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    Default What political parties or ideologies do you associate with each quadra/type/etc.

    Edit: doing it the other way around makes more sense

    In the US:

    Woke socialists/communists: Betas and producing-subtype Fi-egos (Se-ESI, Fi-IEE, etc.)

    Neo-liberals/Woke capitalists: Gamma NT

    Libertarians: Ti-egos

    Conservatives: Si-egos, Fi-ExIs and Se-SxEs

    Anarchists: Ne-IxE
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    it's possibly to associate some ideas
    alike higher centralized rule with developed hierarchy - Ti

    while those parties are a circus
    capitalistic society is based on individualism, what is opposite to "party" sense
    the main power there has a minority with antihumanistic/psychopatic ideology. those parties are used to fool people
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    I don't find any strong correlations.

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    Alpha - air, spring

    Beta - fire, summer

    Gamma - water, autumn

    Delta - earth, winter

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    Alpha - air, spring

    Beta - fire, summer

    Gamma - water, autumn

    Delta - earth, winter


    I like this - but might make Gamma earth and Delta water. (cuz winter ice is just frozen water? lol)


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    Communism - Alpha in theory, Beta in practice
    Socialism - j>p, Si valuing
    Capitalism - Gamma
    Anarchism - p>j
    Conservatism - j>p, weak Ne
    Libertarianism - Gamma, p>j, NT
    Environmentalism - Si valuing, NF
    Nationalism - Beta
    Meritocracy - Delta
    Centrism - Delta
    Feminism - NF

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post


    I like this - but might make Gamma earth and Delta water. (cuz winter ice is just frozen water? lol)

    Good points.

    Water is free flowing. Snow is frozen rain. The water molecules move faster than the frozen water molecules. The implication is the Delta quadra is the more patient, thoughtful, considerate & even stubborn quadra. They're sort of the long lived elders of the socion who judge things from a more responsible/humane standpoint.

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    Honestly, I don't think you can. I mean, Dave Rubin is probably my dual. And If that guy came out in support of oxygen, I'd consider learning to breathe methane. Also, is Dave Rubin a straight christian conservative yet?

    Type may add nuance to someone's political beliefs (e.g. how moderate or extremist they are), in the same way that Big Five personality traits like higher openness to experience may influence some conservative to be more accepting of immigrants, but without changing their broader ideological allegiance.
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    application of this line of thinking is a perfect example of how distorted thinking can become when a stereotyped gestalt becomes a barometer of typing

    i diagnose weak Ni (and all elements become weaker with less brainpower)

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    I like to meme with political parties. Currently, I'm an arch conservative american fascist who believes in heavy spending but also is fiscally conservative. Before, I was a socialist. What's the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    application of this line of thinking is a perfect example of how distorted thinking can become when a stereotyped gestalt becomes a barometer of typing

    i diagnose weak Ni (and all elements become weaker with less brainpower)
    I'm just autistic with a relatively low IQ and a penchant for making frivolous, mildly self-amusing threads
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    Personally I haven't noticed a strong correlation between socionics type and support for different political movements. I've said before in other posts, but it bears repeating that I think type influences *how* you think rather than *what* you think. In an absolute vacuum there maybe be some "inherent" tendencies of different types, but there can be no such vacuums except in theory.

    Not to discourage you from asking the question though. It's still a fun game. To that end I would agree with the Libertarian Party attracting Ti in general. I've considered myself libertarian for a long time and was officially involved with some campaign stuff in college. Most of the people I interacted with in those circles were alphas and betas
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    @ashlesha is it really necessary to imply OP is dumb for asking the question? There were a hundred ways you could've disagreed with the premise without including a personal attack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alomoes View Post
    heavy spending but also is fiscally conservative
    This sounds like a euphemism for liking to pay for things with other people's money lol
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    i didn't intend an attack on the OP. i have no issue with generalizations that are understood to be such. like republicans are usually delta literally or something. and i didn't notice any implication about that. just annoyed by stuff in general. sorry averroes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Averroes View Post
    I'm just autistic with a relatively low IQ and a penchant for making frivolous, mildly self-amusing threads
    the self deprecation is kinda cute

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    @ashlesha Oh sorry, I guess I just misinterpreted you then lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Averroes View Post
    Edit: doing it the other way around makes more sense

    In the US:

    Woke socialists/communists: Betas and producing-subtype Fi-egos (Se-ESI, Fi-IEE, etc.)

    Neo-liberals/Woke capitalists: Gamma NT

    Libertarians: Ti-egos

    Conservatives: Si-egos, Fi-ExIs and Se-SxEs

    Anarchists: Ne-IxE
    Libertarians is more Fi (Gamma / Delta), Ti egos don't like it.

    I remember Anarchists is some kind of SEE's stereotype: If a SEE leads a group of people, that group will become anarchists. Ne ego need Si, which mean they need a well structure/peaceful society, and hate chaos.

    Woke capitalists look like a Delta/Alpha thing. Gamma stereotype doesn't care much about social justice, what they care about is (their) "freedom of action/choice".
    Last edited by Moharu; 06-04-2021 at 12:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moharu View Post
    Libertarians is more Fi (Gamma / Delta), Ti egos don't like it.

    I remember Anarchists is some kind of SEE's stereotype: If a SEE leads a group of people, that group will become anarchists. Ne ego need Si, which mean they need a well structure/peaceful society, and hate chaos.

    Woke capitalists look like a Delta/Alpha thing. Gamma stereotype doesn't care much about social justice, what they care about is (their) "freedom of action/choice".
    I figured Gamma NTs would be more inclined to support an optmized mixed economy instead of stubbornly sticking to the principles of "big government is bad". "taxation is theft", and "the founding fathers would've wanted this" regardless of the utilitarian impact on society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moharu View Post
    Libertarians is more Fi (Gamma / Delta), Ti egos don't like it.

    I remember Anarchists is some kind of SEE's stereotype: If a SEE leads a group of people, that group will become anarchists. Ne ego need Si, which mean they need a well structure/peaceful society, and hate chaos.

    Woke capitalists look like a Delta/Alpha thing. Gamma stereotype doesn't care much about social justice, what they care about is (their) "freedom of action/choice".
    ????
    This seems like a really weird description. ILE's are just as capable of being anarchist leaders as SEE, the only difference being that Gamma anarchism would be much more cutthroat(more like anarcho-capitalism) while Alpha anarchism would be much more utopian(anarcho-communism). Delta Ne will be much more stable, but Alpha Ne lives in chaos, seizing the moment just as much as any Gamma would.

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    Gamma - Accelerationism
    ​"The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools." ―Thucydides

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlier View Post
    Gamma - Accelerationism
    I’ve read some of the collection of Nick Land you linked me, and his writing does seem quite Gamma.
    φιλοκαλοῦμέν τε γὰρ μετ᾽ εὐτελείας καὶ φιλοσοφοῦμεν ἄνευ μαλακίας.

    It’s hard to translate this literally and poetically into English, but this is my attempt at a translation: “For we love beauty, that we attain good ends thereby, and we love wisdom, though not in a way that makes us soft, nor that causes us to value weakness.”

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    Accelerationism - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
    In political and social theory, accelerationism is the idea that capitalism, or some processes associated with it, and technological change should be "accelerated" and drastically intensified to create radical social change. Sometimes, and often in a pejorative sense, it may refer to the theory that the end of capitalism should be brought about by its acceleration. The French critical theorists Gilles Dele

    extremely interesting and i'm not opposed to this at face value, but i request a tl;dr explanation of how it is related to type

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    extremely interesting and i'm not opposed to this at face value
    I think it's extremely interesting too, or maby attraction is a better word for what I'm feeling - but it's suicidal to think it's positive, it just is. As surely as the eventual heat death of the universe. Which is why you gotta decelerate your tribe.

    ​"The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools." ―Thucydides

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    Decided Accelerationism is in fact positive cuz we are closer to ruin than to redemption. So better to just let reality sort itself out.

    Fauci is connected to sewing human fetuses scalps unto mice btw, so things are already accelerating - obviously.
    ​"The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools." ―Thucydides

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashlesha View Post
    Accelerationism - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
    In political and social theory, accelerationism is the idea that capitalism, or some processes associated with it, and technological change should be "accelerated" and drastically intensified to create radical social change. Sometimes, and often in a pejorative sense, it may refer to the theory that the end of capitalism should be brought about by its acceleration. The French critical theorists Gilles Dele

    extremely interesting and i'm not opposed to this at face value, but i request a tl;dr explanation of how it is related to type
    Te gets into action, motion, Se aims to directly impact current situation. The combination of Se and Te explicitly increase the momentum too much, everything becomes accelerated.

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