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    Recently I’ve been reading a little into DCNH theory. I’ve been trying to type people I know according to Gulenko’s descriptions.

    I was just wondering if people have any comments about the relationships they have with people of each of the different subtypes?

    I am H subtype and I have friends of all subtypes. I spend time mostly with H, followed by C/N and then D. I did used to have more D friends.

    Atm I have 4 x H friends, 2 x N friends, 3 x C friends (one is my sister) and 3 x D friends. I am not that close to the D friends but they are newish friends/ an old friend who I don’t see much. I had 2 close friends in the past who were D type but for one reason or another I am not friends with them anymore.

    H friends- I enjoy their presence, there is a gentleness in their manner and any differences in opinion/ moments of annoyance usually pass very quickly and don't cause tension. I almost instinctively know ‘where they are coming from’ and it’s not an issue. We have nice chats about life, common interests, sometimes our dreams. Supportive friends but not very good at giving practical advice. I don’t think we always understand each other’s problems but we are sympathetic.

    C friends- I think of them as special and that I have a special bond with them. We have deep chats at times but it can be sporadic, other times it’s feels more awkward/ even dull, and we have misunderstandings in communications which can cause stress. One way or another, they make me feel alive. I might admire their manner, their humour, their intelligence or their approach to life. Advice on problems is hit and miss but generally I suppose it’s ok. Speak to them quite regularly.

    N friends- Great for having in-depth conversation or discussion about personal views where there is a shared area of interest (e.g politics/relationships). There is a sense of respect and interest in each other’s views. Instinctively I think we know not to expose certain aspects of our true views/emotions (the parts that the other wouldn’t understand and wouldn’t know how to respond). Also good for chit chat and there are sometimes affectionate moments.

    D friends- I think a good D type would be like a ‘best friend’. My best friends in the past have all been this type. But it’s not the easiest relationship as it can be quite intense. With friends in the past the relationship involved long, in-depth conversations about experiences, identity and our personal lives. Affectionate and some humour. I think we could be quite critical of each other, however and this led to misunderstandings and mistrust. There could also be a sense of competition. Also, we would spend a lot of time together- be part of the same ‘group’.

    With D friends I have now- I’m trying to improve these friendships. They are people I go to for advice, to listen to each other’s dreams and woes, to have long catch ups about what’s going on in our lives. I feel quite energised by them. I think the end goal is to be comfortable with disagreeing with each other or in giving mutual constructive criticism. The honesty in the friendship can be healthy and lead to more openness. Also, we often have similar views about fairness and injustice.


    I have provided some information below which people might like to read (take from Gulenko's site) about DCNH, also some info from an older article about DCNH relationship dynamics.

    You can also find type specific subtype descriptions here: https://d3fnsdcdfam5fep5d4hhrc72oq-a...wledge/#podtyp

    From Gulenko's site:

    Today, the most common and used as a standard is the DCNH subtype system, when a subtype is considered as a strengthening of a temperamental pair of functions:

    D (dominant) subtype (also sometimes referred to as a linearly assertive subtype) - as strengthening the functions of E + P - a variant of the sociotype, which is characterized by vigorous activity to achieve the set goals, and all possible resources, including human resources, are often involved in the implementation of these goals, in this way, such a person acts as a motivator for the people around him and the engine of the group;

    C (creative) subtype (also sometimes referred to as a flexible and flexible subtype) - as strengthening the functions of I + F - a variant of the sociotype, which is characterized by non-standard perception of situations and non-standard reactions to them, the introduction of something new, that the group in which such a person is included, makes it possible to develop flexibly by choosing the direction of movement (moreover, such a group can be either an informal team or family, or a fairly large organization);

    N (normalizing) subtype(also sometimes denoted as a balanced-stable subtype) - as an enhancement of the functions L + R - a variant of the sociotype, which is characterized by the identification, establishment and maintenance of norms and rules governing both the formal and informal side of life, the ordering of the surrounding space (in the broadest sense - from the allocation of a personal place for each thing to behavior in public places). This variant of the sociotype tolerates the situation of uncertainty and constant unpredictable changes in the rules worse than the others (however, it must be remembered that the comparison is between the variants within the same sociotype and the situation, which for the normalizing LSI will be perceived as a situation of uncertainty and cause comfort, for the normalizing LII may well be perceived as definite and regular,and therefore do not cause any moral discomfort);

    H (harmonizing) subtype (also sometimes referred to as a susceptible-adaptive subtype) - as an enhancement of the functions S + T - a variant of the sociotype, which is characterized by sensitivity to changes in the broadest sense (from changes in one's own body to changes in the development of an organization), developed aesthetic flair. This variant of the sociotype tolerates aggravated conflicts and contradictions worse than the others, as a result of which it tends to "pour oil into a storm", and if it is impossible to eliminate the conflict, it tends to distance itself from the situation physically and psychologically.

    The piece below is from an older article by Gulenko:

    * Subtype relations that are symmetrical and attractive. Provisionally, this is called subtype duality. These relations appear between people of opposite subtypes and have a smoothing, harmonizing nature. They are difficult to start at first, but later partners begin to more deeply appreciate the advantages of the division of labor provided within these relations. The harder the conditions for existence - the more durable are these relations.

    * Subtype relations that are symmetrical and repellent. They are called subtype identity. These relations appear between people of identical subtypes. These relations are characterized by creativity. Initially, these relations bring about a mutual uplifting, but over time differences accumulate within this dyad and mutual disappointment sets in. These relations typically don't pass verification for strength (of the relationship). They are useful for duplicating, reserve roles, preparation for rotation or change in leadership/staff.

    * Subtypes relations that are asymmetric and attractive. Their applicable name is subtype benefit. Their nature includes pushing, urging, and one-sided activation. D-subtype prevails over C-subtype. C prevails over N-subtype. Normalizing, in turn, prevails over H-subtype. The harmonizer, by paradoxical means, influences the dominant participant. Thus the circle is complete [similarly to a benefit ring of sociotypes]. These relations are the main accelerating factor of group dynamics.

    * Subtype relations that are asymmetric and repellent. To designate these relations we will use the term subtype supervision. They bear the nature of rate setting, retention within a framework, one-sided slowing down. They have the opposite direction compared to subtype benefit. They are useful in terms of correction and fixing of errors. Dominant inspects harmonizing. Harmonizing inspects normalizing. Normalizing impedes and corrects creative. And creative - dominant. Here we have the closing of the contour of the ring, only in reverse direction of the main vector.

    Now for some brief conclusions on specialization of intertype relations:

    * Identical subtypes contribute to each other's intellectual development (understanding, instruction, the generation of ideas in a region of interest);
    * Benefit subtypes are most suitable for social activity, intensive work, outward expansion;
    * Supervision subtypes are specialized for psychological stabilization, the balancing of dreams and reality; they are most suitable for friendship and training;
    * Dual subtypes offer physical compatibility (lifestyle, intimate relations).
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    Quote Originally Posted by asd View Post
    Some people are basically closer to being ‘undifferentiated’ I think at least relative to clear representation of the subtypes
    Yes, I agree, although I think Gulenko does a good job of identifying 4 subtypes which people will roughly fall into. The descriptions seem to capture idiosyncrasies as well as personality aspects which make it easy to sort people into a subtype. However, I think ennegram tritype can also be used to further differentiate people in a subtype and potentially explain aspects of compatibility/ relationship dynamics. What I like about Gulenko's descriptions is the simplicity. Rather than thinking about the tritype or the sociotype (complicated..), I can focus on the DCNH type and the limits that the relationship has or the potential it has that I can work towards. Of course, things like tritype could explain why a friendship might not work so well. For example, for a while I had an SEI friend who was harmonsing like me and also the same tritype (but different order and instinct stack). But we didn't have loads to talk about and sometimes it even felt like we were just repeating each other or found each other's thoughts difficult to concentrate on.
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    I think the fact that I’m a normalizing type explains a lot of my dynamics with people I’ve come a crossed. I noticed I do tend to ‘dominate’ over H types. I didn’t know what it was about some people that allowed me to take the reigns and be kind of ‘mean’ to them (I’m not kidding). Creative types are too chaotic and assertive for me. I can sometimes be that way to them (a meanie), too, but they have a bite. I mean they can be fun and nice to talk to in spurts, but long term we don’t have similar ideas for how to live life. Other N types- well there is a type of understanding there. Respect. They don’t rub me the wrong way. Dominant types I seem to have the most respect for. I’ve always liked the assertive doers, especially with an air of responsibility. These are people I can respect and follow, which is what quality I tend to admire in people. Also, I need people to be kind of assertive and straight forward with me from time to time, because I tend to try to see how far I can go with people, and if they bend or break, and don’t bite back~ I will end up loosing respect for them and trying to walk all over them. This is why I think D types suit me best Not so much for friendships, but definitely relationships.

    for reference, my cousin X growing up was probably a creative type and we fought constantly. I think my 9 year old daughter is also a C type...son is probably an H type and my 11 year old a D type, like her father. Explains our interactions a lot and my place in our family/how everyone gets along. I mean, I’m sure that function dimensionality play a part, too, but it’s what I’ve noticed.
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    Having an omega simulation of imaginary friends and archons of the other side is when we play victory for the horn, that flavor and demonstrations of elementary school skittles raid the playing shore.

    Using a system or a boxing network/configuration for intellectualizing the social canopy seems arousing and well engineered. To have a set, entanglement, stratification, an emblem on all parts and pieces bring wisdom of the force and tears to the astronaut, larger than life.
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    Hm I just think I may have got what I need from
    socionics and don’t need it anymore. I think I know how to handle relationships with colleagues/friends/family now..I’ve always know how to, I was just a bit naive in my expectations of romantic relationships. I also think Gulenko is trying to bring some clarity and tolerance to the system, with his DCNH ideas- the idea that we can get along with any of the types if we understand their DCNH role in society.
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    my problem with normalising subtypes is that I personally just experience a lot of boredom when I'm with them for a while. I can appreciate them from a distance and see their value but close contact leads to me just getting irritated. I think C/N works decently well as friendship, when you don't have all that much contact to each other. ethical types are a bit easier for me to deal with overall. logical N-subs are often just very rigid about some framework that they have built and you can't really discuss with them once they have made up their mind about something.

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    And then you get those borderline people (dominant/creative) to my H. Confusing and difficult.
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