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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Nah. I'm not really talking about roleplay. I asking if, for example, does the Si-ego lead the Ne-ego. I'd say erotic attitude is an umbrella word for how each perceiving ego interprets the world. Erotic attitude could be sexual or it could be the role that particular ego assumes. Si-egos tend to care give. This is the role they tend to use when interacting with the world/society. My guess was that the Si-ego was more of a parental figure and thus the dominant. Maybe not. Figured I'd ask.
    I would expect the exact dynamics to play out differently for each Ne type. From talking with an ILE, I get the impression his experience is fairly different, but don’t know enough to be able to elaborate more.

    But from my own experience with an Si type: besides occasional times when one of us tried to be more “dominant,” I’m not sure that lens fits well. It’s easier to describe the dynamic as “playful.” Usually I would do something to see how she reacted and then determine what to do from there. Seeing her react to things was fun for me — a dynamic that carried over outside of sex as well. And she would playfully try to “instruct” me: admonish me or tell me to do something. That also is something she and SEIs in general like to do in normal life. I might try to get around her “orders” but liked when she asserted herself; the more assertive she was the more reluctant I was to disobey. But sometimes I would just break out of the dynamic and assert myself if I thought things were getting boring. So there was back-and-forth.

    I really like to be “led” and to give the other person pleasure as they want. But I also don’t like to feel that things are boring or stagnant, so I might act to make things more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I would expect the exact dynamics to play out differently for each Ne type. From talking with an ILE, I get the impression his experience is fairly different, but don’t know enough to be able to elaborate more.

    But from my own experience with an Si type: besides occasional times when one of us tried to be more “dominant,” I’m not sure that lens fits well. It’s easier to describe the dynamic as “playful.” Usually I would do something to see how she reacted and then determine what to do from there. Seeing her react to things was fun for me — a dynamic that carried over outside of sex as well. And she would playfully try to “instruct” me: admonish me or tell me to do something. That also is something she and SEIs in general like to do in normal life. I might try to get around her “orders” but liked when she asserted herself; the more assertive she was the more reluctant I was to disobey. But sometimes I would just break out of the dynamic and assert myself if I thought things were getting boring. So there was back-and-forth.

    Speaking personally, I like to be “led” and to give the other person pleasure as they want. But I also don’t like to feel that things are boring or stagnant, so I might act to make things more interesting.

    Spot on. Basically this. I will say, I am a little reluctant at first to 'order' LII or ILE around until I feel comfortable and they react well to it and encourage it. But that is more so a personal thing tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Spot on. Basically this. I will say, I am a little reluctant at first to 'order' LII or ILE around until I feel comfortable and they react well to it and encourage it. But that is more so a personal thing tho.
    Have you had experience with infantiles? Is there anything you can think to add about their or your own attitude/actions? Didn’t see your previous post; apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Have you had experience with infantiles? Is there anything you can think to add about their or your own attitude/actions? Didn’t see your previous post; apologies.
    Lol I did but, I would like to add a bit of the Si perspective in regards to 'play fighting'. I love to tease and loved to be teased. There is so much fun in bantering back and forth with infantile. Lots of button pushing and yielding. Very childlike and playful in both inside and outside the bedroom. I had an ILE respond well when I would use his full name and get a bit naggy for some reason lol. Surprised me cause I don't usually get such a positive respond. Or that they want me to be in charge and be assertive. I am usually taking care of everybody else's needs so I don't always focus on mine as much and it's like they genuinely want me to be a bit selfish in that aspect which surprises me. I've had one close experience with an infantile for a short time but, I would do things a bit differently by letting that side naturally show more next time and be more selfish lol.
    The only big issues for me is when button pushing goes too far. Sometimes, Ive just had them cross the line even when I have expressed a cease fire. I think a lot of the time I am often very expressive so I don't think they always realize the emotional crossing. Other then that, I find it a lot of fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    I would do things a bit differently by letting that side naturally show more next time and be more selfish lol.
    My ex was the same, having difficulty being "selfish." But I really like my partner to be! And she didn't really like it if I tried to be "selfish" myself; I suspect that'd also be the case for other SEI.

    The only big issues for me is when button pushing goes too far. Sometimes, Ive just had them cross the line even when I have expressed a cease fire. I think a lot of the time I am often very expressive so I don't think they always realize the emotional crossing.
    Yep, I agree this can be a problem. I would guess that being assertive and not being afraid to be "mean" sometimes should help. From my perspective it was difficult sometimes to know whether it was just joking or serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    I would not say that the Si caregiver is 'dominate' and the Ne infantile is the 'submissive. Like @necrosebud mentioned, the Si caregiver more so 'takes the lead'. Have you ever tried to control an infantile? LOL it is not going to happen Unlike victims, the worse thing you can do to an infantile is make them 'choose' or 'contain them. Especially in regards to seduction. IMO The Caregiver rather takes the lead on where the infantile wants to go sensation wise. Si is all about personal and internal sensations and since infantile are very receptive to it, I would think they would be more reactive of the Si caregiver taking the lead and showing them where to get the most bang for their buck so to speak. I think the roles may switch once the infantile gets comfortable and start using the Ne possibilities to show more options or alternatives. In the sense, Ne wants to try this possibility, gives the vision, and the Si can envision the sensation and make it happen. The roles tend to not be concrete, rather more so taking turns leading and following rather then dominating and submitting. That is how I would envision it theory wise and what I would rather have personally.
    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    I would expect the exact dynamics to play out differently for each Ne type. From talking with an ILE, I get the impression his experience is fairly different, but don’t know enough to be able to elaborate more.

    But from my own experience with an Si type: besides occasional times when one of us tried to be more “dominant,” I’m not sure that lens fits well. It’s easier to describe the dynamic as “playful.” Usually I would do something to see how she reacted and then determine what to do from there. Seeing her react to things was fun for me — a dynamic that carried over outside of sex as well. And she would playfully try to “instruct” me: admonish me or tell me to do something. That also is something she and SEIs in general like to do in normal life. I might try to get around her “orders” but liked when she asserted herself; the more assertive she was the more reluctant I was to disobey. But sometimes I would just break out of the dynamic and assert myself if I thought things were getting boring. So there was back-and-forth.

    I really like to be “led” and to give the other person pleasure as they want. But I also don’t like to feel that things are boring or stagnant, so I might act to make things more interesting.

    Cool, man. Good responses. Ne is my role but it juxtaposes my Se lead. When my mirage and I flirt, I go Ne but my instinct is to dominate through Se. My guess is, during a convo, my attitude will alternate between Ne & Se. I haven't really asked her if I've confused her but the ultimate goal is to have a good time anyway. People might suggest that I just use Se but that's a lame as fuck take. Getting decent at the role function, while being myself and seducing this chick is pretty ace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    Cool, man. Good responses. Ne is my role but it juxtaposes my Se lead. When my mirage and I flirt, I go Ne but my instinct is to dominate through Se. My guess is, during a convo, my attitude will alternate between Ne & Se. I haven't really asked her if I've confused her but the ultimate goal is to have a good time anyway. People might suggest that I just use Se but that's a lame as fuck take. Getting decent at the role function, while being myself and seducing this chick is pretty ace.
    Mirage is viewed in the books as a lightweight intertype, but so far has the SEI been more fun than other types?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinKDiGiT18 View Post
    Mirage is viewed in the books as a lightweight intertype, but so far has the SEI been more fun than other types?
    Brief reply: SEI are my second favorite type at a close psychological distance for me personally

    In other words...
    I view relationships different cause I'm aware of what irritates me at a close psychological distance

    - I don't favor rationals (even in own quadra)
    - I don't favor extraverts
    - I self supply my Ni DS well enough to make wise choices
    - My Fi polr is shit. IEI & SEI got Fi demo
    - Fe creative is pretty awesome

    I probably wouldn't live with an Si-dom but this chick and I have matching subtypes, adore animals, discussing movies/documentaries, books and going on thrilling travels together.


    You once mentioned Si/Ne get oriented toward needs & that Se/Ni get oriented toward goals. That's actually been helpful in this relationship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    Have you ever tried to control an infantile?


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    If one buys into the energy model it is the HA and the Polr in which people have trouble investing energy. Cause of that, the most exotic partners you might pursue could be those who easily engage in your HA and Polr functions. For me, I could read ways to invest in Ni better but I don't have the energy to read ways to invest in Fe better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinKDiGiT18 View Post
    Where attraction is a dynamic state to Ni+Se, it’s an adaptive state to Ne+Si. The Aggressor/Victim pair is oriented at meeting goals. The Infantile/Caregiver pair is oriented at meeting needs.
    This is incorrect, both are oriented at meeting goals. Just in a different way... Also erotic attitudes aren't real, SEIs aren't caretakers or necessarily good at taking care of people physically, so their first inclination is not necessarily to help meet the needs of their partner...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    This is incorrect, both are oriented at meeting goals. Just in a different way... Also erotic attitudes aren't real, SEIs aren't caretakers or necessarily good at taking care of people physically, so their first inclination is not necessarily to help meet the needs of their partner...
    Erotic attitudes are real, argue what you will whether they're part of specific functions or not. Fundamentally, if socionics has any merit in predicting ITR, then IEI's sure as hell should be victims and SLE's aggressors so that they're both happy together. It's one of the few things in socionics which you can see in people's relationships pretty easily.

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    It's one of the few things in socionics which you can see in people's relationships pretty easily.
    This is true, although I still think there is nuances and variations between types and people's preferences- and in @Braingel 's subtype system thing I am a pseudo-LII IEI so I like a mixture of aggression and caretaker-ness. With aggression still holding more weight but it's there. But I don't really want or need a partner as aggressive as my IEI sister does, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baqer View Post
    Erotic attitudes are real, argue what you will whether they're part of specific functions or not. Fundamentally, if socionics has any merit in predicting ITR, then IEI's sure as hell should be victims and SLE's aggressors so that they're both happy together. It's one of the few things in socionics which you can see in people's relationships pretty easily.
    Let's agree to disagree then I think it is based on preferences that have nothing to do with Socionics...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post


    This is true, although I still think there is nuances and variations between types and people's preferences- and in @Braingel 's subtype system thing I am a pseudo-LII IEI so I like a mixture of aggression and caretaker-ness. With aggression still holding more weight but it's there. But I don't really want or need a partner as aggressive as my IEI sister, for example.
    I want a partner that is an aggressive caretaker too according to the descriptions but I'm SEI sooooooooooooooo... it doesn't hold up ;/

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    There can be ILEs who aren't infantile btw out there... and aren't in need of care...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    This is incorrect, both are oriented at meeting goals. Just in a different way... Also erotic attitudes aren't real, SEIs aren't caretakers or necessarily good at taking care of people physically, so their first inclination is not necessarily to help meet the needs of their partner...
    The definition of “Caregiver” is not limited to one specific interpretation of “care” such as meeting physical needs, which it seems you think is what I am saying.


    ILE-SEI Infantile-Caregiver dynamic is definitely the most democratic of all - their needs are decided by them alone, unaffected by external perceptions of what their needs - emotional, mental, physical - “should” be. My dynamic is also Infantile-Caregiver, but this isn’t how it functions for my dyad. Base Si is more protective of resources, maybe even a bit selfish, which is a decent counterbalance to the tendency of base Ne to take advantage of care too freely given. Still, the ultimate goal of the Infantile/Caregiver pair is to adapt the world to harmonize with their personal experience of it. The Infantile broadens the horizons for it to happen (Ne ego), the Caregiver sets the tone of how it happens (Si ego).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BandD View Post


    This is true, although I still think there is nuances and variations between types and people's preferences- and in @Braingel 's subtype system thing I am a pseudo-LII IEI so I like a mixture of aggression and caretaker-ness. With aggression still holding more weight but it's there. But I don't really want or need a partner as aggressive as my IEI sister does, for example.
    Yeah I as well have some “alpha influence”, my pseudo being ESE. I posted earlier how I like 55% gentle, 45% harsh. I wonder if being raised by an ESE mother has anything do with this.

    LII overall is too soft for me all the times, but there are some times and aspect where an LII can be very therapeutic on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinKDiGiT18 View Post
    The definition of “Caregiver” is not limited to one specific interpretation of “care” such as meeting physical needs, which it seems you think is what I am saying.


    ILE-SEI Infantile-Caregiver dynamic is definitely the most democratic of all - their needs are decided by them alone, unaffected by external perceptions of what their needs - emotional, mental, physical - “should” be. My dynamic is also Infantile-Caregiver, but this isn’t how it functions for my dyad. Base Si is more protective of resources, maybe even a bit selfish, which is a decent counterbalance to the tendency of base Ne to take advantage of care too freely given. Still, the ultimate goal of the Infantile/Caregiver pair is to adapt the world to harmonize with their personal experience of it. The Infantile broadens the horizons for it to happen, the Caregiver sets the tone of how it happens.
    Infantile gives Ne and caregiver makes Ne into one vision and one path. Setting the tone of how it happens is basically SEIs making Ne ideas hold up with reality... Sometimes the Ne ideas are incompatible with SEIs vision of the future and then the dynamic can break down... But Ne ideas can make SEIs visions better...

    I'm not sure what you mean by resources though...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinKDiGiT18 View Post
    Still, the ultimate goal of the Infantile/Caregiver pair is to adapt the world to harmonize with their personal experience of it.
    Can you elaborate, please?

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    Anyway maybe you should explain what you really mean @PinKDiGiT18 before you post some description like that since it definitely comes off that way... as if goals are not important to ILEs and SEIs...


    Yeah anyways as I said, Infantile/Caregiver relationships can be oriented towards goals but in a different way. Maybe you simply don't understand how ILE-SEI duality works being EII...


    Yeah anyway my ultimate ILE-SEI duality would look like this:


    1. Support each other's goals and dreams and help give each other advice in those areas.
    2. ILE helps by regulating the practical and logical aspects of the relationship and I help with the emotional and feeling aspects of the relationship.
    3. ILE gives new ideas and SEI pokes holes in them to see if they stand up to reality so that ILE doesn't go away chasing windmills. SEI chooses which of ILEs ideas will be practically useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    Can you elaborate, please?
    What promotes well-being and personal convenience generally takes precedence for the Infantile/Caregiver pair over the need to mobilize to achieve a perceived Ni goal in need of immediate action. For example, if there is a deadline that needs to be met, Ne and Si egos are more likely to alter their atmosphere for comfort to optimize their ability to work as opposed to dropping everything and working at full-force until they’ve finished. Ni and Se egos are more likely to ignore what they view as “minor” inconveniences for the sake of the goal that needs to be tended to. Not that Ne + Si egos will not do this, but that they prefer to consider their immediate needs first.

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    The mother influences your psyche heavily (a father fulfilling role of nurture can also), and so I wonder if the type of mother/primary nurturer, enmeshes the type of the child’s own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinKDiGiT18 View Post
    What promotes well-being and personal convenience generally takes precedence for the Infantile/Caregiver pair over the need to mobilize to achieve a perceived Ni goal in need of immediate action. For example, if there is a deadline that needs to be met, Ne and Si egos are more likely to alter their atmosphere for comfort to optimize their ability to meet the deadline as opposed to dropping everything and working at full-force until they’ve finished. Ni and Se egos are more likely to ignore what they view as “minor” inconveniences for the sake of the goal that needs to be tended to.
    What do you even mean but altering the atmosphere for comfort? Well-being and personal convenience?

    I think as SEI I know that I need to start working as soon as possible so I don't know where you are coming from. It's probably the benefaction and some issues I have that makes what you say incomprehensible and uncomfortable...

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    I suppose I would think the goal through before implementing it though... so I guess that's altering the atmosphere?

    Or I suppose needing everything to be in order mentally beforehand is somewhat like that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinKDiGiT18 View Post
    What promotes well-being and personal convenience generally takes precedence for the Infantile/Caregiver pair over the need to mobilize to achieve a perceived Ni goal in need of immediate action. For example, if there is a deadline that needs to be met, Ne and Si egos are more likely to alter their atmosphere for comfort to optimize their ability to work as opposed to dropping everything and working at full-force until they’ve finished. Ni and Se egos are more likely to ignore what they view as “minor” inconveniences for the sake of the goal that needs to be tended to. Not that Ne + Si egos will not do this, but that they prefer to consider their immediate needs first.
    I guess asking you to be more specific will probably go nowhere... so... um...

    Yeah just please don't say that Ne/Si valuers aren't oriented towards goals but needs because people can misinterpret that as something else... and saying well being and personal convenience is misleading as well

    I would put it as the need to have all of your goals be towards something productive and thinking them through before implementing them, a delay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    What do you even mean but altering the atmosphere for comfort? Well-being and personal convenience?

    I think as SEI I know that I need to start working as soon as possible so I don't know where you are coming from. It's probably the benefaction and some issues I have that makes what you say incomprehensible and uncomfortable...
    Yes, also reminds me that there are four different Infantile-Caregiver dual pairs and my variety of Ne-Si dynamic may not make sense to you, and vice versa for me and ILE-SEI. I think the sense that you need to start working as soon as possible is heightened awareness of Ni because you may be Fe-subtype, but if the goal of wanting to work early is to be able to relax sooner, I think that is the type of Si adapting/altering of your pace/atmosphere I meant. The thought process of Victim-Aggressor (Ni-Se) could be, we gotta do this and get this out of the way so we can get to the next thing!

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    Yes, also reminds me that there are four different Infantile-Caregiver dual pairs and my variety of Ne-Si dynamic may not make sense to you, and vice versa for me and ILE-SEI. I think the sense that you need to start working as soon as possible is awareness of Ni because you may be Fe-subtype, but if the goal of wanting to work early is to be able to relax sooner, I think that is the type of adapting/altering of your pace/atmosphere I meant. The thought process of Victim-Aggressor (Ni-Se) could be, we gotta do this and get this out of the way!
    What the actual... no the fucking goal of wanting to work early is not to relax sooner

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    Sorry for being abrasive just I'm tired of you misunderstanding me seemingly

    See work can be fun actually it's just that I have trouble bringing myself to the current moment to work because of depression @PinKDiGiT18 , not that I just want to lounge around and do nothing lol...

    Basically I want to spend most of my day working towards my goals which involve activities that I enjoy doing

    I can hesitate to set plans so there is no time wasted like say I want to set times of learning Russian in a method that will ensure I learn it on time to get to where I want to go on time...

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    Alpha: sorry you're not an SEI
    Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves."

    -Carl Jung

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    Quote Originally Posted by chriscorey View Post
    Alpha: sorry you're not an SEI
    Is this directed at me? probably

    HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

    ahahha ehhh eheh *wheezes*

    oh my but I will prove to everyone that I am one

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    Is this directed at me? probably

    HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA

    ahahha ehhh eheh *wheezes*

    I wasn't thinking of you when I posted it, but it can be if you want

    oh my but I will prove to everyone that I am one

    I wasn't thinking of you when I posted it, but it can be if you want
    Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    What the actual... no the fucking goal of wanting to work early is not to relax sooner
    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    Sorry for being abrasive just I'm tired of you misunderstanding me seemingly

    See work can be fun actually it's just that I have trouble bringing myself to the current moment to work because of depression @PinKDiGiT18 , not that I just want to lounge around and do nothing lol...

    Basically I want to spend most of my day working towards my goals which involve activities that I enjoy doing

    I can hesitate to set plans so there is no time wasted like say I want to set times of learning Russian in a method that will ensure I learn it on time to get to where I want to go on time...
    I notice that your interpretation of socionics seems primarily based on your personal subjective experience. Since your young you're young & dislike extroversion, how much interaction/experience do you have with others to test the legitimacy of your views? You seemingly buy your boyfriend's certain opinions of you maybe cause he validates what you really want to believe about yourself.
    Maybe you're defensive cause your self-image & limited experience are being challenged so, rather than point a finger at Pinkdigit, consider learning better cause she's been nothing but considerate of you & you're accusing of her of the opposite

    Tldr:. Your view of reality & factual reality might not be congruent. Have the patience & humility to accept possible discrepancies & consider doing the necessary work it takes to align them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
    I notice that your interpretation of socionics seems primarily based on your personal subjective experience. Since your young you're young & dislike extroversion, how much interaction/experience do you have with others to test the legitimacy of your views? You seemingly buy your boyfriend's certain opinions of you maybe cause he validates what you really want to believe about yourself.
    Maybe you're defensive cause your self-image & limited experience are being challenged so, rather than point a finger at Pinkdigit, consider learning better cause she's been nothing but considerate of you & you're accusing of her of the opposite

    Tldr:. Your view of reality & factual reality might not be congruent. Have the patience & humility to accept possible discrepancies & consider doing the necessary work it takes to align them
    I know I shouldn't be so harsh... I get that she is trying to be considerate, but I just want to be understood here... She is just trying to understand me from a typology perspective and her own, where mistakes are bound to be made... And I guess sometimes it feels like an uphill battle here because of all the stereotypes that have been going around... So perceptions will be slow to change and that I should be a little more patient and calm when correcting people... Patience is probably something I should work on to become more mature...

    I don't like being extroverted at all so learning ITRs will be slow... I mean my view of reality is just that I do not have 4D Ni but 4D Si instead, factual reality is out of hand to me as I can't obviously objectively see my type from an outside perspective.

    I don't buy my boyfriend's views on what Si is at all, and it's not because he validates what I really want to believe about myself. I type myself SEI simply because I do not have 4D Ni base and have not shown signs of it throughout my life. He doesn't validate anything I wish to believe about myself except for saying I am good at writing. Si is not as the descriptions here say, and I intend to one day correct them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    I know I shouldn't be so harsh... I get that she is trying to be considerate, but I just want to be understood here... She is just trying to understand me from a typology perspective and her own, where mistakes are bound to be made... And I guess sometimes it feels like an uphill battle here because of all the stereotypes that have been going around... So perceptions will be slow to change and that I should be a little more patient and calm when correcting people... Patience is probably something I should work on to become more mature...

    I don't like being extroverted at all so learning ITRs will be slow... I mean my view of reality is just that I do not have 4D Ni but 4D Si instead, factual reality is out of hand to me as I can't obviously objectively see my type from an outside perspective.

    I don't buy my boyfriend's views on what Si is at all, and it's not because he validates what I really want to believe about myself. I type myself SEI simply because I do not have 4D Ni base and have not shown signs of it throughout my life. He doesn't validate anything I wish to believe about myself except for saying I am good at writing. Si is not as the descriptions here say, and I intend to one day correct them...
    I personally read IEI in your replies but I have no legit proof & to there are probably cooler aspects of your personality worth discussing anyway.

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    Okay, I just remember this clip and I want to include it in this thread. It can be debated whether it is more caregiver/infantile or aggressor/victim. I am curious what you may think. Just maybe we can interpret some scenes with erotic attitudes possibly. Either way, I love it. The characters had some time to get to know each other beforehand and Harry is Charlotte's divorce layer. If a man ever did what Harry did in the clip, I would exactly react like Charlotte

    Edit: If someone can explain to me how you guys are able to add like the full YouTube video without providing a link, that would be fully appreciated!

    Edit 2: Thank you @Adam Strange and @myresearch! you guys rocks!
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    Act like a child to gain a person's love - that's what @Tim surface expression would be of his sister and I both of us being EII.

    In more terms I basically do it all- I work full time, am a full time mom, i have my own hobbies and interests, I have a tendency to be both stoic and a melting exhausted goo that speeds out on the table and can't hold form and shape. i just like a gentle love, something like sitting on the couch and having my arm softly rubbed as i am kissed and being told nice things which I have! Doesn't last as long as I wanted to. If only time would stop and this could last a while longer. You may understand how someone melting into you feels on the skin and heart. Maybe it's a way of liking affection from the right person

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissDucki View Post
    https://youtu.be/LFmbNP-nB84

    Okay, I just remember this clip and I want to include it in this thread. It can be debated whether it is more caregiver/infantile or aggressor/victim. I am curious what you may think. Just maybe we can interpret some scenes with erotic attitudes possibly. Either way, I love it. The characters had some time to get to know each other beforehand and Harry is Charlotte's divorce layer. If a man ever did what Harry did in the clip, I would exactly react like Charlotte

    Edit: If someone can explain to me how you guys are able to add like the full YouTube video without providing a link, that would be fully appreciated!
    @MissDucki, to add a full YouTube video instead of simply linking it, first copy the URL of the video, then open a new post and click your mouse at the point in the post where you want the video to appear (Before or after or in the middle of text) and then click on the green "film strip" icon on the bar at the top of the box. The icon should be second from the right. When the popup window opens, paste your URL into the space and click OK.

    Incidentally, the two people in the video that you linked seemed introverted to me and the seduction scene did nothing for me, although his approach might be distantly similar to my own. I often just tell a woman that I want to have sex with her, once we've reached a certain point.

    To give more detail, I'll watch her eyes, and if she seems to be open to the idea, I'll approach her with a hug and then a kiss, and if the kiss goes well, then hands under her clothes and then I'll tell her that I want to do more with her.

    On first viewing the video, I thought that they were both ILI, but upon second viewing, I could see her as SEI and him as ILE.
    He seems to be logically begging her for attention by laying out his case rationally (but enthusiastically) and she is the one who takes control of the situation by approaching him and pushing him onto the bed.

    TBH, that NEVER happened to me with my Caregiver SLI ex-wife, but I'm not an Infantile, and I could definitely imagine that scene in the video playing out between a Caregiver SEI and an Infantile ILE.

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