Erotic attitudes

[FreelancePoliceman]

Some people say that SLEs are junkyard dogs.

Some people say that SLEs are gentlemen thinkers.

All I know is that when I told people here that I was an e8w7, no one believed me because I seemed too "nice".

Well, fuck off.

It's possible to be a guy who lives his life on his own principles, and still be diplomatic enough to get what he wants without appearing to be a psychopath.
That's called being smart.

Most type 8s I've known often appear calm and thoughtful for what it's worth. From a few seconds of thinking about it I think they're all T types.

Anyway, I don't think 8 is about anger at its core. The impression those kinds of people give me is that they have an automatic feeling of entitlement to everything. The anger is more a reaction to having that sense of "possession" challenged, maybe. No, I'm less sure of that. 8 is maybe more like a more energetic 5, trying to assimilate the outside world into the self than simply "possessing" it. At least that's how it seems to me.

[Adam Strange]

I wonder if watching porn is type-related. シ

This could be the topic of a research project.

I'd pitch it to the porn companies on the angle that they can get more bang for their buck (so to speak) in targeted advertising. Should be good for half a mil in funding.

[Adam Strange]

Most type 8s I've known often appear calm and thoughtful fwiw. From a few seconds of thinking about it I think they're all T types.

Inside our heads, cities are burning. The question that is always with us is, though, is "how much should we open the furnace door?"

[Poptart]

Most type 8s I've known often appear calm and thoughtful fwiw. From a few seconds of thinking about it I think they're all T types.

A lot of enneagram 8s are LxEs imo.

ESxPs are often 7w8.

[FreelancePoliceman]

This could be the topic of a research project.

I'd pitch it to the porn companies on the angle that they can get more bang for their buck (so to speak) in targeted advertising. Should be good for half a mil in funding.

First to sell them on Socionics. Lol.

[rose]

All I really have on this topic is that I want someone who knows what they want and gives me space to figure out what I want. Relationships are built over time for me, the idea of "love at first sight" bothers me. I've had people say they loved me not even a day after we had met, like no you don't, idk what's happening but I'm not buying that as love.

[FreelancePoliceman]

All I really have on this topic is that I want someone who knows what they want and gives me space to figure out what I want. Relationships are built over time for me, the idea of "love at first sight" bothers me. I've had people say they loved me not even a day after we had met, like no you don't, idk what's happening but I'm not buying that as love.

What do you consider love?

[rose]

What do you consider love?

Maybe I'll tell you once I know. I only felt universal love so far, that doesn't belong in this thread.

[Stray Cat]

In conclusion, admits to being an alcoholic fraud sleazy con artist.

Transforms back; Empathetic housekeeping communicator to porn-loving egotistical SLE gangsta.

Blames others as being crybabies. Forum resumes as usual.

My own conclusion: Types (+IM) can be detected online to a certain degree

[MissDucki]

Alright, I am going to bring it back on topic a bit.

I kinda want to discuss my victim friend in comparison. I have a close LIE-Ni friend and we talk about love and romance a lot. One thing she always discusses about is that she needs a guy who is not afraid to be direct with her and feel that chemistry and that bit of aggression. I have noticed she responds well to Se men from both Beta and Gamma types. She always affirms that she needs a strong man and she really enjoys men who demonstrate strong masculine protective traits. She seemed to have run into a caregiver recently and while she liked him initially, it fizzled quite quickly as she found him too polite and distant. In relationships, she tends to be more of a spiritual caregiver and we do discuss these aspects from time to times. I always find this interesting cause I am the opposite.

I don't like men who are too aggressive with me. While I do find it attractive when a man shows interest in me directly and feels protective over me, I can't have it too fast as her. She seems to need that shakeup more then I do. We always come back to the topic that she needs a very straightforward and aggressive dude that is not afraid to go after her and is certain. I need a more of a polite and slightly distant dude who is certain but is not afraid to take his time and be slow with me.

Another thing I want to mention, A lot of male aggressors friends/coworker have assumed that I am weak and feel the need to take me under their wing. I don't know if it's cause I come across cute, naive, and innocent but, I find it strange. Don't get me wrong, I want to feel protected and it is my number one need in a partner. Just, with Aggressor men, they kinda assume that I am weak and need to be taken care of and protected because of it. I had a dope SLE coworker that was my favorite and he was older then me. He was like an older brother and we chat from time to time. The funny thing I noticed at work is that he would get overly surprised when I showed attributes that I can stand on my own too feet and that I wasn't as innocence as he once thought. The other SLE that I knew don't seem to know how to take it either it seems.
Just I find the aggressor style a little strange in their reasoning behind the need to protect me. I want to be protected cause a guy values me and finds me special and just not because I come across as seemingly weak. I can be wrong, Aggressors, please feel free to critique me if your reasoning and attraction is different. Just, that is how I viewed it coming from a caregiver perspective.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

Transforms back; Empathetic housekeeping communicator to porn-loving egotistical SLE gangsta.

You know I kinda don't like society's notion that you can't be two of those things at the same time though. I mean to a point of course. But if that SLE I knew stayed in his room and looked up (legal of course) porn all day instead of robbing a bank - he'd be in a better position in life. Probably not good enough for some people but still helluva lot better than being in prison and having his life totally dictated by Delta Te authority people.

[peteronfireee2]

Differences in polarity (masculine vs feminine) creates attraction:

Masculine energy directs/leads, Feminine energy reacts/follows.


Compatibility between informational elements creates different erotic styles

Aggressors have Se in their ego block, Victims have Ni.

Caregivers have Si in their ego block, Infantiles have Ne.


In your case, as a caregiver, you want masculine energy + Ne, but were surprised with masculine energy +Se

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

@MissDucki

Beta & Gamma female quadra str8 women do seem to prefer to like aggressive males more than alpha women and alpha women seem a lot more interested in men that are softer and kinder. Although yeah women are still always going to be women and want to feel contained within a masculine presence- it's just a genetic biological thing. Not to be crude or anything- but a vagina can't really fuck a penis- but a penis can fuck a vagina and all that.

But it's not fair to say 'all women want an aggressive bad boy' because my dad wasn't really like that (Se polr LII) and I was born.

[MissDucki]

@BandD Always love to hear your thoughts and commentary my buddy BandD

I am really curious to get your perspective on this, how have you seen the erotic attitudes play out in the LGBT community? I am sadly a Str8 women who is often extremely BLIND to the male perspective and ego. I am really curious how you view these dynamics as a gay man in the community is all if you don't mind me asking. I feel like the dynamics would play out a little different.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

@MissDucki

Good question. Hmm well I think the play out like they do for straight people really. It's not much different in the private bed of things even though we gays like our costume parties and paying more attention to aesthetics.

I get along with aggressive erotic men, just feel it in my entire body. I haven't met one yet that I can share my life with or call a 'boyfriend' but that's okay I'm not rushing it.

The thing with gay men though is we have both a dick and an ass so being 'versatile' is a common reality of a lot of gay men. I myself am versatile. I think it's natural because I have both a dick and a butt- and if I see a hot dick I want it to fuck me, and if I see a cute man butt I want to fuck it!

With straight people the erotic energy is more 'pure' or something because straight women do not have penises. So it tends to be more of a one-way exchange I think or at least appear that way. I think this 'purity' sometimes gets confused by bigots with 'moral purity' and I think that's how a lot of discrimination sadly tends to happen against gays. Because when we do shitty things in life, we don't think we're not righteous- we think we have the right! Some straight people think they are morally better than us and deserve to treat us 'lesser than' because of it. As this sort of purity thing gets confused too much with moral purity at times maybe. A lot of drag queen shows mocks this heteronormative superiority complex.

But maybe I'm a different kind of gay in that I'm not really into sleeping around- or that's just a negative stereotype. I want something more monogamous- or if it is an 'open relationship' not too open and I would need to know more about them. Getting some weird STD from being too slutty isn't really what I want in life, or having to take an AIDS pill with weird side effects just not to get diseases. The desire and impulse for sex is one thing (My libido is naturally high) but actually doing it always has consequences people should pay attention to- gay or straight. I don't like society encouraging gay men to disrespect each other and treat each other like rancid pieces of meat or in ways that are actually immoral. I don't want to 'take POZ loads down my mouth.'

Even though studies have proven pedophilia is more common in heterosexuals- I still want to stamp out all pedophilia in our community as well. I think you can enjoy hot sex without being this whore that gets AIDS - and that is my ideal.

I hope I was helpful! I'm so glad we're friends too.

[MissDucki]

@MissDucki

Good question. Hmm well I think the play out like they do for straight people really. It's not much different in the private bed of things even though we gays like our costume parties and paying more attention to aesthetics.

I get along with aggressive erotic men, just feel it in my entire body. I haven't met one yet that I can share my life with or call a 'boyfriend' but that's okay I'm not rushing it.

The thing with gay men though is we have both a dick and an ass so being 'versatile' is a common reality of a lot of gay men. I myself am versatile. I think it's natural because I have both a dick and a butt- and if I see a hot dick I want it to fuck me, and if I see a cute man butt I want to fuck it!

With straight people the erotic energy is more 'pure' or something because straight women do not have penises. So it tends to be more of a one-way exchange I think or at least appear that way. I think this 'purity' sometimes gets confused by bigots with 'moral purity' and I think that's how a lot of discrimination sadly tends to happen against gays. Because when we do shitty things in life, we don't think we're not righteous- we think we have the right! Some straight people think they are morally better than us and deserve to treat us 'lesser than' because of it. As this sort of purity thing gets confused too much with moral purity at times maybe. A lot of drag queen shows mocks this heteronormative superiority complex.

But maybe I'm a different kind of gay in that I'm not really into sleeping around- or that's just a negative stereotype. I want something more monogamous- or if it is an 'open relationship' not too open and I would need to know more about them. Getting some weird STD from being too slutty isn't really what I want in life, or having to take an AIDS pill with weird side effects just not to get diseases. The desire and impulse for sex is one thing (My libido is naturally high) but actually doing it always has consequences people should pay attention to- gay or straight. I don't like society encouraging gay men to disrespect each other and treat each other like rancid pieces of meat or in ways that are actually immoral. I don't want to 'take POZ loads down my mouth.'

Even though studies have proven pedophilia is more common in heterosexuals- I still want to stamp out all pedophilia in our community as well. I think you can enjoy hot sex without being this whore that gets AIDS - and that is my ideal.

I hope I was helpful! I'm so glad we're friends too.

Thank you BandD! I really like your take on this, thank you for giving me some insight

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

A well-meaning straight ally once stood up and said "Leave gay people alone! They're just like us except for what they do in bed."

And a wise and compassionate Queen, who appreciated the support but needed to correct her said "But see dear, that's the only place where we ever are the same!"

So yes even though culturally speaking gays and straights can be very different, what we like to do in the bedroom is often all that not different. And psychological erotic attitudes are universal regardless of sexual orientation.

[skosh]

Caregiver girls would appear to have extra sensory perception when it comes to potential partners, particularly the childlike types. Its funny because they may even congratulate themselves. As if to say, "See, I know what you like. I'm exactly your type." They seem to have trouble admitting to themselves the guy is exactly their type.

I did have a phase where I felt Se-type girls were best. I do find ESFPs and ESIs women extremely attractive. It's just that I've gradually found the Si-types have such stunning intangibles, I'd be a fool to deny them.

[aryuki]

ILE- incel
SEI- ???/age regression
ESE- ???
LII- ???

EIE- bratty sub
LSI- repressed closeted gay
SLE- 'straight' male who lets gays suck him off as a sign of masculine power
IEI- whore

ESI- prude
LIE- has the most disgusting kinks
SEE- poly
ILI- black hole

SLI- asexual afaik
IEE- pan genderfluid lesbian furry
EII- tradboywife smoothtalker/twink
LSE- missionary hetero/butch women

[chriscorey]

ILE- incel
SEI- ???/age regression
ESE- ???
LII- ???

EIE- bratty sub
LSI- repressed closeted gay
SLE- 'straight' male who lets gays suck him off as a sign of masculine power
IEI- whore

ESI- prude
LIE- has the most disgusting kinks
SEE- poly
ILI- black hole

SLI- asexual afaik
IEE- pan genderfluid lesbian furry
EII- tradboywife smoothtalker/twink
LSE- missionary hetero/butch women

You and @Tim have met some interesting type people. Where do you hang out?

[The Reality Denialist]

ILE- incel
SEI- ???/age regression
ESE- ???
LII- ???

EIE- bratty sub
LSI- repressed closeted gay
SLE- 'straight' male who lets gays suck him off as a sign of masculine power
IEI- whore

ESI- prude
LIE- has the most disgusting kinks
SEE- poly
ILI- black hole

SLI- asexual afaik
IEE- pan genderfluid lesbian furry
EII- tradboywife smoothtalker/twink
LSE- missionary hetero/butch women

I think feeling sexually incel would be an upgrade but I do not want to be miserable and then it could probably make me not an incel for too long. Mood is much more important than sexual status. I think incels should just ignore their sexual needs somehow (like with help of chemical castration) so they would be happier.

[MissDucki]

Caregiver girls would appear to have extra sensory perception when it comes to potential partners, particularly the childlike types. Its funny because they may even congratulate themselves. As if to say, "See, I know what you like. I'm exactly your type." They seem to have trouble admitting to themselves the guy is exactly their type.

I feel called out and exposed

[Stray Cat]

ILE- incel
SEI- ???/age regression
ESE- ???
LII- ???

EIE- bratty sub
LSI- repressed closeted gay
SLE- 'straight' male who lets gays suck him off as a sign of masculine power
IEI- whore

ESI- prude
LIE- has the most disgusting kinks
SEE- poly
ILI- black hole

SLI- asexual afaik
IEE- pan genderfluid lesbian furry
EII- tradboywife smoothtalker/twink
LSE- missionary hetero/butch women

[Aster]

Err, dude no offense, but you need a new gif or something. lol I wouldn’t let this take the place of good old ‘SeTi arguments/reasoning’ and such, just sayin

[Baqer]

ILE- incel
SEI- ???/age regression
ESE- ???
LII- ???

EIE- bratty sub
LSI- repressed closeted gay
SLE- 'straight' male who lets gays suck him off as a sign of masculine power
IEI- whore

ESI- prude
LIE- has the most disgusting kinks
SEE- poly
ILI- black hole

SLI- asexual afaik
IEE- pan genderfluid lesbian furry
EII- tradboywife smoothtalker/twink
LSE- missionary hetero/butch women

Age regression? As in the SEI being younger or the partner being younger?

[Stray Cat]

Err, dude no offense, but you need a new gif or something. lol I wouldn’t let this take the place of good old ‘SeTi arguments/reasoning’ and such, just sayin

I agree. The reason I shoot these gifs is I'm in no mood argue on the internet with dorks like who never shut up about their rules & give unsolicited inaccurate opinions

I'm an animal person for sure. But no, your take wasn't offensive at all.

[PinKDiGiT18]

ILE- incel
SEI- ???/age regression
ESE- ???
LII- ???

EIE- bratty sub
LSI- repressed closeted gay
SLE- 'straight' male who lets gays suck him off as a sign of masculine power
IEI- whore

ESI- prude
LIE- has the most disgusting kinks
SEE- poly
ILI- black hole

SLI- asexual afaik
IEE- pan genderfluid lesbian furry
EII- tradboywife smoothtalker/twink
LSE- missionary hetero/butch women

Hmm. Several of these have some accuracy to them, but you’d be surprised at how opposite some identicals’ attitudes to sex are.

Examples:

The ESI-Fi who is at the moment dating my best friend is ridiculously Puritan and criticizes me with regard to my “worldliness” (even though in some respects I’m the more conservative one).
Then, an ESI-Fi friend I had a while back thought I was way too uptight in my attitude towards sex.

The SLI-Si I liked in high school was widely considered asexual.
My SLI-Si father, on the other hand, has the highest body count of anyone I know.

LSE was on point, though. My LSE uncle is a major prude and my LSE aunt was a butch lesbian. EIE also was onto something.

[Hot Scalding Gayser]

I'd change IEI to 'perverted fantasies that make it seem like we are a whore but in reality just want normal monogamy but with intensity.'

I could never be a real life whore.

LSI being repressed closet gay was kind of spot on. I don't want them to come out out of the closet. Their internal angst is so hot to me lol. But if probably-LSI Tj Osborne never came out I probably would have never known he was gay ....

[Baqer]

Age regression is when you behave younger than you are
could be a psychological coping thing too

https://www.healthline.com/health/me...age-regression

So are you saying ILE's are pedophiles?

[MissDucki]

Age regression is when you behave younger than you are
could be a psychological coping thing too

https://www.healthline.com/health/me...age-regression

Ehhhhhh I feel iffy about this. One one hand, I am still pretty naive to a lot of shit in the world and I still have some childhood stuff that makes me happy. On the other hand, I have my own......'preferences'.......but age regression ain't it. The only time I am calling a guy "daddy" is to piss him off or joke/poke at him for fun. Meh.

[MissDucki]

I didn't write the post lol, perhaps @aryuki is better mentioned in these responses

and yeah with bdsm idk about correlations but something like ddlg or slave/dom etc. dynamics can prob be any quadra

Lol I will next time. I am not knocking anyone preferences if they got it. I got my own. I can see ddlg being very big in alpha and delta due to that infantile style. Just I would not consider myself a part of it lol. Slave/dom I can see more Beta/gamma aspects. I don't know how far I want to tread on this personally. I don't want you all knowing too much LOL

[Baqer]

The natural progression of any thread called "erotic attitudes" is towards giving kinks towards every type.

[Braingel]

So are you saying ILE's are pedophiles?

PedophILE.

[peteronfireee2]

I agree. The reason I shoot these gifs is I'm in no mood argue on the internet with dorks like who never shut up about their rules & give unsolicited inaccurate opinions

I'm an animal person for sure. But no, your take wasn't offensive at all.

This is actually @Stray Cat in this documentary, everyone

[The Reality Denialist]

PedophILE.

*phILE

[Tim]

A lot of enneagram 8s are LxEs imo.

ESxPs are often 7w8.

Naranjo would disagree with you. Being Se base is strongly associated with enneagram 8, and the most stereotypical enneagram 8 is SLE. Enneagram 8 SLE-Ti could give an impression of being thoughtful. I do think LxE 8s existed as my dad is one (i.e. he's an LSE 8w9 sp/so). However, many of them are mistyped 1s, 3s, 5s, and even 6s. I was in the Enneagram 8 community on Facebook and many of them weak moral goody two shoes. And if they are 8s, they tend to be self-preservation 8s since self-preservation 8s are known to be economical.

Sexual 8s are associated with Se valuing, and most likely, they are Se lead. I think 7w8 are common in ESxP but at the same time, ExTJ tend to be 1, sp 3, and 5.

Being an enneagram 8 is the most compatible with the Beta's Complex of Subservience out of all of the quadra. In fact, Naranjo's description of 8s (i.e. Lust, Punitiveness, Rebelliousness, Dominance, and Sensory-Motor Domiannce) is most consistent with both Se base and Beta values. Delta's Complex of Clipped Wings and Gamma's Complex of Tied Hands couldn't compare.

[Poptart]

Naranjo would disagree with you. Being Se base is strongly associated with enneagram 8, and the most stereotypical enneagram 8 is SLE. Enneagram 8 SLE-Ti could give an impression of being thoughtful.. I do think LxE 8s existed but (1) many of them are mistyped 1s, 3s, and even 6s and (2) if they are 8s, they tend to be self-preservation 8s as self-preservation 8s are known to be cheapskate. Sexual 8s are full-on Se valuers and most likely Se lead. I think 7w8 are more common in ExxP in General.

Being an enneagram 8 is the most compatible with the Beta's Complex of Subservience out of all of the quadra. In fact, Narajo's description of 8s (i.e. Lust, Punitiveness, Rebelliousness, Dominance, and Sensory-Motor Domiannce) is most consistent with both Se base and Beta values. Delta's Complex of Clipped Wings and Gamma's Complex of Tied Hands couldn't compare.

Don’t know who Naranjo is, but nah enneagram 8 is a more rational type. It has nothing to do with the complex of subservience.

Btw are you sure that your not LSE? Lmao

[Adam Strange]

Adam's Enneagraph test results.jpg

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...5&d=1486342347

[Adam Strange]

Don’t know who Naranjo is, but nah enneagram 8 is a more rational type. It has nothing to do with the complex of subservience.

Btw are you sure that your not LSE? Lmao

If his avatar picture is himself, I'd say he's drifting into LSI territory. I mean, *mustache*.

[Poptart]

I do agree with Tim E8 sounds a bit more stereotypically Se lead or ego bc it’s less rational that it is about “maintaining boundaries” and imposing that on the environment
but that’s not “either/or” that it’s either mostly SxE who are 8 or LXE cuz I honestly don’t know could be either one but yeah description itself leans Se I would say

but I’ve also heard him claim sx 4s are most likely IEI esp relative to EII and idk about that either haha. I’ve certainly come across sx4s that don’t type IEI. Maybe IEI is a relatively more common type online I dunno

if include myself 2/3 sx 4 I know are not IEI
there’s more examples of those people on forums tho

Yeah idk about that either. Plenty of ExI enneagram 4s.