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    Quote Originally Posted by EIE View Post
    I also wonder if anyone on his team found the massive thread on here or if there was random drama behind the scenes in his classes.
    lmao, I hope they did.

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    I'd just take down the page if that was the ultimate reason. Anyway, thee were others who dealt with this and got a response already so ....
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    It is their job, they are getting payed from this and there will be always problematic clients. Besides outputs of systems of typology, psychology cannot be proven and verified, it should be expected that some people will disagree with the typings that they got. If they stopped because of this, they would stopped doing this long time ago and if that is the case, I am not really sure how did they come so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethany View Post
    I think what DCNH may be useful for is for thinking about why someone (dual or not) might not be good for you. Let's say you're seeing someone and you're not sure if it feels quite right. Let's use me as an example (I'm a H). If I was dating someone and they seemed a bit too D-ish or H-ish, well maybe it's a sign that it's not the right person for you. If they seem C-ish or a C/N-ish then, it's a sign that it might have actual potential. This stuff can often be instinctive but it's not always- you might need to consider the options. Also, you might like the person (and they are a matching subtype)- C for me, but it's not working and maybe you need to think about why..well maybe this person is mostly C but with a strong dash of D. And therefore not the 'right' C for you
    I think DCNH is a little bit more flexible than that though. For example I was typed as a complex subtype "DC" - which the way Gulenko explains combined subtypes, this means I operate more as a D when dealing with people with a large communicative distance, and more C when there's a closer distance. My best friend was typed as EIE CH, so he's C at a far distance, and H at a closer distance. And @SGF is between subtypes, where he could transition to C if he's able to become more contact (less cautious, more stepping in to things, quicker reactions rather than reserved or holding back etc.) In other words, these aren't completely set in stone, there's some give in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    It is their job, they are getting payed from this and there will be always problematic clients. Besides outputs of systems of typology, psychology cannot be proven and verified, it should be expected that some people will disagree with the typings that they got. If they stopped because of this, they would stopped doing this long time ago and if that is the case, I am not really sure how did they come so far.
    I agree, I thought of that too. Just trying to figure it out. Lol it’s probably something silly

    theres no possibility that this could be an email thing is there? Like maybe some people are getting sent to spam or the two just won’t compute idk (I don’t know crap about these things, just brainstorming lol-now this is bugging me and I want to figure it out )
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    Quote Originally Posted by SGF View Post
    lmao, I hope they did.
    omg, if so....How embarrassing

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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    I agree, I thought of that too. Just trying to figure it out. Lol it’s probably something silly

    theres no possibility that this could be an email thing is there? Like maybe some people are getting sent to spam or the two just won’t compute idk (I don’t know crap about these things, just brainstorming lol-now this is bugging me and I want to figure it out )
    They could be having a break, focusing on another project or being lazy etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    I think DCNH is a little bit more flexible than that though. For example I was typed as a complex subtype "DC" - which the way Gulenko explains combined subtypes, this means I operate more as a D when dealing with people with a large communicative distance, and more C when there's a closer distance. My best friend was typed as EIE CH, so he's C at a far distance, and H at a closer distance. And @SGF is between subtypes, where he could transition to C if he's able to become more contact (less cautious, more stepping in to things, quicker reactions rather than reserved or holding back etc.) In other words, these aren't completely set in stone, there's some give in them.
    Agreed to all. It is also written that people can change their DCHN type.

    I also think accentuated IEs can change everything, ESI-C(Se) will be very different than ESI-C(Ne).

    For example, Peter is typed as LSI-N, he seems very smooth, has that Fi element although apparently being a Ti-valuing.



    This person also typed as LSI-N, he seems very Ti, he does not have that smoothness.



    They don't seem similar at all. If N type means fitting more into IJ temperament, that also doesn't make sense, because Peter doesn't have that solid IJ energy, seems more flexible. According to two type system, if LSI has accentuated Fi, that means they are LSI-Se. If they have accentuated Ti, that means they are LSI-Ti.

    According to DCHN dichotomies, LSI-Fi (LSI-Se) needs to distance, according to two subtype system, that person needs to contact more.

    However, for SLE-N, Fi or Ti accentuation doesn't create this kind of difference, they still be more inert and distancing. Yet again due to the position of Fi and Ti, there should be other major differences.

    The position of IE changes everything in Model A and Model G. Therefore, I don't think D/N and C/H can be compatible for every case.

    I think DCHN has some major gaps but I am glad that it exists, so people are more open to the idea of having accentuation of IEs that are not in their ego block or that are not valued by them.

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    thanks, I need to read up on the theory more. I'm very curious about what it is that provides duals with the potential for compatibility (other than good mental health, good timing and just being duals) and what it is that can make them not compatible and how fixed this is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    I think DCNH is a little bit more flexible than that though. For example I was typed as a complex subtype "DC" - which the way Gulenko explains combined subtypes, this means I operate more as a D when dealing with people with a large communicative distance, and more C when there's a closer distance. My best friend was typed as EIE CH, so he's C at a far distance, and H at a closer distance. And @SGF is between subtypes, where he could transition to C if he's able to become more contact (less cautious, more stepping in to things, quicker reactions rather than reserved or holding back etc.) In other words, these aren't completely set in stone, there's some give in them.
    Does he only type some people with a 'complex subtype'? Do some people get a single subtype? - e.g just H. Yep, I know they say subtype can change. Is a 'complex subtype' to do with transitioning from one to another or do some people just generally have more of a complex subtype than others, if that makes sense.

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    I think it could be even more useful to think about subtypes for non-dual relationships or attraction between people. You know you get those non-duals who feel like their your soul mate? or your fake dual lol Perhaps not a relationship that can work long-term but it's interesting to think about what causes such strong connections. When the stars align, I think it's almost like a faux duality between people. And I don't mean compatible non duals exactly, more like an intense feeling of connection between two people. I suppose the same could happen with two duals, who are attracted to each other, but wouldn't work as a couple. But maybe stronger with a non-dual.
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    My understanding is that the dual (i.e. 2) subtype system is a relatively recent development. Here's a post on it: http://varlawend.blogspot.com/2020/0...-subtypes.html

    If someone was typed a while ago, they probably didn't receive a dual subtype. It's also possible that both aspects of the subtype are more apparent from some interviews than others, hence why some people receive them and others don't. Or, it could be that someone has the same DCNH for both subtypes (e.g. DD or HH). Doesn't shed much light on the exact answer, but might explain some of the differences in diagnostics.


    And in regards to the differences in the 2 videos posted of LSI-N: there's a reason Gulenko uses a 2 video format. Only so much information can be gleaned from 2 minutes of undirected video footage with different cameras and in different spaces. Plus, I would hope that two people who share a type-subtype still have differences that make them individuals.

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    oh wow, the blog is cool..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethany View Post
    lol shame the video has no English
    There can be switched on auto-translated English subs.

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    As we talk about Gulenko - he formally is situated in "ukraine" . The word "ukraina" is translated from Russian as territory near a border. Since 1991 they are geting an indoctrination that it's a special nation, and not one of Russian provinces. As you may notice the language is Russian there, and not there formal "state" ukranian "language" which is one of local dialects, artifically some developed, and with an input of polish and archaic Russian words. until 18th century's end a half(!) "ukranian" territory to south from Kiev was wild nomads land which was conqured by Russia, and some before on a short time by Poland - it's common story, Russia joined many lands and ethnoses since 16th century. Syberia was joined earlier than that south "ukranian" land. It's alike Alaska would claim itself as a special nation with own culture, language, etc. They named themselves as Russians since 10th century until 20th century when appeared USSR with several artificial pseudonational republics. And sometimes could use "ukranian" in the sense of a region, but not a nation.


    > I am getting a relaxed vibe from him, which is why I think I like him haha.

    now we understand that Gulenko makes a hypnosis to convince in his typing

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    Following to this egocentric idea applied to a nation, nazism can be named as nationalistic liberalism. The term "imperialism" (used by Marx) is close too.

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    So you could decide on your type and then figure out an order of which other types would be compatible for you.. @myresearch it reminds me of the enneagram stuff we spoke about. (I still need to go back to it and perfect my understanding).

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    Although I guess the type is changeable (a bit like all the lines on the enneagram) etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangerouslandsvape View Post
    And in regards to the differences in the 2 videos posted of LSI-N: there's a reason Gulenko uses a 2 video format. Only so much information can be gleaned from 2 minutes of undirected video footage with different cameras and in different spaces. Plus, I would hope that two people who share a type-subtype still have differences that make them individuals.
    Ofcourse every person is going to be different regardless of their subtype, we all have individualistic features. However, typology based on finding similarities. DCHN isn't a seperate system, it is connected to socionics. According to socionics, position of IEs matter the most, cannot be disregarded.

    I shared those videos to illustrate what I meant. DCHN contradicts with two subtype system. DCHN completely disregards the position of IEs, how can SLE-D(Te) could use that Te enhancement in a similar way with LSE-D(Te) or LSI-D(Te). Someone has enhanced demonstrative IE, other has enhanced base IE, other one has enhanced ignoring. The position determines how that IE is used. Again, how can someone is able to enhance their role and base IE at the most, role shadows the base, base shadows the role.

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    they only gave me one subtype (N) when people before me and around the same time were getting two, but I personally suspect I could be NH. I may not have given enough information and/or there wasnt apparent evidence of a secondary subtype, enough to be distinguished
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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    they only gave me one subtype (N) when people before me and around the same time were getting two, but I personally suspect I could be NH. I may not have given enough information and/or there wasnt apparent evidence of a secondary subtype, enough to be distinguished
    as far as I know, complex subtypes are rather rare. I haven't observed them all that much myself tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    Ofcourse every person is going to be different regardless of their subtype, we all have individualistic features. However, typology based on finding similarities. DCHN isn't a seperate system, it is connected to socionics. According to socionics, position of IEs matter the most, cannot be disregarded.

    I shared those videos to illustrate what I meant. DCHN contradicts with two subtype system. DCHN completely disregards the position of IEs, how can SLE-D(Te) could use that Te enhancement in a similar way with LSE-D(Te) or LSI-D(Te). Someone has enhanced demonstrative IE, other has enhanced base IE, other one has enhanced ignoring. The position determines how that IE is used. Again, how can someone is able to enhance their role and base IE at the most, role shadows the base, base shadows the role.

    Behaviour is impacted by the governance of energy over time (essentially what Model G is describing). The idea that type is immediately apparent and not an underlying feature is what I take issue with, hence my comment on using 2 minutes of video. There are a lot of superfluous factors that impact behaviour, which is why I think it's a bit silly to zoom in on extraneous details that may be a feature of the underlying type, or just a blip on the radar.

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    Out of all the people typed by Victor, fairly few of them got a dual subtype. I myself got a single subtype (C) and I think it's accurate, I suppose with more information you could go deeper (or not) but I don't really see it as necessary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangerouslandsvape View Post
    Behaviour is impacted by the governance of energy over time (essentially what Model G is describing).
    Agreed but DCHN isn't built upon that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dangerouslandsvape View Post
    The idea that type is immediately apparent and not an underlying feature is what I take issue with, hence my comment on using 2 minutes of video. There are a lot of superfluous factors that impact behaviour, which is why I think it's a bit silly to zoom in on extraneous details that may be a feature of the underlying type, or just a blip on the radar.
    Agreed but what I have said remains true regardless of those videos. Based on Model A and Model G, LSI-Fi has to be more smooth and flexible than LSI-Ti.

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    @Sol

    ah yes, I had noticed he was based in Kiev. Ta for the history info

    >now we understand that Gulenko makes a hypnosis to convince in his typing

    he's so funny to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    theres no possibility that this could be an email thing is there? Like maybe some people are getting sent to spam or the two just won’t compute idk (I don’t know crap about these things, just brainstorming lol-now this is bugging me and I want to figure it out )
    This kind of thing is complex, I'm not even sure myself and I work in IT- people's emails getting sent to spam is possible but why would this be more than one person all of sudden? They sent me an email a while back, asking me personally (well, it had my name on it) if I wanted to take classes over skype, didn't reply on time because alot to do but I think I'll reply now, out of courtesy but also just to test the waters.


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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    they only gave me one subtype (N)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    This kind of thing is complex, I'm not even sure myself and I work in IT- people's emails getting sent to spam is possible but why would this be more than one person all of sudden? They sent me an email a while back, asking me personally (well, it had my name on it) if I wanted to take classes over skype, didn't reply on time because alot to do but I think I'll reply now, out of courtesy but also just to test the waters.
    lol you should maybe if they reply you could mention the issue?

    but it seems to me like the typings have dried up? I don’t think anyone has mentioned getting typed lately on here? The typings by gulenko thread seems kind of dead. However I know people from this site are also on others and I’m not, so maybe I’m missing people...

    anyway, I’m kind of disappointed myself because imo it’s pretty interesting and constructive to the site, and I hate to see anyone get discouraged by this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    lol you should maybe if they reply you could mention the issue?

    but it seems to me like the typings have dried up? I don’t think anyone has mentioned getting typed lately on here? The typings by gulenko thread seems kind of dead. However I know people from this site are also on others and I’m not, so maybe I’m missing people...

    anyway, I’m kind of disappointed myself because imo it’s pretty interesting and constructive to the site, and I hate to see anyone get discouraged by this.
    Yeah, I wrote them, I'll mention the issue if they show a sign of still existing (they reply) lol.

    Yeah, besides Fay I haven't seen anyone get typed lately and they haven't posted any new feedback videos either...okay I'll mention it if they reply to me. People have a right to know lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BrightDemonSheep96 View Post
    IEI-N: Poet in Cinderella's clothes. Writes with ash instead of blood. I'd consider that an upgrade first glance because I don't have a clue about the ash....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrightDemonSheep96 View Post
    IEI-N: Poet in Cinderella's clothes. Writes with ash instead of blood. I'd consider that an upgrade first glance because I don't have a clue about the ash....
    Haha

    that’s a pretty good description, actually
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bethany View Post
    Does he only type some people with a 'complex subtype'? Do some people get a single subtype? - e.g just H. Yep, I know they say subtype can change. Is a 'complex subtype' to do with transitioning from one to another or do some people just generally have more of a complex subtype than others, if that makes sense.
    I think most people were given just a single subtype. It wasn't about transitioning between them when you got a combined subtype. The people who got information about transitioning were moving from one single subtype to a different one it seems. They were one way in the past, and now they are moving towards being a different way.

    Instead, for the combined subtypes it was that there were characteristics of both. The reasoning he gave for a combined subtype on mine:

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    What can we say about her subtype? - The most probable subtype in DCNH system is the first one, i.e. dominant (D). Why?

    This is evidenced by her contactness (daring to face danger, a tendency to express her opinion and unwillingness to stand aside in controversial situations), as well as orderliness in affairs and relationships, supplemented by the desire to bring things to an end in the most important matters (terminality).

    Contactness in combination with terminality gives a dominant subtype. That is why it is so important for X not to have bosses over her. However, this craving for freedom together with curiosity leads me to the conclusion that she has a combined subtype, namely the dominant-creative one.

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    cuz gulenko is fkin garbage

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    They could be having a break, focusing on another project or being lazy etc.

    Let's find out
    @Poptart when did you send your first mail and what was the email address?
    @Fay when did you send your first mail and what was the email address?
    First email was back in January iirc. The second was in March. I sent it through a form on the website.

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    IEI-N: Poet in Cinderella's clothes. Writes with ash instead of blood. I'd consider that an upgrade first glance because I don't have a clue about the ash....
    Yay, I'm the spotlight of the holy grail piston as Ash from Pokemon, and as Pokemon Red Version with Charizard in front as blood!! The motion picture Nintendo grew boxes of 360 around the world journey from Pallet Town to Indigo Plateau as I fill in every Xbox360 in Pokedex expert classifier!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Number 9 large View Post
    cuz gulenko is fkin garbage
    Some folks feel as if they are exalted or uplifted beyond all the rest, like their way, or their view is so superior and strong. To be skeptical, to entertain eavesdropping on the outer forcefields, and undress the curtain to get other sources of guidance, such as treasure hunts and rabbit soda pop can show us the real source of worlds above bookcases for cracking the clockwork of the ultimate system.

    I have observed that people on this website have a technical expertise that's really sharply identifying of little tree branches in the multi-fractal explosion of every fiber and twitch in your psycho-analytical cards of identity and dialect, but they could think that C3P0 is some sort of God!!
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    People will always find flaws in any system and argue with anything.

    Personally, I find that his descriptions of Si don't make any sense with what Si actually is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    First email was back in January iirc. The second was in March. I sent it through a form on the website.
    Looking at G typing thread, other people must have sent email after you (after January) and get typed.

    However, probably noone on this forum send an e-mail in March maybe only Fay could be an exception.

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    the way Fay was talking, I was thinking she did the interview a while back, and she was just now sharing
    @Poptart did you try maybe sending them an email directly from your email to theirs, without using the form? Maybe it has something to do with the form, something not working with it...
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    They haven't responded to my email last night, usually they reply very quickly so something is not right. I didn't use the form so it must be something else. Not sure what.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    They haven't responded to my email last night, usually they reply very quickly so something is not right. I didn't use the form so it must be something else. Not sure what.
    weird

    half tempted to try to contact them myself lol...you know, about their ‘classes’
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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    weird

    half tempted to try to contact them myself lol...you know, about their ‘classes’
    Haha


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