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    irl do SEEs actually come off as being "serious" like the quadra descriptions depict?

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    Somewhat. They are usually really nice and kind but also fit in the harsh Te world in way that I would describe as 'mediocrely adequate.' Or mediocre but in the good way? lol. Cuz of their 2D Te. IEIs are their semi duals so they have a lot of empathy and understanding for IEI not liking Te usually even though they value it themselves.

    They don't mind Fe at all compared to some of the other Fi valuing types but if you piss off a Fi relationship they care about they are more serious/mean. Although even when SEEs are mean they are still kind of 'cute'- in Gulekno's chain they are really just kind of like evolved versions of IEI that actually learned how to be in the real world without throwing up lol. When IEI croaks and our entire ego naturally dies - the hero of our dreams gets re-born as a SEE warrior.

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    I think after awhile of interacting with ppl you've typed, you get a gestalt for terms like "serious," "decisive," "rational" etc that isn't really captured by direct English translation. The variable transfiguration of all these concepts is a fun thing to add to the online socionics enthusiast party

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    Most SEEs are serious about getting and maintaining their own personal freedoms; they seem to enjoy journeys much more than destinations where they often quickly get bored. The other Gamma types may experience restlessness or discontentment with current situations but not nearly to the SEE extent. The ones I've met needed a metaphorical leash for them to be productive. They have valuable attributes but "serious" about other people's expectations wouldn't be one of them unless it was a means for them to break free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebelondeck View Post
    Most SEEs are serious about getting and maintaining their own personal freedoms; they seem to enjoy journeys much more than destinations where they often quickly get bored. The other Gamma types may experience restlessness or discontentment with current situations but not nearly to the SEE extent. The ones I've met needed a metaphorical leash for them to be productive. They have valuable attributes but "serious" about other people's expectations wouldn't be one of them unless it was a means for them to break free.

    a.k.a. I/O
    I always say I get bored & restless easily & freedom is the one thing that I value the most, so this right here sounds accurate for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlytherinPower View Post
    irl do SEEs actually come off as being "serious" like the quadra descriptions depict?
    Reinin traits is not normal Socionics but "drafts", except mb static/dynamic trait which Augustinavichiute used seriously. All of them are baseless, anyway.

    It's below average in common, as they prefer to be soft and nice due to Fi. Also they are flexible with P, what with Fi predisposes to compromises.

    Most serious are *STJ types. Which may play to look funny, but it's when they are resting.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Some are more serious and some are more light-hearted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlytherinPower View Post
    irl do SEEs actually come off as being "serious" like the quadra descriptions depict?
    If anyone cared to listen to what they wanted and desired out of life, assuming a lack of other psychological issues like trauma or attachment deficiencies (a key caveat that matters more than this theoretical structure), yes. The SEE is quite serious about their passions and desires, but is usually at a loss as to how to best attain/realize them in what I can only call a "rational" sense. They value freedom, but if you value that above what may be some necessary regimentation or limits you'll encounter frustration.

    This may be a key reason ILI's are their dual relation. You want to achieve/attain X? We can easily tell you how, but you may not (hell probably will not) like it. It likely won't make you many friends, and it'll probably piss off several members within your social circle and cost you friends (possibly even your bestie)... But it'll get you X nigh on guaranteed. How might that harsh and direct method best be mollified and made into a plan that doesn't suffer those major social downsides if not in whole than at least in part? Well, that's where your perspective would come in .

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    From my experience, SEEs tend to be quite funny and expressive. However, there is this certain level of ambition in SEEs that can make them seem serious about pursuing their goals.
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    If you read the definition of merry-serious dichtomy then yes.

    Some SEEs can also be really into all those Fi things like expectations from others, sucking up to your boss, being nice to customers, thinking about what your parents/relatives say, being kinda one of the "joneses" and so on...(ESIs can be like that too, it's the NTs who are kinda indifferent to these themes).
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    You can call them drafts, but all that matters is whether they are true or false. I looked, and they seem as true as the rest of this garbage.

    Keeping up with the Joneses is probably false. The rest is just common sense. And I mean that you are weird for not. Being rude to customers ought to get you fired for example.

    Certainly some people don't, but I would say that those statements are too generic and thus inapplicable to derive what is SEE.

    But yeah, the only thing that is not generic is keeping up with the joneses. Very few people care what other people do, and try to emulate others to compensate for their own subjective inferiority. It is plausible that it happens to be SEE that does it, but who knows. That's probably learned behavior anyways.

    I understand you said some, I'm just saying that of course some do, it's common behavior.

    Anyways, you sound like that guy who gives out fake personality exams and says it's you just to pull the rug out from underneath you.

    The freedom quote. Who here isn't serious about maintaining their personal freedoms? I'll raise my hand. Who else gets bored standing around at their destination? I'll raise my hand. The metaphorical leash bit is interesting, but not clear. I would clarify, are you saying they don't work when expected to? Because I would disagree. They work when able and willing.

    Freedom being the most valuable thing to you tells me not very much, other than you are normal. Decent pick, mine is obscured behind a lack of knowledge of all possible answers.

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    You know how there's this recurring theme you see in books/movies of people losing the magic of childhood, of no longer seeing the wonder in things? It's kinda true of serious quadras even when they're lighthearted, enthusiastic or whatever. They're adults . . . elves and fairies and leprechauns don't exist, and neither do dreams . . . not really, not in the same way. They have "goals" and "aspirations" but tend to see the idealistic quadras as well, too idealistic, and a bit childish in their worldviews, maybe even delusional. The type 7 SEEs are great though, fun, lighthearted, not too "serious" but they still have their pragmatic streak and look a bit askew at overly romantic ideals. IME, ymmv.

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    Yeah the SEEs I know really like my dorky fan fiction and writing. (cuz it gives them their dual seeking function) However in reality they are just Normie and practical like that and work at 2D Te jobs and try to fit in a lot more than I do and keep up with the jones etc. SEEs have told me how much they really like me but they have to keep it more on the DL because they do feel this kind of ... loyalty to serious Fi stuff? Haha.

    Ugh. I should probably make more of an effort to be a Normie person with a regular str8 man job and not some IEI Fantasy freak but.... noooo.

    Still designing my RPG game btw y'all. =D Ahhh it's going to take forever to complete this but maybe I will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    You know how there's this recurring theme you see in books/movies of people losing the magic of childhood, of no longer seeing the wonder in things? It's kinda true of serious quadras even when they're lighthearted, enthusiastic or whatever. They're adults . . . elves and fairies and leprechauns don't exist, and neither do dreams . . . not really, not in the same way. They have "goals" and "aspirations" but tend to see the idealistic quadras as well, too idealistic, and a bit childish in their worldviews, maybe even delusional. The type 7 SEEs are great though, fun, lighthearted, not too "serious" but they still have their pragmatic streak and look a bit askew at overly romantic ideals. IME, ymmv.
    this is such an interesting way of seeing things, and it vibes right, and you generally know what you're talking about, so i'm enjoying this food for thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alomoes View Post
    You can call them drafts, but all that matters is whether they are true or false. I looked, and they seem as true as the rest of this garbage.

    Keeping up with the Joneses is probably false. The rest is just common sense. And I mean that you are weird for not. Being rude to customers ought to get you fired for example.

    Certainly some people don't, but I would say that those statements are too generic and thus inapplicable to derive what is SEE.

    But yeah, the only thing that is not generic is keeping up with the joneses. Very few people care what other people do, and try to emulate others to compensate for their own subjective inferiority. It is plausible that it happens to be SEE that does it, but who knows. That's probably learned behavior anyways.

    I understand you said some, I'm just saying that of course some do, it's common behavior.

    Anyways, you sound like that guy who gives out fake personality exams and says it's you just to pull the rug out from underneath you.

    The freedom quote. Who here isn't serious about maintaining their personal freedoms? I'll raise my hand. Who else gets bored standing around at their destination? I'll raise my hand. The metaphorical leash bit is interesting, but not clear. I would clarify, are you saying they don't work when expected to? Because I would disagree. They work when able and willing.

    Freedom being the most valuable thing to you tells me not very much, other than you are normal. Decent pick, mine is obscured behind a lack of knowledge of all possible answers.
    Just talking about my experience.

    Of course it's in a comparative sense, they care "more than some others".

    Not really interested in your opinion on the matter - I have more experience and very mich likely to be right on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post
    Yeah the SEEs I know really like my dorky fan fiction and writing. (cuz it gives them their dual seeking function) However in reality they are just Normie and practical like that and work at 2D Te jobs and try to fit in a lot more than I do and keep up with the jones etc. SEEs have told me how much they really like me but they have to keep it more on the DL because they do feel this kind of ... loyalty to serious Fi stuff? Haha.

    Ugh. I should probably make more of an effort to be a Normie person with a regular str8 man job and not some IEI Fantasy freak but.... noooo.

    Still designing my RPG game btw y'all. =D Ahhh it's going to take forever to complete this but maybe I will.
    Yeah, that's like that.

    Sometimes the NTs are also a bit too weird for the taste of SFs...
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    Sometimes the NTs are also a bit too weird for the taste of SFs...
    I'm a bit more familiar with LIE/ESI duality I think. SEE/ILI duality feels a lot rarer to me. Dunno how true that is for Gammas though. It seems that SEEs often find ILIs too nerdy/aloof/mean. And ILIs feel like they respect SEEs but also kind of...ignore them. With the Fe polr I don't think they get excited about them much compared to other dual types.

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    Fair, I'm just warning that you described literally anyone. Who here doesn't do any of those things? I am SEE, I literally do everything you said, and then some, except for one thing.

    My main issue is there's a major problem with stereotyping people where the stereotype is too generic, and applicable to anyone. However, it gets applied to only a small group of people. Why? Because all the stereotypes are generic and can be applied to anyone, but you can't apply multiple stereotypes to one person. As such, I'd make sure that the stereotype isn't that generic, as you'll get people thinking they're ESFp for no good reason.

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