-reading, this is judging solely your appeareance and gaze in this picture.

[Braingel]

Only one of them works?

[Braingel]

Ok since this failed I am going to post my Quora..

Here: https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-...ara-Soylular-3

The profile picture in my Quora PFP is me as well..

[Braingel]

here: https://www.quora.com/Are-there-any-...ara-Soylular-3

[Adam Strange]

Hi, Karanime.

In my opinion, I'd say the first two pictures are definitely IEI, the third one could be IEI or SEI, and the fourth one could be ESI or EIE or IEI.

So IEI seems pretty clear.

[Braingel]

Did the links work for you, or did you need go through my Quora..

[peteronfireee2]

Works fine.

[roger557]

I read most of that... pardon my (possible) intrusiveness but; do you still live with your parents?

[Braingel]

Yes, sadly, but I am being placed in home for autistic people soon... The link should have taken you to my answer on visual identification, so I take it you saw the pinned answer..

[roger557]

I see. Sorry I'm a bit lost; I have developed sort of a slight ADD.

So do you look forward to the austistic people home or, how do you feel about that?

[peteronfireee2]

i'm paranoid o m g

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[peteronfireee2]

Sike

[Braingel]

I do not know how it is exactly going be for me... I have been in mental health facilities, but that is for mental illness. Autism is a developmental disability. So it would be differing upon stark level. I am not particularly excited, but there is obviously more potential I can be better I am away from the source of my trauma. I have had several online friends offer to take me with them as well, but that is most likely not going be able work out.

[roger557]

@pandemic candy
stfu demon

[roger557]

I do not know how it is exactly going be for me... I have been in mental health facilities, but that is for mental illness. Autism is a developmental disability. So it would be differing upon stark level. I am not particularly excited, but there is obviously more potential I can be better I am away from the source of my trauma. I have had several online friends offer to take me with them as well, but that is most likely not going be able work out.

Why not, any you particularly trust?

[Braingel]

I do trust them, but it is going to cost them money, since I do not have any of my own.. It would be better for me if I lived with them, as county houses are not generally great.. I have been in one before, but developmental disabilities get more money aimed at them. I also am not fond of having autism define me, as I see how if society was not in its current way, autism would not be disability. I talked about this today, matter of fact.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-tre...__=22412350243

[roger557]

You write very well for being diagnosed austistic

[Braingel]

I appreciate that. I have had my IQ tested before, and I scored "very superior" in written portion of that child's IQ test.. I also won a state poetry award, and was judged as a year older. I aspire to be author and I want educate this world on some matters that it is having false superstition and approach of. I live for that, and that is why I still am here, alive.

[CR400AF]

I hardly ever interact with people in real life and I mostly communicate via Internet so to be honest I am not skilled in VI. But probably for those who have numerous experiences they are good at VI.

[Braingel]

Well, this is a place in which to discuss Socionics theory, right? And sometimes the conversation may slightly deviate, yet if it can lead to the centralized focus, that is ultimately mattering. This is my first day here, so I am uncertain in typical threads seen here.

[Braingel]

I take it people post their social media a lot perhaps is what you mean... But for something like visual identification, that may necessitate, especially if links are a failure.

[Braingel]

Oh, they deleted their comments... (Pandemic candy)

[Braingel]

You had said "Smh" and "this thread is generic".. You know this, please do not pretend as if you do not.. Which it like with discord, showed you are replying to comment, and it would at least say "deleted comment".

[Braingel]

Why do you keep deleting, are you just of boredom and are wanting troll? The quote maybe is a joke, and also other things.. There are some patterns similar to that of trolls.

Screen shotted last one to show:

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And this shows it
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[Braingel]

uh huh

Maybe the quote is what needs for it to show that a message was present. And also probably to notify others, so my question to Adam Strange would not have been notified to him, most likely..

[The Reality Denialist]

Based on the content alone I'm inclined towards EIE. Anyway, since your background is what it is I'm unsure. Quite intense eye contact towards the camera makes me think of a rational extrovert.

[Northstar]

Your VI agrees with beta NF but I would also say EIE > IEI. Telling between mirror types based on temperament is much easier using video and in general more reliable than still pictures.

You're also right that very Ni heavy/less contacting subtypes of EIE can seem very IEI on the surface, but eventually the EJ vs IP temperament will decide. Of course there are many other good clues. Typically EIE are much more aware of their Ni than IEI, with actual IEI significantly more often claiming they don't see their own Ni. EIE seem more eloquent and passionate expressing their opinions, even having sometimes a crusader vibe although IEI can go on rants just as well.
IEI are however much more conflict avoidant and struggle with feelings of guilt and strong inhibitions. Both dislike Te and Si, but EIE are more concerned of having flaws in their appearance and their meaning being misunderstood while IEI can have fears of uselessness, of being discarded.

[Braingel]

I will add more pictures if people have harder time in telling. The first link does not seem be accessible anymore, so I will upload the picture in which the first link was supposed to go to.. It also cane found in the Quora answer I linked earlier on, though.

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Then here another, but it is from around 4 years ago, whereas one I just shared is a few months ago, from when I met up with an online SLE and ILE.
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[Braingel]

And here is one more, also from a few years ago
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This is not about anything other than VI, but I think my introversion as base would be apparent if my content was seen, an example being here:https://qr.ae/pG7kNx

My real curiosity is of how people get me as IEE-Ne/Fi from VI... As said in my initial thread, I do not exactly see where Ne base as coming from in my appearance, other than maybe I appear scattered.

[peteronfireee2]

@pandemic candy
stfu demon

TLDR @ 14:20

[qaz00]

Classic Beta NF special snowflake. EIE-Ni makes most sense.

[roger557]

Sup.

Has any (decent seeming) woman offered you to go live with her?

Also, are you eligible to request social security payment so you can have your own cash?

Btw, you seem IEI-Ni now to me. Feel free to check out the gallery in my signature, to see how that resonates with you.

[Braingel]

I do not know my own social security and my parents will not tell me it... I had been offered by one person, but they do not have money now.. Males are the ones I have gotten most offers from. Multiple males (4).

[Braingel]

I was going live in zen monastery with one guy, but he has not been respondent for awhile... If I need face the home, I will endure it and just detach more into my own mind and desensitize from what is ongoing around me... (I do not drive/know how to.. He was gonna drive to my state and get me)

[Sol]

mb ISFP / SEI

a video would be better

[Braingel]

It seems people have mixed views of my type.This is in part of why I do not much care for VI. It is reliant upon the interpretation.. There are YouTube videos of me..

[Braingel]

These are youtube video of me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilrH5D-rVMc&t=100s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N2HpM2_Cw0&t=21s

[Braingel]

And another youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBWgb5ADNC0&t=343s

My most recent one...

I think around 6-8:30 minutes into the video shows a lot of my gaze.. And a few minutes earlier on.. For the first two links above, it is the middle/end of the first video that shows best..

The first video probably is best, since it is most clear view of my gaze, the lighting is better, and I am not as moved into emotion. (I also was very degraded in my health under serious stress in the third video if you could not tell.. And was not taking care of myself at all, so it will be a bit harder discern, but the way I talk is N. Just unkept appearance and that will probably reflect into my eyes, with the poor health and the underlying bags).

I think this is extremely telling
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This too
Screen Shot 2021-06-13 at 06.13.15.pngI do not see how anyone can think that is Si or Ne.

[qaz00]

I saw less Ni in videos than I expected... Probably EIE, I'm not sure of subtype anymore. As an alternative maybe ESE-Fe is possible, definitely not IEI.