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    Default The irrational/rational dichotomy

    My take is irrational/rational relationships are destined to kinda suck. Even though I'm an irrational type I def recognize that rationals are necessary in a grip of ways. However, I still hesitate to date my activity (EIE) cause I believe they decide too quick. I'd probably date (not marry) a mirage before I did an activity.

    I'm wondering if others have a similar experience on this one.

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    I agree with this.

    I’ve seen a lot of j/p relationships and they always seem like the house looks mostly OK from the outside, but the foundation is broken.

    As if, when you dive really deeply into the relationship, there are fundamental and unfixable differences.

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    Irrational and rational have unfortunate dictionary meanings; the so-called dichotomy should be labelled input (p) and output (j) oriented respectively. It's difficult for these two orientations to remain on the same path, have non-conflicting approaches or methods, and or have similar measures of achievement or success unless there's a governing authority. They can have very similar interests but usually for very differing reasons. Some pairs start out well together, which can be maintained while they remain independent of one another, but when they become dependent on one another, they see that they view life completely differently. Mirror pairs are the poster-children of this dichotomy.

    a.k.a. I/O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebelondeck View Post
    Irrational and rational have unfortunate dictionary meanings; the so-called dichotomy should be labelled input (p) and output (j) oriented respectively. It's difficult for these two orientations to remain on the same path, have non-conflicting approaches or methods, and or have similar measures of achievement or success unless there's a governing authority. They can have very similar interests but usually for very differing reasons. Some pairs start out well together, which can be maintained while they remain independent of one another, but when they become dependent on one another, they see that they view life completely differently. Mirror pairs are the poster-children of this dichotomy.

    a.k.a. I/O
    I know three or four ESI-ILI marriages and one LIE-SEE marriage, and they got together quick and now are showing contempt for each other. All of them.

    I have a ton of ILI friends. I like them. I dated an ILI female for a while and I really liked the way her mind worked, but I really, really couldn’t imagine being married to her.

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    Activity > mirage imo. I would never date my mirror.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    Activity > mirage imo. I would never date my mirror.
    I've had far better casual relationships with mirage partners than with activity. I would expect that mirages find me overly distant while I find a lot of them aggressively opinionated. Now, most activity partners seem find me downright irritating while I find many of them overly defensive, with few opinions of their own and or easily insulted or hurt; however, relationships with them weren't nearly as bad as those with mirrors. Mirrors tend to think that their partners are doing it all wrong and should be stopped.

    a.k.a. I/O
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    I'm not exactly singing the praises of mirage here. Just find that the j/p (or rational/irrational) dichotomy matters in close distances. After working with both an Fe dom (EIE) & a Ti dom at my job (I'm an SLE) for some time, their J preference becomes irritating. Meanwhile, the two mirages (Fe subtypes) at work flow better

    I'd say people on the net overrate activity. Mirrors have the J preference but are also redundant. They simply repeat crap you're already aware of.

    Again, nothing against J's. Society needs 'em for sure

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