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Last edited by necrosebud; 06-03-2021 at 04:56 PM.
I can't pinpoint myself or others on these descriptions, one EII may show some characteristics of EII-Fi and other characteristics of EII-Ne. I think these descriptions are better, they are also written by same socionists.
For Delta Quadra:
According to two subtype system, creative subtype has enhanced demonstrative, creative, role and seeking function. For example, for EII-Ne that means enhanced Ni, Ne, Ti and Te and have weaker Fi, Fe, Si, Se
If we break down EII description in terms of enhancements:
''EII-Ne''':
Self-controlled,inclined to indeterminacy and having doubts, vacillates in making decisions, indecisive. -> Ni enchancement
Unsure of his feelings. ->Ni enchancement
Principled and uncompromising in the questions of loyalty and honor. -> Ti enchancement
In erotic sense he is yielding and somewhat shy, waits for initiative from another. ->Weaker Se
At times unpredictable, inclined to have fantasies. -> Ne enhancement
Likes to improve and perfect sexual relations. -> Ne enhancement
Somewhat reserved and talks of his worries with people close to him. -> Weaker Se, Si
''EII-Fi''':
Trusting, loyal, an idealist in his soul. -> Fi, Si enchancement
Internally emotional but outwardly tries to control his feelings. -> Fi, Fe enchancement
A reliable partner disposed to stable relations.-> Fi, Si enchancement
Kind and soft, however, demanding and stubborn in relations, and does not forgive betrayals.-> Se enchancement, weaker Ne
Strives towards aesthetics, harmony, and perfection in sex. -> Si enchancement
Vulnerable, and very dependent on the emotional state of those whom he loves. -> Weaker Ti, Te - Fe enchancement
According to my observations, people doesnt necessarily have either base-ignoring-seeking-role enhancement or reverse, enhancements are generally a mixture. Hence when you look at the descriptions you may find some applying to you and some not. However, that is probably up to which kind of enhancement is underlined in that sentence.
EII and some IEI friends are the most compassionate and forgiving people I have ever met, in a way that they are too compassionate and forgiving in my opinion. Ofcourse they are like this towards people that they like/love and form a bond that they seem to find special. I assume it is due to 4D Ni+Fi.
From what I observe, Fi egos are totally ok with brashness of Te. One EII friend was drawn to LSE friend after they spent a little time together. However, if you haven't dualized before, you may not think that way, I think if you have a close relation with your semi-dual and mirage, that may help a bit.
Different kinds of LSEs have different levels of brashness and domineering attitude. I wouldn't say that all LSE-Te's are more domineering than all LSE-Si or vice versa. After they get closer to someone, they generally don't attempt to say anything that would offend them, the closeness of the relationship affect their attitude a lot. They are generally helpful to all people and they are transparent, reliable and trustworthy people. If they don't like someone, that person would know it. Some of them are also more into listening the other person when they feel close to them, although they are talkative people. Complementary IEs are like the different sides of the same thing. So in a way Te and Fi are not that different from each other, they both aim to accomplish the same thing in opposite ways.
there are no subtypes in Socionics
your inclination to subtypes as baseless and practically useless heresy may follow from helping to rationalize your mistake in own type as INFJ. your type mb INFP
I’m LIE-Te and I work better with ESI-Se and I relax better with ESI-Fi.
Yep... LSE-Te and LIE-Te can create a Te vortex. Everything is sucked into their subjective Te intents, and because my suggestive is oriented at Te "buffered" through an irrational function, it knocks the wind out of me. Even Te-sub ILI and SLI can be a bit intense, but ultimately 3D is not 4D. It's like an entire universe of its own; and it's not that I don't have my own Fi framework but rather am conscious of how intense my Fi can come off at times and make a point to consider Ne variables before putting forth a hard Fi judgment. Fi-EII and Fi-ESI don't seem to care about it. What's wrong is wrong, and if you have a problem with it, then we've got a problem. I wish I were more inclined to stick to my feelings in this manner at times. Seems to match the sobriety of Te sub.
Last edited by PinKDiGiT18; 05-29-2021 at 02:07 PM.
LSE-Te typically definitely perceives me as frivolous and maladapted due to my enhanced Ne and sometimes prefers ESI for the sole reason that ESIs appear more focused and resolved than myself. After a while, some start demanding me to not be so "weird." Sorry! I don't care what your expectations are - I don't exist to please them and I'm never going to change with the sole purpose of fitting anyone else's mold. A darn shame for you.
That attitude pisses them off so badly.
I don't think I've ever personally interacted with an LSE-Si male. I used to think I was more attracted to LSE-Te, but now that I've met more representatives of the other subtype, my mind may have changed. I love Si-subtypes in general, and once I've hung out with an LSE-Si for long enough, I feel so freaking happy. Really, I can imagine very good things coming from this dynamic romantically.
@PinKDiGiT18, feeling so freaking happy around a person is a clue.
When I first started interacting with ESIs, I also felt really happy after spending time around them. Now, years, later, the "so freaking happy"ness factor has decreased (or my general level of unhappiness has decreased) to the point where now I can spend hours and hours with them and I just don't get worn out. Like, there's no conflict and no compensating and no changing myself to be someone whom I'm not.
Plus, I'm happy.
You like the ones who are "open" to your values and interests. "Intelligent" in having abbilities to support you in that.
There are different values, interests and undersanding besides which you have and prefer at now moment. This depends on your Jung type significantly, besides other factors.
For example, your attraction to decadence and mb related s&m is about Se value. Not what LSE in common may like, at least significantly. Ni types have more chance for victimish attractions and Se types have higher chance to accept this too.
> I am not as compatible with LSEs that struggle to understand and/or simply close their mind off to my ideas and feelings.
In case you have IEI, your "ideas and feelings" are significantly alien for all LSEs.
In close and long communication with LSE - your possible conflictor types - it's doubtful you'll like them indeed and will feel good with them, the same is for other human. At least, you should feel much better and to evaluate as more "open minded and intelligent" the ones having same functional values, as your more possible dual ESTP.
> well before I knew anything about subtypes, haven’t I?
Non-Socionics subtypes hypothesis which you are using is about _minor_ difference in functions strenght between 1 and 2 functions. This can't change significantly IR - good or bad IR can't become significantly worse or better with such difference.
The reason for significant difference in perception of people of same type (as you think) - is different Jung types of those people or mb non-types traits. Or you did not communicated with them close and long enough to understand each other better.
There are many mistakes in types with today methods and you are novice which makes them often. The novice which is unable to understand even own type, which is not EII.
If to suppose your IEI, a mistake in single dichotomy differs conflictor LSE with good for you LSI and SLE. It's easier to mistake if you don't know those people good and until you don't understand functional values assigning your the type of opposite quadra.
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There are many baseless hypotheses by which you try to explain why you see the contradiction to basic Socionics theory, as when you dislike significantly some of LSE and like other ones. But it's more reasonably to suppose mistakes in types. And sometimes other factors besides Jung types.
Your attraction to death and suffering (with having Si value as you think) mb you'll can find baseless heresy to "explain" too. Especially if to use heresies with more "open mind" to establish doubtful and logically weak links.
Anything just to rationalize the mistake that you have EII, despite notice strong contradictions for this and those contradictions are pointed you by the one having much better competence in types. You are not the 1st, about 50% mistake in own type for years what is seen on forums. They do lazy study about types by nonsense heresies and low quality texts, use that by unreasonable way and hence mistake in types rather often, more often than could. Until such behavior gives them a fun - they are satisfied, as mainly have F types and are motivated by emotions to think something. You are same.
If you'll communicate with someone and will like - forget about types. The factual experience is more important. While types you are unable to use appropriately.
Last edited by Sol; 06-03-2021 at 09:41 AM.
I’m stubborn and so is my daughter so we need a patient man in our lives
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html