Gulenko's typings of forum members AKA Big G SquaD

[The Reality Denialist]

I think this guy is a good example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5_ogU4Jzt4

you only need to watch a few moments of the video and you already know the type and subtype. compare him to jack from WSS, who is a normalising ILE. he's much more lethargic. the energy difference is clearly visible

H is the absent minded professor and D is the project leader. N is supposed to be some sort of participator in various formal groups.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

H is the absent minded professor and D is the project leader. N is supposed to be some sort of participator in various formal groups.

I've met three ILE with dominant subtypes so far and two are lawyers for big corporations, and the other one is a project manager at zalando. one of my best friends is a harmonizing ILE and he works as a translator but is unemployed most of the time depsite having a tested IQ of around 140. prefers to live a frugal life with his IEI gf.

[Lolita]

I think this guy is a good example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5_ogU4Jzt4

you only need to watch a few moments of the video and you already know the type and subtype. compare him to jack from WSS, who is a normalising ILE. he's much more lethargic. the energy difference is clearly visible

Jack is normalizing EIE and Dr.G typed him as such. Jack loves Ti and talks about it quite often in his videos analyzing functions. He’s obsessed with Ti but doesn’t embody it, rather he tries extra hard to be prove how Ti he is. He does however have Ti very developed coupled with 4D demo Ne that is easily mistaken for base. Jack mainly types people based on social persona which reflects their DCNH. Being that Model A is what he rigidly sticks with, that’s how his typings gets thrown off. That’s why he typed me as SLE because he saw my developed Ti and my seething hatred and aggressive attitude against Fe was explained to me that it’s harder for women to exhibit Fe. Convenient and a very socially neat Fe way of “explaining” it, since he values Fe and that’s his true lead function.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

Jack is normalizing EIE and Dr.G typed him as such. Jack loves Ti and talks about it quite often in his videos analyzing functions. He’s obsessed with Ti but doesn’t embody it, rather he tries extra hard to be prove how Ti he is. He does however have Ti very developed coupled with 4D demo Ne that is easily mistaken for base. Jack mainly types people based on social persona which reflects their DCNH. Being that Model A is what he rigidly sticks with, that’s how his typings gets thrown off. That’s why he typed me as SLE because he saw my developed Ti and my seething hatred and aggressive attitude against Fe was explained that to me that it’s harder for women to exhibit Fe. Convenient and a very socially neat Fe way of explaining it, since he values Fe and that’s his true lead function.

hmm I remember having a conversation about Jack with Gulenko and I mentioned his type and subtype to him I think. I wrote him that I don't get along with Jack because he's probably a normalising subtype and Gulenko agreed with me. has been a while, though.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

maybe another important thing to mention: subtypes have a huge influence on ITR, to the point that they can soften really bad relationships like supervision. if the supervisor is a normalising subtype and the supervisee a dominant subtype, then the relationship might still be quite comfortable, because the normalising subtype won't be able to pressure the dominant subtype all that much, but if it's the other way around, the relationship might become unbearable (imagine a dominant SLE putting pressure on a normalsing LII for example). gulenko thinks that subtypes aer more important for a relationship success then ITR. I wouldn't go that far, though. I agree with him that the development and focus on Fi is important for harmonious relationships, though. that's why N and H subs have a higher chance of a lifelong relationship.

[Aster]

When you book the consult you are provided with about 10 questions or so to answer. Then they send you another additional questions to answer (I think these vary based on what you answered in the first set). And then you are given your results. It was about 4 days for me from starting the process to being provided with my results. My first video was about 13 minutes and the second about 20. Hope this helps!

this is a little different than what they seem to be doing now (at least for me, and it seems others?). I wonder if they recently changed it up a bit.

[lkdhf qkb]

H is the absent minded professor and D is the project leader. N is supposed to be some sort of participator in various formal groups.

When you thought you have understood DCNH and then Gulenko comes and fucks you in the brain with 'complex subtypes'. LOL

Complex subtypes are subtypes that include two components in the DCNH system. For example, consider Dominant-normalizing behavior. A person with a DN subtype is so complex that his behavior is contradictory. In some situations, he behaves dominantly, insists, exerts pressure, wants to be right, and in other situations he wants to play by the rules, rely on what has already been proven, justified or as accepted. How can this be distinguished from each other, and can it be transformed into one another? There are two main criteria for distinguishing which component is first and which is second.The first criterion is the criterion of space or communication distance. The rule works like this - the first component works at a long communicative distance, and the second component works at a close communicative distance. In the variant of Dominant-normalizing behavior, domination works on society, at a formal distance, at work, where there are no close relationships. And the normalizing component is turned on when moving to a close distance, that is, a person changes in the direction of normalization, he does not want to prove his point of view, but wants to do as agreed, according to norms, rules, and the like. Just don't think that dominance and rationing (in this example, the first and second components of a complex subtype) depend directly on the place where the person is. These components are triggered depending on the distance. Close relationships can develop in the workplace, then there will be rationing. Elements of cooling may appear on the territory of your own home, with your family and friends, you can move away, increase the distance, go with loved ones to a long communicative distance. Then the behavior will vary. In reality, of course, everything is complicated, and there is this dynamic, but it is determined by the communicative distance, and not just the location in the physical sense of the word.


But there is also a second criterion - the criterion of time, development, where you are developing. It is known that a person changes, he can soften his character more or harden it. It depends both on the environment in which the person has got, and on the tasks that are currently facing him. If a person, for example, has to take a punch, then he develops from rationing to dominance, for example. In this sense, the criterion of time influences - the person is normalizing, but he develops in the direction of dominance. We consider this criterion from the point of view of personality development. We take the first criterion as the main criterion - distance. When we conduct a consultation, we naturally take into account the development criterion. We tell a person in which direction he is changing or can change. It depends on the person and on the requirements of the environment, on the tasks facing him.

Taken from here.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

When you thought you have understood DCNH and then Gulenko comes and fucks you in the brain with 'complex subtypes'. LOL

haha I thought about sharing his two subtype theory here that he uses nowadays but I worried that it might just lead to N-subs completely giving up on DCNH.

[justalitnerdxx]

this is a little different than what they seem to be doing now (at least for me, and it seems others?). I wonder if they recently changed it up a bit.

oh right, what was your process like? I went through it at the end of August 2020. Although maybe they have refined it now? I only got one subtype whereas some others seem to have been given two

[The Reality Denialist]

When you thought you have understood DCNH and then Gulenko comes and fucks you in the brain with 'complex subtypes'. LOL



Taken from here.

LOL JOA is such a DN. This approach makes it much easier for me. Don't ask me why. MB because there are clear terminals or clear initials or a mix. I really start to roll my eyes when it comes to organized meetings and stuff so I can not really see how I'd ever be normalizing.

[Rusal]

Wait until he throws the cognition styles into this. “Creatives and dominants are corrected double by normalizers of dialectical extraction” “DN holograhpicals are corrected by a factor of 3”. Charts, plus and minus signs eveywhere. What a hot mess.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

I'm not sure what to think of the complex subtypes theory yet. the problem really is that a lot of the research that's done in his institute is inaccessible to us because of the language barrier. I discussed the theory with his team a bit but my focus is somewhere else atm. I find DCNH helpful enough.

[Aster]

oh right, what was your process like? I went through it at the end of August 2020. Although maybe they have refined it now? I only got one subtype whereas some others seem to have been given two

I replied to thehotelambush a page back, but I’ll quote it here so you don’t have to go looking for it :

Well, on their website they ask 5 questions and ask the video to be 5-7min in length. Mine ended up being a little over 7. I thought 5 was rushing it, so I was aiming for 7. Then they send you a set of personalized questions relating to your last video. They personally asked me 10 questions. I saw on the website they ask for the second video to be 5-7min in length, but I saw on this thread that others had made their second video longer, and in the email they sent me, they didn’t specify. Didn’t think I could fit 10 questions into 7min all that easy, so I just made it as long as I needed to.
my second video ended up being I think about 20 min. long.

so, it seems in the first video they are gauging you to narrow it down to a few possibilities (because it even says on their site in your first video you might look like two different types) and the second video is questions to narrow it down further...and, well, I’m not an expert by an means, but I have basic socionics knowledge, and I felt in the second video I had an idea what they figured my type was (by the first video), and in the second they were trying to narrow down my DCNH. after I watched my second video, I already figured what they’d type me as, and I guessed right.

so I’m sure the length varies, but they ask for 10- 14 minutes, in total. considering the second questions are personalized, and prob can not always easily fit into that time frame (of 5-7min), I suspect most are longer.

they only gave me one subtype, too. I think some people might fit into one, and some two. Not sure. I ordered gulenkos book, so hopefully after I read it I’ll understand all this a bit better.

it took me a few weeks to get typed, but I suspect he was prob backed up and busy at the time. it was late November/early December, so about 3-4? months after you

[on a peaceful hiatus]

I replied to thehotelambush a page back, but I’ll quote it here so you don’t have to go looking for it :


they only gave me one subtype, too. I think some people might fit into one, and some two. Not sure. I ordered gulenkos book, so hopefully after I read it I’ll understand all this a bit better.

he doesn't mention it in his book. I don't think that many people in the west know about his 2 subtype theory, and considering that he's a C-sub, he might change his opinion about it in the future

[Exodus]

Well, on their website they ask 5 questions and ask the video to be 5-7min in length. Mine ended up being a little over 7. I thought 5 was rushing it, so I was aiming for 7. Then they send you a set of personalized questions relating to your last video. They personally asked me 10 questions. I saw on the website they ask for the second video to be 5-7min in length, but I saw on this thread that others had made their second video longer, and in the email they sent me, they didn’t specify. Didn’t think I could fit 10 questions into 7min all that easy, so I just made it as long as I needed to.
my second video ended up being I think about 20 min. long.

so, it seems in the first video they are gauging you to narrow it down to a few possibilities (because it even says on their site in your first video you might look like two different types) and the second video is questions to narrow it down further...and, well, I’m not an expert by an means, but I have basic socionics knowledge, and I felt in the second video I had an idea what they figured my type was (by the first video), and in the second they were trying to narrow down my DCNH. after I watched my second video, I already figured what they’d type me as, and I guessed right.

so I’m sure the length varies, but they ask for 10- 14 minutes, in total. considering the second questions are personalized, and prob can not always easily fit into that time frame (of 5-7min), I suspect most are longer.

When you book the consult you are provided with about 10 questions or so to answer. Then they send you another additional questions to answer (I think these vary based on what you answered in the first set). And then you are given your results. It was about 4 days for me from starting the process to being provided with my results. My first video was about 13 minutes and the second about 20. Hope this helps!

Thank you. That's really not enough time to get a solid typing. Best case scenario 30 minutes might be enough, but not in more difficult cases. Definitely not worth the money, in my opinion.

[The Reality Denialist]

I replied to thehotelambush a page back, but I’ll quote it here so you don’t have to go looking for it :


they only gave me one subtype, too. I think some people might fit into one, and some two. Not sure. I ordered gulenkos book, so hopefully after I read it I’ll understand all this a bit better.

it took me a few weeks to get typed, but I suspect he was prob backed up and busy at the time. it was late November/early December, so about 3-4? months after you

There is nothing about that. It is just like there are creative subtypes that flip to normalizing etc (they want to experience a lot but might want stability). Then there are for instance harmonizing subtypes that can flip to creative (or vice versa - extremely visible eccentrics).

[Aster]

There is nothing about that. It is just like there are creative subtypes that flip to normalizing etc (they want to experience a lot but might want stability). Then there are for instance harmonizing subtypes that can flip to creative (or vice versa - extremely visible eccentrics).

oh, ok. This is the two subtype theory that you guys were talking about. Well how did you find out, @Comatose Lamiac 007. This seems like classified information. Have you been sneaking around Ukraine?

[The Reality Denialist]

oh, ok. This is the two subtype theory that you guys were talking about. Well how did you find out, @Comatose Lamiac 007. This seems like classified information. Have you been sneaking around Ukraine?

Well, I have seen that Gulenko has typed a person being in transition phase from C to N for example. I think sgf got a potential subtype that he could make a transition towards. So this shows that one of the dichotomies might have somewhat primary role compared to second or those two can be pretty even which should make subtype quite solid.

[Vex]

NEXT TIME ON THE 16 T:

Does Gulenko actually assign two subtypes?

Who will win the argument about rules? Will we find out why are people so fixated on that?

Is JOA truly an EIE-N?

Is there more to Gulenko’s hidden methods? Or is it just all heresy along with Socionics?

What will be the next derail?

TUNE IN NEXT TIME ON THE 16 T TO FIND OUT!

[The Reality Denialist]

In case of transsub please consult Gulenko before taking any drastic measures.

[Lolita]

oh right, what was your process like? I went through it at the end of August 2020. Although maybe they have refined it now? I only got one subtype whereas some others seem to have been given two

I got one subtype. From what I understand, the one subtype you get is the external subtype, as in how you are socially. The 2nd subtype is internal, as in how you are in personal relationships. You could probably figure out your internal sub-type. Donald Trump is SEE-DD, meaning he’s double dominant sub (yikes). My mom is SEE-DN. I honestly think I’m SEE-NN. How I am socially with strangers is how I am personally.

[Lolita]

oh, ok. This is the two subtype theory that you guys were talking about.

It’s not really that you “switch” off. It’s more like the main one is how you are externally/socially. The second one is how you are privately, personally with the ones you’re closest. I think most people can sort out the second one and it’s possible to be double. I think I’m NN.

[Socionics Is Not A Cult]

I get so damn sick of all these know-it-all hobbyists with their worthless words wanking off to their bullshit Se typing anime characters with DCNH subtypes using their over 30 seconds of experience so they can maintain their fakeass air of intellectualism.

They should return to their personal gyms and exercise their brains.

[Aster]

It’s not really that you “switch” off. It’s more like the main one is how you are externally/socially. The second one is how you are privately, personally with the ones you’re closest. I think most people can sort out the second one and it’s possible to be double. I think I’m NN.

Interesting! Thanks

Hmm I think I could be NH, but not sure. Will have to read more.

[Lolita]

I get so damn sick of all these know-it-all hobbyists with their worthless words wanking off to their bullshit Se typing anime characters with DCNH subtypes using their over 30 seconds of experience so they can maintain their fakeass air of intellectualism.

They should return to their personal gyms and exercise their brains.

That doesn’t make any sense. Se isn’t about intellectualism. You really need to hit the books and learn the basics. All you ever do is spout nonsense and defend people who cling onto their delusional self-typing. This thread is for people who got typed by Dr. Gulenko. Why are you even here?


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[Lolita]

Interesting! Thanks

Hmm I think I could be NH, but not sure. Will have to read more.

It’s not uncommon for most people to be H as second, even as first sub. I thought I could be C in private because I did give the DCNH SEE descriptions to a few friends and they independently think my relations with them is C but I think double normalizing sounds more suited because internally I’m really steady. I have to read more to get a clearer picture, but I know I’m either NC or NN.


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[Socionics Is Not A Cult]

That doesn’t make any sense. Se isn’t about intellectualism. You really need to hit the books and learn the basics. All you ever do is spout nonsense and defend people who cling onto their delusional self-typing. This thread is for people who got typed by Dr. Gulenko. Why are you even here?


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The only reason you resort to your word spells is because you know you could not beat me in a fight. This thread is for Gulenko's typing of forum members and for forum members to resort to personal attacks for sport rather than limiting themselves to the safety of their personal gyms. I was trained in Tibet by the Dalai Lama and have over thirty years of boxing experience and other wordplay.

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[Vex]

I get so damn sick of all these know-it-all hobbyists with their worthless words wanking off to their bullshit Se typing anime characters with DCNH subtypes using their over 30 seconds of experience so they can maintain their fakeass air of intellectualism.

They should return to their personal gyms and exercise their brains.

Tom Nook - LIE-C or SLE-C (I'm thinking SLE-C though)

[xerx]

I get so damn sick of all these know-it-all hobbyists with their worthless words wanking off to their bullshit Se typing anime characters with DCNH subtypes using their over 30 seconds of experience so they can maintain their fakeass air of intellectualism.

They should return to their personal gyms and exercise their brains.

Whatever happened to you, man? You used to be so cool. Now you're just a jerk.

[Socionics Is Not A Cult]

Whatever happened to you, man? You used to be so cool. Now you're just a jerk.

Reflecting what I see rather than being my own light has distorted my gospel.

[Tallmo]

maybe another important thing to mention: subtypes have a huge influence on ITR, to the point that they can soften really bad relationships like supervision. if the supervisor is a normalising subtype and the supervisee a dominant subtype, then the relationship might still be quite comfortable, because the normalising subtype won't be able to pressure the dominant subtype all that much, but if it's the other way around, the relationship might become unbearable (imagine a dominant SLE putting pressure on a normalsing LII for example).

Nice subtype combination + bad main type compatibility is the source for a lot of confusion also. The person seems great - in the beginning, but when you spend more time together you get a weird feeling. One of my biggest disappointments in my early youth was dating a harmonizing LSE. She was of course super nice and interesting, and yet I felt internally insecure. I remember not knowing what to say and how to behave. Everything felt hollow. Despite dating for a year. And the strangeness of supervision chemistry was also very easy to mistake for real attraction, especially combined with H subtype. I've felt it is almost a miracle that Socionics is able to spell this out.

[Samson]

"Complex Subtypes"???


Hahaha! Reminds me of "subwings" in Enneagram. When a guy leaves the toilet seat up, is that D-H or H-C ? A show of neglectful dominance or a case of head-in-the-clouds? Clearly no N type would leave the toilet seat up, ever. Unless, they're N-H maybe... Cause they be rules in the streets, hobo in the sheets! LOL

[Sol]

Anyway, fuck this shit. I’m leaving.

"TIM EII typed by Gulenko"
This can be not a joke. In other case why to run away. And close IEI was my main version for her.

> Do you think that Gulenko can type people in just a couple of hours of online analysis better than they can type themselves though?

To type good by youself takes significant and correct efforts, much of time and work.
The main problem is doubtful accuracy of typers. But they may be helpful, as more sources independently agree about some of your traits - the more possible it's correct. This reduces the chance on mistakes and the time to understand own correct type.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

I have no doubts that sbbds is an SLE. I remember mentioning that I traveled to japan last year and she directly approached me through messages. no INxx would do that.
@Rusal: mb IEI @LemurianLo: more likely Se valuing, maybe LSI or ILI, leaning more towards the former. @Aramas: mb ILI

[ContractedCriminalboy]

I have no doubts that sbbds is an SLE. I remember mentioning that I traveled to japan last year and she directly approached me through messages. no INxx would do that.
@Rusal: mb IEI @LemurianLo: more likely Se valuing, maybe LSI or ILI, leaning more towards the former. @Aramas: mb ILI

I don't know what this thread is but anyone who doesn't think that I'm the most SLI-esque SLI on this site is just stupid as hell.

[on a peaceful hiatus]

I don't know what this thread is but anyone who doesn't think that I'm the most SLI-esque SLI on this site is just stupid as hell.

oh whoops I wanted to write that into the "your typings of forum members" thread.

[Lolita]

I have no doubts that sbbds is an SLE. I remember mentioning that I traveled to japan last year and she directly approached me through messages. no INxx would do that.
@Rusal: mb IEI @LemurianLo: more likely Se valuing, maybe LSI or ILI, leaning more towards the former. @Aramas: mb ILI

She put down “EII by Gulenko” as a dumb joke. She’s never been typed by anyone. I’ve discussed this with several people who have been typed by G and Sb is EIE. It’s very common for people to self-type as their activator. She’s obsessed with her image and stirs up the emotional atmosphere to try to get people to fall on their sword. Fi is ignored as she trashes people who don’t serve/support her image, even friends. She values Se as she starts a lot of shit but shrinks back from any Se used on her as she can’t deal with direct confrontations. She uses the same tactics as EIE Cleopatra with image campaigns and getting other people to take out her “enemies.”

[megedy]

This is a long thread I'm not caught up on yet (...there's so much squabbling in here lol), but finding out Gulenko does typing services is super fascinating. I've self-typed as EII for years now, I'm very curious to see what his opinion is & for the breakdown on his reasoning. Sent the email today.

[megedy]

To sum it up, most people found the process to be useful and interesting. But not everyone who got typed by Gulenko was sold on their typing after long consideration. So it comes down to what the individual thinks best fits them in the end. Some thought their typings were spot on. Others had hesitations but it helped them strongly consider their reasoning for their type and to get more clarity around it. In the end, it's up to you to decide whether or not Gulenko's typing fits you and not feel pressured by others to accept it. Some keep their typing private for this very reason. Best of luck to you.

this is my thought reading some of the arguments here:



is only theory, why you heff to be med?

I'll share whatever he diagnoses me with after it's done. It's hard to see ourselves objectively sometimes, & one more person getting the Big G's authentic certification of type is another person for other people to dissect & compare to haha. & Thank you!

[The Reality Denialist]

It would be great if I had energy/resources/time to do digital fakes out of myself by playing myself through different characters and sending them to mr godfather himself.