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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    I mean yes, but reading skills are not the same as reading comprehension... One can learn how to make the sounds to read quickly but that doesn't mean you grasped the meaning of the text, and depending on what the text is about, your solid intelligence will have varying levels of understanding it.

    No you don't have to simplify anything, I am just bad with abstract thinking and will likely never quite understand somethings and that is okay because I started this thread for fun and not for anything too serious.
    It doesnt really matter if they are the same or not because it's all connected. Bear in mind im talking about a completely fictitious, impossibly average hypothetical person.
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    So Fortuna = fortune, fate, factors you can't control

    The willingness to learn and having a curiosity strengthens your power to use your liquid intelligence, and also it depends on how much opportunities for gaining different knowledges are given to you.

    Stunted by x factor during adolescence = I mean I think that your liquid intelligence can be stunted throughout life, adolescence is usually the time where people discover their interests and find where to focus their intelligences, but some people get into trouble and do not realize their potential, i.e. financial trouble and drugs, and so on

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    So using your abilities (tactics) without a plan (strategy) is bad? And having a plan (strategy) without ability (tactics) is the slowest route to victory?

    Assuming tactics mean disposing armed forces as in doing the work, an action, and strategy is planning and directing the operations of the military, as in having a goal and a vision and a solid plan.

    I assume you meant the quote "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat. — Sun Tzu".

    However this could also just be my bad interpretation of what others say as usual...
    No, it's that the macroscopic supercedes the microscopic.

    Choices you make along the way are small and circumstantial, but your max potential pervades every moment, and is thus of ultimately more import.

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    I have a 'high IQ,' but in my case, I was not born smart, but rather made myself smart. At a young age, I got really mediocre grades in school. Then I just started pushing myself and my grades and test scores became much higher. All I did to just push myself was just do every bit of homework and dozens of games and exercises everyday. I believe some people are born smart, but some can work hard and improve their intelligence as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    the main factor is biological: genes, meal, deseases, etc
    an education studies to use the intelligence so helps with good results too
    I had to read your post over several times, but the more I think about it, the more it just makes sense... (i.e., not being sarcastic: that wasn't bad.)
    Last edited by jason_m; 04-03-2021 at 07:58 PM.

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    As I have stated before I do not own one particular perception: binocular-visual depth due to ocular muscles. If you deny me using my own workarounds I will be utterly stupid in those tasks. However I can handle 3D geometry in math because those tasks do not impose particular methods. So this is my answer - apply its meaning here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightWilderness View Post
    So Fortuna = fortune, fate, factors you can't control

    The willingness to learn and having a curiosity strengthens your power to use your liquid intelligence, and also it depends on how much opportunities for gaining different knowledges are given to you.

    Stunted by x factor during adolescence = I mean I think that your liquid intelligence can be stunted throughout life, adolescence is usually the time where people discover their interests and find where to focus their intelligences, but some people get into trouble and do not realize their potential, i.e. financial trouble and drugs, and so on
    Curiosity and willingness to learn are most of what's conceived of as "intelligence," or at least their basis. Smart people are mostly people who apply themselves, and stupid people are those who don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrightDemonSheep96 View Post
    As I have stated before I do not own one particular perception: binocular-visual depth due to ocular muscles. If you deny me using my own workarounds I will be utterly stupid in those tasks. However I can handle 3D geometry in math because those tasks do not impose particular methods. So this is my answer - apply its meaning here.
    So I guess that if one defined intelligence as the ability to handle 3D geometry in math you would score similarly to someone who posesses visual depth? Am I misinterpreting here, or are you saying that deficiency isn't necessarily equal to stupidity ? Your workaround might even be mentally more 'efficient' than using ocular muscles and analysing that data. This would imply that instead of being defined by performance, intelligence should rather be defined as the ability to form heuristics from the information you get. (!)

    Intelligence seems to be a very elusive concept. It is also something that depends both on what you're born with and how you care about it. There are a lot of post-birth catalysts/obstacles like curiosity, willigness to learn, fear of the unknown... There are a lot of criteria that enter in it's measurement too: processing speed, recognition speed, working memory, complexity, synthetic thought, metacognition... It seems obvious that some people will be good in some aspects and not in others...
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