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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    I'm working on my own gallery of types and here's the current distribution:

    alpha - 117 examples
    beta - 379
    gamma - 258
    delta - 123

    I have 174 IEI examples, and 12 for SLI. the former simply interests me more.
    I don't know what are your goals that made you want to make your gallery, but for sure it's important to you, judging by how much effort you put in it. If you want it to be high quality and useful I would recommend you to focus on the correct balance between types, even if some types are less interesting to you. Some examples of gallery's practical application where your approach can be a problem:

    1. Gallery as a tool to teach people socionics. When you add so many IEIs to your gallery and so few SLIs people may think the former type is very common in society and the latter very rare. They won't be aware of your way of creating it and can make wrong conclusions about socionics. Also, more examples of a type mean more information to learn about a type. While 12 SLIs is enough to give an idea what this type is about, it's certainly not enough to understand this type in depth (differences between subtypes, characteristic behaviors in different gender/age/occupation etc.). If you decide to look at possible SLIs and type another 12 of them you would get two times more examples of this type, two times more info, while typing another IEIs that you already have a lot of would be much less significant, a waste of time in comparison.

    2. Gallery as a data source for research. There are many different ways in which a well-made list of typed people may be used for analysis, it's a promising direction to help improve socionics (looking for correlations of traits, AI facial recognition etc). I don't think I have to explain why it's important to have many examples of all types to make it work. I'm working on the consensus list for this reason and I need quality typings of all types so the quality of what you do may also influence socionics development in the future in some way.

    3. Gallery as a way to make money. You're knowledgeable in socionics, so you can try to find ways to profit from it, Gulenko is quite successful with his typing services, you may find your own niche too. In this case a well-made gallery with many examples of all types would attract more people to you as a professional, improve your reputation.

    4. Gallery as a self-development tool. Maybe you're doing it mostly for yourself and you share the gallery because it's not much work to do and someone using it is a nice side effect. When you try to type people you gain experience in socionics, looking at a whole list of previously typed people is great to spot some traits typical to a type that you could miss just by typing someone and forgetting about it. IEIs are more interesting to you, you watch more examples of them and learn more about them, your understanding of this type is much better than your understanding of SLIs because of it. Maybe it's ok for finding compatible friends (why IEI instead of ESE then though...) but in real life situations we interact with all types and equal knowledge about them helps to have good relations with people in general. You can say SLIs are not interesting and avoid them but maybe one day an SLI client shows up in your company interested in your product, you fail to encourage him to purchase it because you don't have enough experience with this type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qaz00 View Post
    I don't know what are your goals that made you want to make your gallery, but for sure it's important to you, judging by how much effort you put in it. If you want it to be high quality and useful I would recommend you to focus on the correct balance between types, even if some types are less interesting to you. Some examples of gallery's practical application where your approach can be a problem:

    1. Gallery as a tool to teach people socionics. When you add so many IEIs to your gallery and so few SLIs people may think the former type is very common in society and the latter very rare. They won't be aware of your way of creating it and can make wrong conclusions about socionics. Also, more examples of a type mean more information to learn about a type. While 12 SLIs is enough to give an idea what this type is about, it's certainly not enough to understand this type in depth (differences between subtypes, characteristic behaviors in different gender/age/occupation etc.). If you decide to look at possible SLIs and type another 12 of them you would get two times more examples of this type, two times more info, while typing another IEIs that you already have a lot of would be much less significant, a waste of time in comparison.

    2. Gallery as a data source for research. There are many different ways in which a well-made list of typed people may be used for analysis, it's a promising direction to help improve socionics (looking for correlations of traits, AI facial recognition etc). I don't think I have to explain why it's important to have many examples of all types to make it work. I'm working on the consensus list for this reason and I need quality typings of all types so the quality of what you do may also influence socionics development in the future in some way.

    3. Gallery as a way to make money. You're knowledgeable in socionics, so you can try to find ways to profit from it, Gulenko is quite successful with his typing services, you may find your own niche too. In this case a well-made gallery with many examples of all types would attract more people to you as a professional, improve your reputation.

    4. Gallery as a self-development tool. Maybe you're doing it mostly for yourself and you share the gallery because it's not much work to do and someone using it is a nice side effect. When you try to type people you gain experience in socionics, looking at a whole list of previously typed people is great to spot some traits typical to a type that you could miss just by typing someone and forgetting about it. IEIs are more interesting to you, you watch more examples of them and learn more about them, your understanding of this type is much better than your understanding of SLIs because of it. Maybe it's ok for finding compatible friends (why IEI instead of ESE then though...) but in real life situations we interact with all types and equal knowledge about them helps to have good relations with people in general. You can say SLIs are not interesting and avoid them but maybe one day an SLI client shows up in your company interested in your product, you fail to encourage him to purchase it because you don't have enough experience with this type.

    all the points you are making are very good, so thanks for your answer. I've actuallly showed my website to an SLI angel investor that I've met at the factory in berlin around 2 years ago, but he didn't like that my website didn't have any footnotes and quotations (they are very common for scientific texts in germany). during my interaction, I got the feeling that his thinking was too grounded for me, so I stopped the contact after our conversation. I work with many SLI at my job, I think I have a good idea about this type, but they simply are very difficult to type for an intuitive person, and they lack the ambition to really get themselves out there and become visible.

    here's an example of a german SLI politician. he talks a bit about his model railroad that he has build over the years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz9nmRIuEZw

    as an intuitive, it's pretty hard for me to watch. I can't focus on these realistic aspects for long without getting a slight headache. I'm thinking about hiring an ILI or a similar type to SLI in the future who might find this content more interesting and could help me find more type examples. for now I'm fine with all the beta NF typings I've made so far, since I consider them the main target group for the theory.

    I do think about going to google or other companies in the future to present my website in some way and maybe build a database of types with people who aren't celebrities. I have some options that I want to consider, but I am also heavily invested in crypto and blockchain projects so that might be my priority for the next few years. I don't think I ever want to make money from socionics since my idealism tells me that all the knowledge should be available for free.

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    I got officially typed by G!

    He thinks I'm EIE-H.
    @shotgunfingers we are super duals now. I'm not joking. As well as @Uncle Ave. Come to pap.

    @Suspiria we are apparently the same type.
    @Alive I wonder what you think about this - I know you typed me LSE back then.
    @Northstar activate me sensei.
    @Lolita you will be always below me in hierarchy (despite me not really noticing hierarchies, but whatever).
    @megedy

    Some other people maybe intersted: @lkdhf qkb @Sol @ooo @Megatrop @thehotelambush @Adam Strange @qaz00 @aster @Adios @myresearch

    Here are links to my videos for you to judge whether G is right or wrong or somewhere else about this:
    https://youtu.be/LoqagDCsH1Y - first typing video, in English
    https://youtu.be/z7h-837Z63U - second typing video, in Polish with English subtitles
    https://youtu.be/etNmNjGpYNI - third typing video, in Polish with English subtitles (not safe for children - trigger warning: discussing mental disorder)

    Full PDF raport: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pAi...ew?usp=sharing

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    It's crystal clean and howdy, I think I'm the first person to sacrifice my privacy fully. (well, let's just say that's within given type there)
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    First problem I see there, that, in G's own words

    Duschia believes that he has a great emotional deficit. If he were to take some kind of psychological test, he would get very low scores on the empathy scale. Even if he manages to present himself as a considerate person, he still doesn't feel anything inside. But that's against ethics, isn't it? Yes, but against introverted ethics, which is responsible for empathy. In our case, it's sympathy instead of empathy, so it's an R problem, not an E problem.
    While on G's own site about EIE's leading function, -Fe:

    Owns a wide range of emotional states. Dramatic emotions quickly turn into comic ones or intertwine with them. In front of strangers, he can behave calmly and with dignity. Endowed with the gift of emotional compassion - empathy. Experiencing the other person's emotions as his own. Overflowing with negative emotions often leads to mental breakdowns. Expressive in facial expressions, gestures, gaze, intonation and other emotional signals.

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    I've only had time to watch the first video so far but my thoughts were that you're clearly intuitive and Ni ego. I think the low energy/depression can skew things a bit but H subtype or IP type wouldn't be weird. It's interesting that your most common typings were also D-A cog (LSE, ILI). I'm leaning ILI on the first vid but after a few mins of the second vid the vibe is a bit different, probably because you're speaking your native language.

    Btw, the google drive link to the conclusion PDF requires access, can you update the sharing permissions or maybe link it here as an attachment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    I've only had time to watch the first video so far but my thoughts were that you're clearly intuitive and Ni ego. I think the low energy/depression can skew things a bit but H subtype or IP type wouldn't be weird. It's interesting that your most common typings were also D-A cog (LSE, ILI). I'm leaning ILI on the first vid but after a few mins of the second vid the vibe is a bit different, probably because you're speaking your native language.

    Btw, the google drive link to the conclusion PDF requires access, can you update the sharing permissions or maybe link it here as an attachment?
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pAi...ew?usp=sharing now it should work.

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    @Duschia this is surreal. I was thinking about you yesterday, and your absence and complete disappearance from the forum.

    And now you make this reveal here.

    Congratulations! Hope you enjoyed the process. Us being the same type but on the complementary ends of DCNH makes quite a bit of sense.

    I was contemplating being H a few days ago, but there are some palpable differences in the way we connect with others around us.

    EDIT: it's interesting you mentioned the empathy issues. That's something I found myself struggling with as well, as time went on... and once I've attended more funerals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suspiria View Post
    @Duschia this is surreal. I was thinking about you yesterday, and your absence and complete disappearance from the forum.

    And now you make this reveal here.

    Congratulations! Hope you enjoyed the process. Us being the same type but on the complementary ends of DCNH makes quite a bit of sense.

    I was contemplating being H a few days ago, but there are some palpable differences in the way we connect with others around us.
    Ugh, sorry Sus (and no offence), but when I see you and I see me - we are clearly not the same type. Or at least this seems to me. And, like, that's the one very clear thought I get. (┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻

    I don't share it. But okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    Ugh, sorry Sus (and no offence), but when I see you and I see me - we are clearly not the same type. Or at least this seems to me. And, like, that's the one very clear thought I get. (┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻

    I don't share it. But okay.
    We are from different walks of life with a completely different range and focus. I don't see that as something speaking too loudly against us being the same type. Remember that this place is a melting pot of differing views, as well as the approaches of upholding them.

    You have all the right to reject it of course. Even if wrong, the analysis holds a bit of truth and it could help you in the way you choose to type yourself or to seek further help in doing so.

    Especially now that the forum is less shit ; )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    I got officially typed by G!

    He thinks I'm EIE-H.
    Another bizarre typing... I realized it's pointless to think about this guy as a socionist anymore, he's doing his own typology at this point, sure you can be EIE-H in Gulenkonics.

    To me you VI ILI. I initially typed you LSE because your thought processes seem very Te-centric to me, but I can't deny a lot of what you talk about fits ILI. Maybe your Ni works only as an internal guide and doesn't leak as much into your discussions on forum

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    hey @Duschia was wondering about u too! good to know ure still around and kicking, also lol thx for sharing it all with us, tbh im pretty baffled from this typing because the video in english esp first part is full of T stuff?

    ps. really u look like my bf a lot in talk and behavior and im pretty sure he's not EIE o_O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    I got officially typed by G!

    He thinks I'm EIE-H.
    @shotgunfingers we are super duals now. I'm not joking. As well as @Uncle Ave. Come to pap.

    @Suspiria we are apparently the same type.
    @Alive I wonder what you think about this - I know you typed me LSE back then.
    @Northstar activate me sensei.
    @Lolita you will be always below me in hierarchy (despite me not really noticing hierarchies, but whatever).
    @megedy

    Some other people maybe intersted: @lkdhf qkb @Sol @ooo @Megatrop @thehotelambush @Adam Strange @qaz00 @aster @Adios @myresearch

    Here are links to my videos for you to judge whether G is right or wrong or somewhere else about this:
    https://youtu.be/LoqagDCsH1Y - first typing video, in English
    https://youtu.be/z7h-837Z63U - second typing video, in Polish with English subtitles
    https://youtu.be/etNmNjGpYNI - third typing video, in Polish with English subtitles (not safe for children - trigger warning: discussing mental disorder)

    Full PDF raport: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pAi...ew?usp=sharing

    Comments I've send him as additional things to ease typing:

    It's crystal clean and howdy, I think I'm the first person to sacrifice my privacy fully. (well, let's just say that's within given type there)
    I totally agree with this typing! I considered this typing for you (I was between LIE and EIE), and you seem to have a very similar cognition to @Suspiria, but you also seemed to have strong Te in my POV, so I stuck with LIE. I thought your emotionality was due to being open on internet and being Fi-seeking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    I got officially typed by G!
    @Alive I wonder what you think about this - I know you typed me LSE back then.
    hmm I don't remember typing you at all. I have trouble remembering profiles without pictures here, though. might have been a while ago. mayhe I will watch your typing interview when I have time. I only remember that we briefly interacted a couple of times in some threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    This Gulenko guy leaves so many open holes in his reasoning that I'd like to say he is getting tired of this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007 View Post
    This Gulenko guy leaves so many open holes in his reasoning that I'd like to say he is getting tired of this stuff.
    Give the man a break, it's hard to write personality reports while sunbathing in Bali.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007 View Post
    This Gulenko guy leaves so many open holes in his reasoning that I'd like to say he is getting tired of this stuff.
    considering that Ne has a lot of problems with repetition that could actually be true. that is one of the reasons why I don't want to do typing interviews myself. haven't looked at his typing of duschia yet, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    I got officially typed by G!

    He thinks I'm EIE-H.
    @shotgunfingers we are super duals now. I'm not joking. As well as @Uncle Ave. Come to pap.

    @Suspiria we are apparently the same type.
    @Alive I wonder what you think about this - I know you typed me LSE back then.
    @Northstar activate me sensei.
    @Lolita you will be always below me in hierarchy (despite me not really noticing hierarchies, but whatever).
    @megedy

    Some other people maybe intersted: @lkdhf qkb @Sol @ooo @Megatrop @thehotelambush @Adam Strange @qaz00 @aster @Adios @myresearch

    Here are links to my videos for you to judge whether G is right or wrong or somewhere else about this:
    https://youtu.be/LoqagDCsH1Y - first typing video, in English
    https://youtu.be/z7h-837Z63U - second typing video, in Polish with English subtitles
    https://youtu.be/etNmNjGpYNI - third typing video, in Polish with English subtitles (not safe for children - trigger warning: discussing mental disorder)

    Full PDF raport: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pAi...ew?usp=sharing

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    It's crystal clean and howdy, I think I'm the first person to sacrifice my privacy fully. (well, let's just say that's within given type there)
    I believe Gulenko is most likely correct. You and suspiria basically have the same eyes anyway. I'm not acting like that should be proof in itself. It's just a side note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007 View Post
    This Gulenko guy leaves so many open holes in his reasoning that I'd like to say he is getting tired of this stuff.
    ITT: Lots of people who can't accept how bad they are at Socionics and think the man with more experience than years they've had alive is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    ITT: Lots of people who can't accept how bad they are at Socionics and think the man with more experience than years they've had alive is wrong.
    I'm not talking him being wrong. His analysis seems to need some clarification. I can fill those cavities by knowing how he thinks but finalized paper still lacks explanation which encourages people to draw too far reaching correlative and causative relations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007 View Post
    I'm not talking him being wrong. His analysis seems to need some clarification. I can fill those cavities by knowing how he thinks but finalized paper still lacks explanation which encourages people to draw too far reaching correlative and causative relations.
    He might actually be doing a more holistic VI typing thing and then filling this analysis report afterwards to justify his vibes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    He might actually be doing a more holistic VI typing thing and then filling this analysis report afterwards to justify his vibes.
    Tbh Socionics is impossible to do without high level pattern matching with intuition. So the logic will never be perfect by itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    Tbh Socionics is impossible to do without high level pattern matching with intuition. So the logic will never be perfect by itself.
    It is actually pretty easy to put those conditions into a system and practice fuzzy logic. There are logical types that can not grasp fuzzy conditionals [while I'm like at home when it comes to it] but I think he is just lazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    Tbh Socionics is impossible to do without high level pattern matching with intuition. So the logic will never be perfect by itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    He might actually be doing a more holistic VI typing thing and then filling this analysis report afterwards to justify his vibes.
    So he VIs everyone as Beta ? I don't even think the people he typed EIE looked that much alike...

    He says himself that he is against VI as a method for typing. I read somewhere that one of his associates says that the Deltas cannot be interested in Socionics, so that if someone asks him for a typing, he may eliminate delta typing automatically.

    That would explain some of his weird typings .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alive View Post
    hmm I don't remember typing you at all. I have trouble remembering profiles without pictures here, though. might have been a while ago. mayhe I will watch your typing interview when I have time. I only remember that we briefly interacted a couple of times in some threads.
    I had another account, Mesn, where you did (100% sure). I've posted a short interview video and a lot of people suggested types like SLI also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    I had another account, Mesn, where you did (100% sure). I've posted a short interview video and a lot of people suggested types like SLI also.

    ah ok. I was really confused because I thought: "I don't remember typing Duschia at all". I also don't remember your other account, but maybe you're right. not sure if I have time in the next few days to look at your videos. might take a while for me to write a response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    I totally agree with this typing! I considered this typing for you (I was between LIE and EIE), and you seem to have a very similar cognition to @Suspiria, but you also seemed to have strong Te in my POV, so I stuck with LIE. I thought your emotionality was due to being open on internet and being Fi-seeking
    The thing is: if I come off as emotional, or I am emotional, I'm not aware of this. I don't even know what you are talking about with 'emotionality' there. I likely have some degree of alexithymia. That should be a big red flag for me being typed as Fe dom (as is the empathy thing - Fe-doms are empathetic, unless, well, you have to write analysis down).


    I also don't relate to Beta quadra description (poor Shotgun probably has an apoplexy attack for seeing me as Beta), when I see those people typed as EIE - philosophers - I instinctually can't take them seriously and I disagree with them, because I see errors in their logical reasoning outright and them making useless ad hoc presumptions (see Marx, Nietzsche, Hegel), I don't see hierarchies and titles well (which is 'characteristic of EIE - and the attitude to people in power') and I've made problems because of that already (democratic, open manner of communication doesn't work in highly hierarchical environments), and so on. I also don't have 'humanistic' interests, I'm interested in computers, making money and statistics. That doesn't fit the bill either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sah Kel Plaisir View Post
    So he VIs everyone as Beta ? I don't even think the people he typed EIE looked that much alike...

    He says himself that he is against VI as a method for typing. I read somewhere that one of his associates says that the Deltas cannot be interested in Socionics, so that if someone asks him for a typing, he may eliminate delta typing automatically.

    That would explain some of his weird typings .
    Proper VI is not just static physical features, it's a lot about dynamic nonverbal behavior. He most certainly uses the nonverbals, they're prominently mentioned in his book and he uses them often in his analysis reports.

    It might be true that he thinks deltas are usually uninterested in typology and it's probably true that betas are much more interested in general than deltas. It's categorizing people after all and putting them in boxes.

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    The another problem.

    As I've said, I have depression/OCD/panic problems. How to deal with it in Gulenko's eyes, while being an EIE? Simple - use more Te:
    https://k5cjslhnraqkcobd7gihjzs4na--...rticle/?id=162

    The problem is, as many have noted, that I seem to have at least heightened Te for EIE already (if I'm one). I'm already using it. And this is not helping at all so far.

    Let's take an example. Let's take the type of EIE. He fixates on relationships, on the fact that they should be good, but he cannot create them.
    I've specifically listed all my obsession/fixations (OCD). They don't include relationship-obsessions (ROCD). I've told him that I don't have them. I have other fixations, yes, but not these. In fact, the one relationship I am (Marta) is naturally healthy and stable, and I don't see any reasons why I should change that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qaz00 View Post
    Another bizarre typing... I realized it's pointless to think about this guy as a socionist anymore, he's doing his own typology at this point… Gulenkonics.
    Yeah, same conclusion I came to.

    I actually like his earlier work, but apparently he flipped his shit in the last few years. Or went all in on differentiating himself to buildup a consultancy racket.

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    You know what? Fuck it. I'm okay with this typing. I mean I don't really relate to Fe, but it's -Ni heavy, so it's all right/okay. EIE-H would be, I imagine, the heavy Ni type (as Victor said), so EIE extremely turned to Ni (-Ni). Which is okay.

    I get that I'm too quick for an ILI, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    You know what? Fuck it. I'm okay with this typing. I mean I don't really relate to Fe, but it's -Ni heavy, so it's all right/okay. EIE-H would be, I imagine, the heavy Ni type (as Victor said), so EIE extremely turned to Ni (-Ni). Which is okay.

    I get that I'm too quick for an ILI, lol.
    Duschia has seen the light of Gulenko. All praise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    Duschia has seen the light of Gulenko. All praise.
    I mean he can still retype me eventually, like he did with Einstein (typed ILE, now ILI).

    Anyway, I'm not complaining. What I knew is that I'm a heavy Ni-type. I still relate much more to Te than Fe (re: interests, and I'm not changing them, maybe expanding), but okay. Socionics may be wrong somewhere, or I developed EIE-ILI split personality disorder.

    And I actually recommend this typing experience despite shortcomings of it.

    And I can't complain about those masked complements in 'EIEs are just more intelligent than ILIs' Or 'Duschia has many talents he doesn't even yet know about'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    I mean he can still retype me eventually, like he did with Einstein (typed ILE, now ILI).

    Anyway, I'm not complaining. What I knew is that I'm a heavy Ni-type. I still relate much more to Te than Fe (re: interests, and I'm not changing them, maybe expanding), but okay. Socionics may be wrong somewhere, or I developed EIE-ILI split personality disorder.

    And I actually recommend this typing experience despite shortcomings of it.

    And I can't complain about those masked complements in 'EIEs are just more intelligent than ILIs' Or 'Duschia has many talents he doesn't even yet know about'.
    My interests have at times drifted in the direction of thinkery stuff. I tend to get pulled back though somehow.

    And everyone's a sucker for a good compliment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramas View Post
    My interests have at times drifted in the direction of thinkery stuff. I tend to get pulled back though somehow.

    And everyone's a sucker for a good compliment.
    I never had any 'humanistic' interests tho. When I was young, I was into archaeology, medicine and all that stuff.

    In fact, I still feel very uncomfortable when forced to express myself. I remember being young and forced to go on parties and meetings - I hated that. Poetry - very far away. Mysterious shit like Helena Blavatsky, Nostardamus - extremely far away from my jam, and I'm supposedly their subtype.



    I've wanted to ask G some individual questions about on how to improve my condition right now (as a supposed EIE-H), and he agreed, but he wants me to pay $120 for answering four individual questions in text, so let's just say I feel when someone tries to scam me for money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    You know what? Fuck it. I'm okay with this typing. I mean I don't really relate to Fe, but it's -Ni heavy, so it's all right/okay. EIE-H would be, I imagine, the heavy Ni type (as Victor said), so EIE extremely turned to Ni (-Ni). Which is okay.

    I get that I'm too quick for an ILI, lol.
    IM(humble)O I'd type you LIE-Ni (H?). Wouldn't surprise me at all if you're the same type as @nanashi
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    Maybe I should learn to explore other people's consciousness. Maybe I should aim for a real space between me and others. Instead of cultivating monologues and fantasies. It's hard, but the alternative to this seems to be madness. ~ lkdhf qkb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    I never had any 'humanistic' interests tho. When I was young, I was into archaeology, medicine and all that stuff.

    In fact, I still feel very uncomfortable when forced to express myself. I remember being young and forced to go on parties and meetings - I hated that. Poetry - very far away. Mysterious shit like Helena Blavatsky, Nostardamus - extremely far away from my jam, and I'm supposedly their subtype.



    I've wanted to ask G some individual questions about on how to improve my condition right now (as a supposed EIE-H), and he agreed, but he wants me to pay $120 for answering four individual questions in text, so let's just say I feel when someone tries to scam me for money.
    Well, your questions would be taking up his time and energy. And he doesn't know you personally, so it takes extra effort to get into the right mindset to give you good advice. He's a working professional. I don't think he has time for giving out free help like that. He probably has a family of his own etc. I understand his perspective because people most likely always want his time and energy but that's limited stuff. Consulting and therapy are difficult.

    About the different interests from what's usually considered standard NF club interests, I don't really know. It's possible you're really out of touch with your real self. It's possible the typing gulenko gave you was wrong. It's possible that the types aren't limited to stereotypes. I can't give you an answer I don't have.

    I've been on the fence myself with my dad being LSI or SEE. I think it's possible that him being SEE if true made him want to force me into an ILI box to satisfy his personal needs. Or at least someone emotionally withdrawn and more interested in intellect than anything else. He has a hard time with basic stuff like reading and figuring out technology.

    Relevant personal experience because idk maybe you've been forced into boxes by other people who wanted you to be something different for their personal benefit or fulfillment. When I was growing up, I mistakenly believed I was a technology sort of guy because for me being online was the one place I could go that allowed me to have my own space where my parents couldn't intrude and overpower. It took me a while to figure that out and ditch something that wasn't really my thing.

    My self confidence is probably not the best and I think it's from years of being torn down by a selfish asshole with his own problems who just happened to be my father. I've never thought of myself as being good with people because the other people in this area are a lot like him: redneck fundamentalists. Of course I'm not good with them because I'm nothing like them. Doesn't mean I'm not an NF.

    Maybe you feel uncomfortable expressing yourself because you've been criticized, punished and demeaned for doing so. I don't really know. Thrse are just thoughts and ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    I never had any 'humanistic' interests tho. When I was young, I was into archaeology, medicine and all that stuff.

    In fact, I still feel very uncomfortable when forced to express myself. I remember being young and forced to go on parties and meetings - I hated that. Poetry - very far away. Mysterious shit like Helena Blavatsky, Nostardamus - extremely far away from my jam, and I'm supposedly their subtype.
    You are probably 3F, 4E in psychosophy and I'm inclined to say 1L 2V.
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    I'm screening through @Varlawend blog.

    EIE: The Mentor-rebellious, gifted, imaginative, while intolerant
    Ethics of Emotions (E):
    -proactive = gaming emotions
    -negative = shocking emotions, tragicomical, causticity, ridicule, ambiguity
    -Mentor is shocking, pumps, stirs contrasting emotions (-E)
    -The mentor is characterized by nostalgia for the past, the desire to insure against future dangers (-T)
    -God, fate, destiny rule the world. This type is one of the most oriented at mysticism and religion, honestly believing in its own messiahood, seeing itself as a missionary for forces cosmic or divine.
    Again, I'm not very mysticism/religion oriented, if at all. It was always like that. This is very weird for a supposed 'seer' subtype. In fact, most of my 'convictions' are very meek if any. There is no fate or destiny there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chin Diaper 007 View Post
    You are probably 3F, 4E in psychosophy and I'm inclined to say 1L 2V.
    Maybe, I don't buy into psychosophy.

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