bravo!Originally Posted by Socionics Is Not A Cult
bravo!
Theories to categorize human beings have been around for centuries. Carl Jung wasn't the first to come up with that. In fact I would say that most of what Ni does is to categorize
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Hopefully The Waterboys won't sue.bravo!
I’m sure if you tell them about Gulenko they will be ok with it
Hmm, I don't know. I don't want to give them the impression I'm some weirdo.I’m sure if you tell them about Gulenko they will be ok with it
just being here makes you a weirdo. Embrace it
gulenko mentioned the possibility of me being EII instead in my report, but he said that EII would not have such ‘tenderness and grace’. He also said, to sum it up, that I appeared much more irrational. like there was no question that I’m irrational. So it’s almost like he wanted to have a types he was in between, but it seems to me he wasn’t serious about it (me being EII) or actually considered it. It seems like in most reports he likes to have two types he’s debating. Like it’s a common theme of the reports. I guess for contrast. Some people he really does seem like he’s debating two types more, though, I noticed.
some random law firm sued me for a thousand bucks because I used a 300x300 picture of the Dalai Lama who probably fiddles with children. There's no way I'm going to do projects in germany or in general. I prefer to be low-key and not get eaten by idiotic ghouls. Internet anonymity is the safest bet. I was already unsure if it's worth it to show videos of myself, but they are going to get drowned by AI garbage soon anyway. I'm pretty much betting on some autist with some weird pattern recognition to find my stuff and make sense out of it because it ain't happening with the average person.
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Wow! That’s crazy you got sued for that! They prob didn’t even really give a shit that you used that picture, they just wanted a pay day
there’s like a million pics of that guy. you know how to pick them, I guess! Lucky you
you would think they’d at least ask you to take it down first before pursuing legal action…but like I said, they probably just saw dollar signs!
they claimed that their agency was losing money and that it was a photo of "high quality". when I told them that I do not even have any kind of monetary system on my website and that it's just a hobby they still used the brilliant german copyright law to get something out of it. nothing you can do about it. AI uses pretty much anything it can find but we still have extremly outdated laws to screw people over. The liberal world can't crash and burn soon enough. oh how I would love to send every person in a suit to mars so they can sue each other while running out of air.Wow! That’s crazy you got sued for that! They prob didn’t even really give a shit that you used that picture, they just wanted a pay day
there’s like a million pics of that guy. you know how to pick them, I guess! Lucky you
you would think they’d at least ask you to take it down first before pursuing legal action…but like I said, they probably just saw dollar signs!
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I don’t have an opinion on the Dalai Lama, because I’ve not investigated enough, but apparently the “suck my tongue” in his culture isn’t at all sexual and is an idiom.. https://www.phayul.com/2023/05/17/48398/
I mean, it is a good point that he did it publicly and in front of the parents and hundreds of people…. However, I will say, that even though he would be less cultured and isolated, he needs to be more aware of the people he’s interacting and evolve with what is litigious now, for the sake of himself. He could be pedophilic still, but the phrase he spat specifically isn’t sexual in his Tibetan time.
Because the media has a propensity of manipulating things, me not knowing Tibetan culture and the time the Lama grew up in enough, or if all he said was that or if he actually engages the tongue sucking, I refuse to have an opinion on if his actions are pedophilic or not. I just don’t have the information to make an accurate and informed view.
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complete BS. You so got screwed. well I guess I’m sorry?
you learned a lesson, suppose. Could have been worse. It could have been several pictures and/or more money! sounds like you are being more careful now.
ooohh I forgot to reply to this! But I went to her profile and tried to access her blog. it says I can’t because we aren’t friends. She could have deleted it, too!
I feel like such a creeper right now. I hate clicking on peoples profiles. Sometimes I do accidentally and it makes me feel like such a stalker lol!
Not a problem on reply.
You have a lot of responsibility going on with your home life.
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It's okay, I'm sorry if I came across as an asshole in my last post or before.
I'm not saying anyone has to agree with Gulenko, or SHS, or whatever. I don't like authority either, and I think reasoning and rationality is the way to break dependency on authority, to break "intellectual hierarchy". Also, free flow of information.
I think my anger came from seeing opinions which seemed not very well reserached to me, stated in bold terms, not from seeing others agree/disagree. I myself have been critical of Gulenko above, I think using type images is insightful but empty without reasoning, and his reasoning can just be a tangle of contradictions sometimes.
I understand about inconsistency, ie changing Jung's type for example. Tbh, regarding this specific question, I know SHS students type Jung LSI-H with Ni accentuation usually. I have not heard or seen Gulenko himself express himself on this. I actually think beta makes sense for Jung. LSI-H is not particularly concerned with immediate impact or power in the real world. And Ni accentuation can produce an obession with symbols, the unconscious, the esoteric, amongst other things. My point is that...I at least understand the reasoning here. Perhaps according to another school with different justifications, Jung might be typed differently, and I'm agnostic as to what is the best description in this sense, since they are all just ways of describing something that is observable.
Anyways, I feel kinda bad about my anger in my last post, though I guess sometimes people just need to express themselves, me included. You seem pretty cool overall and I didn't mean to be an asshole.
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Hey Aster, thanks for your reply, I agree with you that typology is nothing set in stone. It's not science, at this point these are models built to explain phenomena in human behavior, or in human cognition, but they are not tested scientifically because people are aeren't willing to drop them when they fail the test of experimentation (though many aspects of what typology measures, for example cogntition, is hard to experiment in the first place...)I so much agree with you! It comes across as ego problems, arrogant, and kinda paranoid lol
I’m just going to say right now, and I’ve said it before, that I don’t trust my typing abilities that much. I know some of model G from what I’ve read online and his book, but I don’t know near as much as some people on here. I go with what I know. But the attitude that others can have is kinda over confident in their opinions and ridiculous. typology isn’t set in stone, maybe it doesn’t exist and it’s all on our heads for gods sake. People are just being dramatic lol
everything is going to be ok people
im kinda addressing two points in this thread, one you made and one you didn’t (people thinking they are so right) so yeah this might be confusing sorry lol
Ultimately, typology is as good as it is useful.
Also, it's fine to not know alot about a topic, lol.
I don't have a problem with your typing of Gulenko, my issue was more in some of the statements you made, that seemed bold but poorly researched. For example that Rose fit EII in model G, when most of us don't know what an SHS EII even looks like, except for Carl Rogers or a few fictional characters.
I think you have a point about accentuations in SHS being used to justify a typing which would possibly be expressed differently by a different system. For example, Jung as LSI with Ni accentuations, could better be expressed bu typing Jung Ni base instead.
You talk like some kind of genuine power abuse has/is taking place.
It would be easy for me to say I haven't seen any crimes commited by SHS students, nor do I think they act like subordinates, but this would probably just increase paranoia. The fact is that people are suspicious, and since I am in contact with SHS students, anything I could say would be seen as "nothing to see here".
Everything you say is true in theory, but not everything is an abuse of power, in reality.
yeah that freaked me out a bit, because back then I didn't know if this was the only instance or if I would get some copyright claim from several firms now. The IEI thread I created here would be pretty much impossible in germany and I'm unsure how the copyright rules even are for this site. I don't think I'm more careful. The only thing I did was deleting the entire gallery. I have always broken rules. I pirate pretty much anything I can. "Copyright" is a foreign concept to me. At the same time, I'm not charging anything for the stuff I do.complete BS. You so got screwed. well I guess I’m sorry?
you learned a lesson, suppose. Could have been worse. It could have been several pictures and/or more money! sounds like you are being more careful now.
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They're really good at hiding their shit. I could go on, but I'm not trying to be a drama queen.
Watch your back.
yeah I try. not great with responsibility, but I try
I’m a huge multi-tasker so I’m usually doing like ten other things when I reply on here and sometimes I prob don’t give the most thoughtful of answers! And miss some things. Feel kinda bad but I’m glad you understand!
you deleted the entire gallery, though! That’s something! Ha. Well you should be more careful really, but you do youI’ve always been wary of the ‘post random pictures thread’ on this site for that reason. And Pinterest worries me. They are constantly sending me emails they have to remove one of my pins because of copyright. I don’t know the laws. Maybe I should find out! lol but nothing bad has happened yet.
It is feeling conscientious and that is a good thing.yeah I try. not great with responsibility, but I try
I’m a huge multi-tasker so I’m usually doing like ten other things when I reply on here and sometimes I prob don’t give the most thoughtful of answers! And miss some things. Feel kinda bad but I’m glad you understand!
People low on it never do as they say and are unreliable. Thumbs down.
My dentist office charges an extra 20 for office visits on Saturday, no matter who it is.
Why?
The office comes to work, and nobody even bothers to call in to say they can't, just a no show.
I hear this a lot, and i experience it on selling things on media, where they stand you up, not even to bother to tell you, hey, i cant make it.
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if gulenko happened to be LSI in his own model, then (for me at least) the whole model crumbles from the ground.
im going with his self type, otherwise model G is obsolete to me
i don’t care what everyone else wants to think, that’s just how I personally see it
I’ve made appointments before and didn’t show up. I didn’t call to tell them I wasn’t coming either. I’m not proud of it. It’s pretty shitty lol
i have really low conscientiousness tbh. It’s a struggle. I think I’ve gotten better as I’ve gotten older though! it’s something I struggle with every single day. I’d consider it my biggest weakness (don’t tell anyone, im a phony and like to pretend I’m conscientious lol )
Hmmm, well, think of you being there, and the consequences of it. It is a good habit, to break the old habit. I'd call it mindfully considerate. Sounds like your plan.
In the schooling days, i got 2 certificates of perfect attendance for 2 different years. If i was not there, it was because i couldn't be there.
They always picked me out for some responsibility. Or, i found one myself.
My dad always told me he can count on me no matter what happens. "Reliable, steady, trustworthy," etc,
This is a type forum, so i'm putting this here. Shows J in my book.
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I’ve actually had a few appointments within the last three months that I was a no show and didn’t call
they call me and I don’t answer my phone. because maybe I’m ashamedso maybe not completely better, but there are some things I’ve gotten better about. Like running the dishwasher every night and not letting it pile up in the sink for days…
I’m on like a 5 month streak!
I used to skip school all the time and go shopping in HS. I was a helper in a 1st grade class, first period, and the teacher would get so pissed when I wouldn’t show.
but that’s enough shitty confessions of myself
i def think there is a correlation between conscientiousness and rationality
I think you are on to something.I’ve actually had a few appointments within the last three months that I was a no show and didn’t call
they call me and I don’t answer my phone. because maybe I’m ashamed
I used to skip school all the time and go shopping in HS. I was a helper in a 1st grade class, first period, and the teacher would get so pissed when I wouldn’t show.
but that’s enough shitty confessions of myself
i def think there is a correlation between conscientiousness and rationality
In my posting here, i know what it is like to be them, waiting for you ( me), and i do not want to put anyone thru the wringer.
It is being considerate on one layer, but also the effects ripple thru people's minds, and i always said we are like tuning forks, that are transferring energies to one another thru space. In music, on resonates from the other.
Bad tunes create worse vibes, or the reverse moving on to better heights.
Anyway, this is my intuition playing out, and rationality.
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I guess when I say she is a stereotypical eii, I mean by his book, Why are People so Different? And also in that she is very, very private and well, she has over shared some things online I guess, but she still is very secretive, and she forgives and sees the good in people from a default, and builds towards moving “artificial relations”. I don’t mean she has fake relations, in G’s model, process types build artificial means, and in an eii, it would mean they move towards accepting and building “family” where it isn’t natural. His whole natural and artificial thing can be offensive to process types if they don’t know the context or what artificial is meant by.
I don’t believe she wants her type discussed though, but this was just to make the point in that this is why I see her as stereotypically an eii. It doesn’t have do with what he teaches in his class. If he has that stark of a difference from his own book, he needs update or disannounce it.
One other thing is she fits all of the Renin dichotomies of an eii too— positivist, static, even in G’s model, casual-determinist.
I am in my head; not society.
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My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
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The thing I will say is that.. There is sort of a harass culture on the discord side of model G and a lot of gaslighting and invalidation.. It is a toxic area of that community, but I’m not claiming Dr G., himself, is this way.. If you know how anything like the enneagrammer community is, it is sort of like that, but less toxic than this (discord model G is less toxic than EU culture).
It is basically just hate typings, gaslighting, gossiping, putting down people with what they’re typed, etc.
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
I believe one thing to really point out is that most people who are into typology aren’t emotionally-integrated individuals. This is a “dumping zone” of childhood trauma and people who have been failed by conventional pursuits, and a particular quality of having a need to understand and go deep into things and psychology. Healthy people would generally just learn they’re a type and move unto it, not roll around in every typology, even a psychology nerd would move unto a new area of psych..
I can only recall maybe three people who didn’t experience any childhood adversity who are in the socionics and enneagram community combined.
With lower mental health comes less healthy uses of typology and their labels.
Neurodiversity is geared towards typology, which also increases the propensity of childhood adversity.
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
When I was about 9, I came up with a scheme to skip school ("skiving") "only" one day every 2 weeks, but my teacher clocked it pretty quickly. I guess because people don't tend to be ill like that!I’ve actually had a few appointments within the last three months that I was a no show and didn’t call
they call me and I don’t answer my phone. because maybe I’m ashamed
I used to skip school all the time and go shopping in HS. I was a helper in a 1st grade class, first period, and the teacher would get so pissed when I wouldn’t show.
but that’s enough shitty confessions of myself
i def think there is a correlation between conscientiousness and rationality
Improving your happiness and changing your personality for the better
Jungian theory is not grounded in empirical data (pdf file)
The case against type dynamics (pdf file)
Cautionary comments regarding the MBTI (pdf file)
Reinterpreting the MBTI via the five-factor model (pdf file)
Do the Big Five personality traits interact to predict life outcomes? (pdf file)
The Big Five personality test outperformed the Jungian and Enneagram test in predicting life outcomes
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you little rebel, rebel, you!
Yeah, we have talked about this before and how you are in touch with different Discord servers than I, so perhaps that is where our differences in experiences lie.
In my mind, I have a visualization of typology and the community.. Typology is this scenery with trees and a bright future straight across, but people who walk across its path and aren’t healthy fall into the pitfall in this lever that opens up, you can just say it’s unstable ground, but it isn’t what I had in my visualization moving metaphor.. Someone who is healthy walks straight across the typology world to a better future and beyond just typology land, but the people who are unhealthy fall in and are entrapped in the hidden ground of typology world.
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
I just had that image series move amid my mind, I have these metaphoric scenes in my imagination often.. But I didn’t have further, what I can say is people in typology communities aren’t emotionally-integrated individuals for a most part. People who are healthier don’t roll around on the floors of typology world, and stuck into it, fixating upon labels to understand things or for people with absent identities, to explain their own self, when it is a big picture of dynamics interplaying one another that comprise a singular personality. They move about to something else, they don’t get “stuck”, entrapped into it. This is why, I believe, aside from typology being built for neurodivergence and that alone inflating the likelihood of childhood adversity, believe why typology attracts unhealthy profiles.
I am in my head; not society.
Yes, that is who I am, hence the bold am. Also, a brain angel. (+ my own incarnation of a Zelda concept).
My thoughts align w action to succeed what needs (at least in my dreamed ideal, they do)…
Dragons:
Babies, click them to make them grow up into Kara’s Dragon Museum
My favorite adult Museum Exhibits
Gulenko is at most an IEI, but I find LII more likely. He has a similar kind of broad way of explaining things, like he describes Beta as Sparta, but he doesn't dive deep into why or describes the history like Ni typically does. I see a similarity to me here. He is wrong though, although Sparta ids probably a wet dream for Beta types with an authoritarian right mindset. I csn see why he would think that
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