I think what some people are really misunderstanding here, is that this method is meant to look at how a person processes information. That's it. This theory is not about personality, it's meant to look at this aspect of themselves. It's a psycho-social theory, "How do people process information and how are they likely to interact as a result?". It would be ridiculous for Gulenko or anyone else to claim that they could know a person and speak for their entire personalities after watching 2 short videos of them.
There are undeniably people who are better researched in this field of knowledge, it doesn't matter about the price tag or what rank they are, but of course someone who trained under another specifically in this field is going to have a deep understanding of this subject (not talking about Gulenko here, but this is just how many Socionists work). And they don't resort to arbitrary and flimsy reasoning such as "You remind me of so and so person so you must be this type", or "you have this sort of humor so maybe this type", or "you have this sort of dress so maybe this function", which I see too much of on this forum (which is literally fine, it's a forum and people have fun with stereotypes, I'm just saying their reasoning goes beyond this).
People are not their types, nobody is "gaslighting" anyone just because they got typed. That's an utterly ridiculous claim. FWIW, a lot of people I talk to still think EIE for me and I can understand that. It's just that's Gulenko's reasoning literally trumps all other reasoning, which is why I stick to IEI. That's it. I'm not "married" to this type either, nor do I wear it as a badge, though I will admit it feels natural to me given the level of reasoning. However, I have always planned to get opinions from other Socionists when I have the time and means, since I think there's also intellectual "food" to be had there in terms of socionics. In any case, it's not like anybody who got typed by Gulenko is saying others must be typed by Gulenko, anyways, or bow down, kiss his feet, and wash his feet with their hair lol.
I'd be curious if anyone would get typed by more than one typists if they'd come to the same conclusion or how their reasoning would differ.
All hail to Gulenko.
I just want to remind to the forum that this is not the first time that people seek out for a professional typing, other past or still active members have done the same, not necessarily with Gulenko, and some of them have even come here to question their professional typing, 'cause want it or not, they sensed something else.
So don't condemn this forum for being shallow and stupid about typing, when there are actually valid members that have spent years when not decades immersed in socionics, and sometimes what they say might just come out as a stereotype, but that's actually the sum of years of analysis and insight. Now you're praising Gulenko's lack of stereotypes, but I think that's just how he types too, according his set of rules and ideas, and of course he won't tell you " you look like Mr Ivanoshka from middle school whom I typed *Intfpj*, that's not professional, but tbh, analogy and parallels are a necessary step to type someone, and so are stereotypes.
They can be bad or good analysis or stereotypes, off or on spot, that's the main matter.
I'm sorry to say that I don't really like Gulenko's theories, and honestly I don't want to spend that much money to get typed by him, but I'd be curious to do that, and would really take his opinion on my type SERIOUSLY, but my own ideas will prevail, in the end, it's not a preconception, but I know I'll have to elaborate what he says before accepting it as a truth about me.
And even, I'd like to discuss my ideas about my type, and someone else's conclusions about my type, with someone, and not just accept whatever they think and say because "THEY'RE ABOVE ME!! THEY KNOW!", because I have no idea of how many times I went to doctors, psychologists, and other REAL professionals, just to, in the end, cure myself alone, that their remedies were worse than my conditions. Or they were just diagnosing something wrong.
In the realm of self discovery I think it's the communication to win over the divulgation. Where the first is an active exchange, and the second just a passive "trusting" activity, that we rely to someone else.
And it's really funny to see how most Ti valuing independent thinkers over here are relying their optimal function to someone else.
(other things are funny too but let's not delve too much... )
I don't think anyone is praising Gulenko specifically when talking about a lack of stereotypes. I was thinking about some Timur Protskiy video when I wrote that actually, but that's besides the point. I can't speak for Godlenko but when I look at my conclusion that I got from him, he mainly looks at how a person reasons and watches their body language to see if things are consistent. He'll sometimes look at the environment AFAIK, how a person dresses, but these are arbitrary and I think he realizes that, hence the DCNH system.
It's perfectly fine to want to talk about ideas relating to your type as well, after being typed, since this leads to learning and gathering more information. People are going to have different ideas overall depending on what you say but it's given me different perspectives on the whole thing, personally speaking.
IMO it's also kind of incomparable to relate this to bodily and psychological health and professionals in these areas not fully being able to diagnose an ailment, to someone who's researched a psychological theory regarding the favored methods of processing various types of information and is considered a master in their area.
The results on my type are in!
Gulenko typed me IEI-N (Normalizing subtype)
Asters intuition determines her ethics. First she perceives or imagines a certain image, and then the feelings that form her attitude are incorporated. This is how the psyche of the irrationals (perceptive types) is organized.
The reverse alternation of functions would also result in a humanitarian, but ethical- intuitive type, which would not be distinguished by such tenderness and grace because of a more static and rational structure of the psyche.
In addition, Aster’s behavior is characterized by flexibility and adaptability. She was able to adapt to the difficult situation of raising four children, and each of them with its own difficulties in character. This temperament is weak in appearance, but nevertheless persistent over time is called receptive-adaptive in HS.”
”Aster’s deep values are the sense of justice, the need for a decent inspiration, the ability to take control in difficult life situations, faith in humanitarian ideals. Recurring images of her dreams are often gloomy and scary. Most of them are nightmares. Often they are symbolic. For example, a dream about falling from the sky hints at a collision of romantic vision and everyday reality in her life. These values, as well as displaced fears, belong to romantic-power beta quadra.”
Honestly, I don’t know what to say, but yes, it was the type I was expecting to be typed. Not at first, but after I watched my second video. And I figured there would be people who wouldn’t agree. And yes, some people have consider this type for me such as @thehotelambush and @mu4 after seeing a video I posted on here a few years ago. I did consider it for a time but a few people (not mentioning any names) basically bullied me out of considering it.
Seems OK, if it reflects your thinking style. People seem to type characters more than thinking which is not what this is really about. So it's a lot about adaptation and adaptation skills do not necessarily reflect type.
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Winning is for losers
Your life is too short to actually do anything useful with it without being wasteful.
Odds seem pretty long. But you know, when you start flipping coins, you can get four heads in a row.
And I remember I used to be fixated on the idea of you being SEI LOL. I take all that back now. It was just based on some really dumb reasoning about your aesthetic choices.
regardless, my sincere congratulations to all the (beta for now) people who have been willing to go through this experiment. I really admire your courage and your sharing, so thank you. if i could i'd try the same, but i have no money
and i think some of the ones typed here are spot on, maybe others are less, but who cares what i say, regardless, kudos ***
Now I want everybody in this forum to be typed by Gulenko so I can see them type without forum bulling bias.
And once again the predictions of Sol fulfill through the typings of heretics and like 90% of the ppl in here are Beta.
Tommy, you should make that 100% of the people here. I went to Gulenko's web site and took an on-line test and got LSI. Because, you know, I'm introverted.
But maybe I'm LSI-D. That would explain it.
Imo if Aster is IEI then her case beautifully highlights how mellow, nice, kind IEIs are different from such EIIs. And she is the most 'Ij' IEI, that is IEI-N.
If I see that difference correctly. Don't shout at me, I'm only bringing Gulenko's message as I see it.
(and that speaks that sol is probably not LSE, or can't type, or Gulenko is deadwood wrong)
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lol honestly the reason I have so many kids is birth control doesn’t seem to work for me. I’ve gotten pregnant on it 3 times. The only kind that works is IUD’s, which I have now, thank god. If I get pregnant again, someone kill me please. Thank you. Lol but no serious I was a birth control baby and so was my brother. Evidently they aren’t as affective for some women, and it can be hereditary. Lucky me!
I don't get why the idea that types and quadras are not more or less evenly distributed among the general (or even forum) population is controversial. There is no reason to think they are, in fact the numbers that do exist suggest they are not.
I find Timur's methods a bit...eh personally, but I don't see why his hypothesis would be wrong.
What good is a book that does not even transport us beyond all books?