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    Default Why do you prefer your base over your ignoring?

    Some say base is a "hero" function, the function you'd turn to first to help someone in need. The base & ignoring are somewhat inverses of one another, maybe even oppositional. In your view, why do you prefer your base over your ignoring? What makes your base so awesome for you?

    For me, Se is my way of quickly making things happen or simply just to get things moving faster. Si is a beast for the internal state, but too slow & careful for me. I wouldn't be much help focusing on anybody's intern state.

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    It's not a question of preference, it is just the way your psyche is structured.
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    it's not what you may choose
    in your perception to deal with valued regions is more pleasant
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    It's not a question of preference, it is just the way your psyche is structured.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    it's not what you may choose
    in your perception to deal with valued regions is more pleasant
    Yeah but that's acting on auto pilot. The point is to be more deliberate in how & why you do things. Sort of like having both & intimate & accurate knowledge of the self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Yeah but that's acting on auto pilot. The point is to be more deliberate in how & why you do things. Sort of like having both & intimate & accurate knowledge of the self.
    A few things here.

    Type cannot be changed and is a kind of auto-pilot. However, certain things can be improved and knowing your type helps in the personal growth process imo. For personal growth, there is an article by DarkAngelFireWolf69 on his website (can't find it now since their search feature only seems to recognize Russian) about depression and how it relates to the ignoring function. A person has a lot of information in their ignoring function but not a alot of energy, therefore one knows what to do about it but usually doesn't do it. For example, EIE has a good idea of what makes relations work (Fi) but has a hard time with their actual relations with others. The message of the article was that trying to change oneself via the ignoring can actually lead to depression because one is let down with oneself. DarkAngelFireWolf69 says it's better to focus on the role, for example an EIE focusing on what needs to be done in work matters (Te) would represent a better process of growth since the person is more able to implement the information concerning one's role.

    That's just DarkAngelFireWolf69's pov, but I thought it was interesting and the point you are bringing up made me think of that. I think knowing typology should help in the process of self-growth, that's kinda the point, so I don't want to be misunderstood as saying that type-related knowledge is not worth using in self-growth because it is.

    Also when you refer to "accurate knowledge of the self" this makes me think of GI Gurdjieff, since he spoke in those terms, but I'm pretty sure the "self" to him was different from what we call type. Most people won't follow the concepts of Gurdjieff anyways, doesn't mean they can't grow as people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    A few things here.

    Type cannot be changed and is a kind of auto-pilot. However, certain things can be improved and knowing your type helps in the personal growth process imo. For personal growth, there is an article by DarkAngelFireWolf69 on his website (can't find it now since their search feature only seems to recognize Russian) about depression and how it relates to the ignoring function. A person has a lot of information in their ignoring function but not a alot of energy, therefore one knows what to do about it but usually doesn't do it. For example, EIE has a good idea of what makes relations work (Fi) but has a hard time with their actual relations with others. The message of the article was that trying to change oneself via the ignoring can actually lead to depression because one is let down with oneself. DarkAngelFireWolf69 says it's better to focus on the role, for example an EIE focusing on what needs to be done in work matters (Te) would represent a better process of growth since the person is more able to implement the information concerning one's role.

    That's just DarkAngelFireWolf69's pov, but I thought it was interesting and the point you are bringing up made me think of that. I think knowing typology should help in the process of self-growth, that's kinda the point, so I don't want to be misunderstood as saying that type-related knowledge is not worth using in self-growth because it is.

    Also when you refer to "accurate knowledge of the self" this makes me think of GI Gurdjieff, since he spoke in those terms, but I'm pretty sure the "self" to him was different from what we call type. Most people won't follow the concepts of Gurdjieff anyways, doesn't mean they can't grow as people.
    Agree with every word you just uttered, dude. I hadn't disagreed with your original assessment only attempted to open the floor further interpretation. I'm Se. I grasp it, can explain it then give helpful examples. I can also recognize Si, explain it but wouldn't be much help to others. I can, however, suggest people who are more qualified to supply that function instead.

    We're making similar points, just explaining it different. I find the dichotomy between the base & ignoring fascinating, especially the way one is almost forced to choose base out of necessity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    For personal growth, there is an article by DarkAngelFireWolf69 on his website (can't find it now since their search feature only seems to recognize Russian) about depression and how it relates to the ignoring function.
    Профилактика депрессий - рекомендации соционики, как типам избежать депрессивных состояний (socioniks.net)

    Probably this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Yeah but that's acting on auto pilot. The point is to be more deliberate in how & why you do things. Sort of like having both & intimate & accurate knowledge of the self.
    Is what you want to know how one perceives ignoring vs base and how they concretely act about each domaines?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowers and sugar View Post
    Is what you want to know how one perceives ignoring vs base and how they concretely act about each domaines?
    Partially. I was asking why one prefers base over ignoring, in specific detail. Of course we're wired a certain way but I was curious about the how's, why's & personal accounts if people wanted to share.

    Your post is relevant. You're free to explain how you concretely deal with your base/ignoring dichotomy. Sounds awesome

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    It’s not a preference. This is how I’m wired.

    Tbh I prefer Se or Ne any day of the week. Si is boring, tedious, and energy-sucking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    It’s not a preference. This is how I’m wired.

    Tbh I prefer Se or Ne any day of the week. Si is boring, tedious, and energy-sucking.
    I appreciate the humility & honesty but I know tons of Si-valuers who need people just like you. Interesting how, regardless of the way we view ourselves, there are others out there who think we're freaking awesome. Crazy world, huh

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    I don't really prefer it. I just - go in these long Ni rants so naturally. Looking back at myself it's like 'goddamnit you Ni ego you'

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    This is simply because I resembles a specific type of information metabolism.

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    In my case, I need to see change and results in the external world to feel satisfied with my life, so all extroverted functions are given privilege, even though I try to "use" Ti/Te with a lot of concentration but it is more as a way to solve what intuition alone can't do, like organizing my life and defining what I want to accomplish
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    It is better to stay away from Nihilism and go for Necrosis instead.

    Ok, I kind of process past sort of trendy stuff but my mind wants to process future timeless trajectories on paper as definite things with inventable procedures. "I can't begin to deconstruct my formulaic answer" has never been on my mind - I tend to look for the tiniest exception just for the heck of it - and it can give new novel solutions.
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    I guess it's just because it's easy to get things done with Te and I'm not stuck on more theoretical concepts as much.

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