but yeah anyway, it's just a picture.
but yeah anyway, it's just a picture.
(Attenborough narrator voice) "After years of mindnumbingly boring matrimonial coitus, the SLI male has developped duality with his beer bottle and BBQ tongs. Will this relationship hold? Only the future can tell...."
These are metaphorical snapshots based on how Gulenko believes each dual couple theoretically relates to one another.
Gulenko also labeled IEI/EIE as trophies/challengers & SLE/LSI as conquerors which, to some, sounds kinda abusive. Cause of that, more accurate imagery may have been too vulgar for some to handle.
However, Gulenko is NO SLE and his symbolic image is just that: his symbolic image.
Whatever reasons he chose for utilizing that particular image would be best explained by Gulenko himself
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Life is a joke but do you have a life?
when you have "to love" as hidden agenda and Te as creative function but you can't find an IEE like Ethan Klein around that shows you new perspectives so you fall in love with the next best option:
ILI are more imaginery because of Ni. they build an attraction to anime characters and call them waifu.
nikola tesla didn't have this option back then, so he chose a pigeon. cats are also very interesting for ILI-
Last edited by Alive; 04-27-2021 at 10:25 PM.
The humoristic answer(the one you look for)
The Strange sex life of freshwater mussels
To imagine the life of a freshwater mussel living in a southeastern U.S. river, picture a couch potato with a constant buffet line rolling past. But the permanently sedentary lifestyle presents certain obvious problems: It’s kind of hard to hook up with another mussel when you don’t move. When it comes to sex, mussels master long-distance relationships. In fact, no direct contact is required. Male mussels simply eject their semen into the river’s current. A short distance downriver, the female — filtering water, as mussels do — collects the floating semen and fertilizes her eggs. Mission accomplished. Still, they’re not exactly charismatic.
The more realistic answer(more along of the lines of this thread)
The latch, by french XVII century painter Fragonard
(dude is SEE-Se, woman is ILI-Ni)
I rarely feel alone. I rarely talk to anyone, yet in my head i have the most amazing, the most fantastic discussions with the people in my life. In real life, what most people talk about is several orders of magnitude lesser than their inner experiences. Most people never reveal the singularity of their subjective experience.
Maybe I should learn to explore other people's consciousness. Maybe I should aim for a real space between me and others. Instead of cultivating monologues and fantasies. It's hard, but the alternative to this seems to be madness. ~ lkdhf qkb
Life is soup. I'm fork
The Erotic Attitudes article on this forum (https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...otic-Attitudes) has been edited several times and is now, in my opinion, less useful that it was when I first encountered it. The older version contained some interesting information about the ongoing interactions of the various romance styles. (https://web.archive.org/web/20120615...otic-Attitudes)
For example, the earlier version said that:
Typical characteristics of the Victim romance style
- prone to initial doubts about intensity of own interest in another person
- not always confident about revealing that interest
- inclined to focus on whether or not the other person might reciprocate the interest
- inclined to question whether or not the other person's interest will remain constant with time
- preference for partners that provoke in the individual a certain sense of awe in terms of power, physical presence, and the like
- appreciation for the sense of power-play present when interacting with such partners, with acceptance of a slight sense of superiority on the part of the partner, without ever actually "submitting" to them
- this takes the form of the individual somewhat expecting the partner to be "mean" on occasion
- in the case of Victim males with female partners, this latter trait assumes a characteristic analogous to a "knight devoted to his princess"
- inclination to openly admit to a relationship having been ended by the partner rather than by the individual himself
This romance style is defined by focus on Ni which is dynamic, irrational, and introverted, with perceptions of inner imagery away from the present physical reality. This means that a Victim sees attraction between two individuals as a dynamic state, which he feels is completely natural. This accounts for a Victim's inclination to focus on the mutual attraction, or particularly the attraction felt by the other person, as to its longer-term perspectives and implications, as well as a certain expectation that the partner will continuously take action to confirm the attraction. Failure on the partner to do so results on the individual assuming that it's already changing. The individual counts on the partner to forcefully bring the individual "down to earth from his thoughts " and focus on the immediate physical reality, continuously.
I mention this because I'm feeling guilty. I've been dating an ESI that I met on Match for a few months, but it isn't at a stage where I feel I'm fully committed to her. In my mind, we are "dating" and are therefore non-exclusive. No promises have been made, no commitments forged. I like her a lot, but I haven't heard from her for a while.
She recently told me that she was going to be busy for the next three weeks and isn't available for dates. I was OK with this for the first week, but now I'm thinking, "What else is out there?" When we were dating every couple weeks and had a firm appointment for our next meeting, I was fine. When I'm left in limbo without any input from her, I tend to wander.
When we first started dating, I stopped looking at my Match account. Well, this morning, I opened it and found that I had 71 "likes" and one of them is from an ESI who lives an hour away. Now the question is, would I be a rat if I went on a date with this other ESI? I stayed married to my ex-wife for years after she moved out, and in retrospect, that wasn't faithfulness on my part, that was stupidity.
Adam, do you see the Victim romancing style in your own romantic interactions, for example during your LSI relationships? I know you are LIE but you have a certain confidence and take-what-I-want demeanor that doesn’t impress as being as passive as the Victim description usually denotes.
are you very sure that the girl you're dating is really an aggressor adam? don't you think she would've made her intentions clear by now if that were the case, instead of lsetting you wait? don't you think it's more of a victim-victim dynamic?
PinKDiGiT18, the confidence and "take-what-I-want" demeanor that you see is learned behavior from extensive experimentation. But at a foundational level, I still operate as a "Victim", as defined in the post above.
Being a Victim doesn't necessarily mean being passive. To my way of thinking, it means being unsure of my SO's continued affections if she hasn't approached me recently. I certainly don't see relationships as being stable. I see them as naturally changing.
I actually told the ESI that she should read up on what LIEs are like, so if we don't work out, she'll be able to choose the next guy better than she did her last two husbands (SEE and LSI). I truly am an optimizer in all things. She didn't respond to that statement. I have no idea what she was thinking. Lol. I mean, if you are an Aggressor and you think that relationships are static and the guy you are dating is talking about the next guy, what might you think? I have no idea, but I'm hoping she interprets my statement as demonstrating confidence.
Alive, I still think she's an Aggressor. Just the way she talks makes me think that she wants what she wants. She doesn't always know how to get it; she needs a lot of help there, but she's sure about what she thinks she wants.
I've dated Victims before. I've dated an LIE, an ILI, and a couple IEIs, and there just is no spark of sexuality between these types and me. Well, I found one of the IEIs sexually attractive, but she didn't feel that way about me.
I've dated two LSIs and one ESI and they are sure of what they want. They aren't incredibly aggressive about it, but they know what they want.
I was visiting the ESI I'm dating at her house and she was showing me the basement and she said "Oh, I still have my laundry up" and pointed to a bra hanging from a clothesline near the ceiling. I wouldn't have noticed it, but she made sure that I did. Maybe she's extra proud of her secondary sex characteristics, IDK.
Sometimes if an aggressor realizes a good victim has options, it sparks us to get off our a** (so to speak).
Hope everything works out for you
Approaching situations like this with an open mind might help other members or even complete strangers down the line
With erotic attitudes I think there is a lot of natural subtlety and nuance that people don't see cuz 'ewww other people's sex is gross and disturbing' to us naturally. So I don't view infantile as 'diaper play' just like I don't view being a victim erotically as liking to be sexually abused because it's a fucked up thing to say as nobody likes being sexually abused lol- but maybe you would be naturally more open minded to some suggestive/aggressively "darker" stuff other people would take way too seriously.
Anyways I think they are best understood by being more subtle with it and not taking them so literally. so to me being an infantile is more like being 'tended to' in ways that I'm not really into. kinda hard to explain cuz it's so subtle- its not that I don't want a partner who doesnt care or is a jerk- I'm just not into being tended to in that way. I mean if anybody thought that I as an IEI actually enjoy being sexually abused or thought they could rape me and then say 'but you're an IEI- you're supposed to like this stuff!' I would probably rightfully punch them in the jaw- even if I would hurt my hand more than their face cuz of my 1D Se and cuz I'm a Shadow Priest class and not a Warrior/Brawler.
The closer she & I got the more experimenting we did.