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    Can you give example if it isnt private? I would keep some of mine to myself so I understand if you dont want to share.
    Sure.


    * The main plot usually involves moral issues (e.g. what is a bad or a good person) with an event that sets everything in motion.
    * Characters are incorporated that represent different attitudes to a hellish situation unlocked.
    * One of the characters is basically me (can be a man or a woman, but its another version of myself really) in the middle of a dilemma.
    * The 'main plot' can last for years. It evolves over the years with jumps in time and changes in locations and contains scenes that are more pivotal than the rest, so they play in my head over and over. Developments of some importance in my life propel the story forward or make daydreaming more present.
    * Hero's journey and rebirth themes under stressing circumstances. Overall the fantasy makes it feel like there's a part of me preparing for impending doom under the hands of immoral others.

    Well into adulthood, I remember finding it very charging to think up genealogies and imbue each name with a quality that, just by reading it, conjured up daydreams about the vibrancy of the society they lived in. It wasn't always moral stuff.

    I think the difference with intuitives might be the time and attention paid to daydreaming. It keeps repeating more and seems more constant, somewhat, since its such a big thing with them.
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    haha I wondered when I saw all that text if you were stoned again thank you for the analysis


    My psych told me I internalize my problems. I don’t think I’m overly emotional, but yes, I think they are hidden for the most part. I have actually been worried before that I have quiet borderline personality disorder. I don’t think I have BPD, but I can definitely relate to some of the symptoms. So yes, there is more to what you see I’ve been told I’m very secretive, especially about certain things.



    yeah I’ve always been described as pretty ‘reserved’. I grew up in rural Indiana with no neighbors and my only friends were cats, so I relied a lot on my imagination to keep me entertained. when I went to school I was so shy and felt like such an odd girl out. I would watch people socializing and I was envious that I couldn’t be more easy and suave, ‘open’ in communication as them. I never tried to be ‘unique’, I just always felt like a weirdo and there was something ‘wrong’ with me that made me different. I was also pretty agreeable and never got in trouble. My parents said I was a breeze to raise and a bit of an old soul. I was always interested in uncommon ‘weird’ things, and I didn’t care much that they made me a weirdo. But I went through a stage where I actually tried really hard to fit in with everyone else and be normal as possible...the drive was envy. Envy and jealousy are huge drives for me...but I also don’t care for conflict and have pretty good self control and generally avoid it by being farsighted, but I realize I can’t always avoid it.


    as for image, I do care about my appearance. I really like clothes, and shoes, and have my own style. I put myself in major credit card debt when I was in my early 20’s from my clothes shopping habits. I ended up filing bankruptcy when I was 22 from it lol it was a real eye opener that I can’t live the high life with no job/no money. I like nice stuff Im also terrified of getting fat. I have an ED, but it’s nothing crazy, I just focus on my weight on the scales a lot and worry about getting fat(basically I feel I’d rather die than go over a certain weight) and have this thing/paranoia about my face potentially looking fat. lol I’m not openly competitive, and I’m not competitive about just anything. It’s personal, and usually I’m competing against someone and they don’t even know it. It’s a secret competition and it gives me Goalz.


    Enneagram types seem like a bunch of disorders to me and it’s like my disorders all mesh and play off each other in my head, so it’s hard to tell which one is dominant.


    I agree with 4 being over typed. When I first got in enneagram and typology, I immediately thought I was a 4... and then noticed a lot of other people did, too. Then I had a lot of people tell me they thought I am a 9... but I agree I’m prob soc first/sx last=so/sp


    Anyway my adhd is out of control lately, too. That’s all I can manage for now
    That is more than enough for me to happily dissect; good management skills. First off, I identify with a lot of that intro paragraph. I have been professionally diagnosed as BPD and a whole clown car of other shit - whether I agree with it or the other diagnoses is something that I change my mind on repeatedly, though most of the time it’s not even on my mind to begin with. It is not the end of the world being labeled this disorder, or that. I am familiar with the concept of “quiet” BPD, though I’m not sure how much of it is truly real - it just sounds like BPD with Avoidant Personality traits which is an already existing diagnosis specification from what I can remember. I internalize a lot myself and it is not something you can unlearn overnight. 7 and 9 both internalize a good deal of shit and I’ve always nicknamed type 9 as “the introverted 7” in my mind. We are both far more miserable than meets the eye (not always, but we have our moments) and 7 mistyping as 4 or 9 mistyping as 4 or vice versa for both pairs. 7w6 and 4w3 is what I spent most of my (angsty) young teens stuck between. I think I WAS overly emotional in my past, I don’t really personally connect with that anymore- I am still emotional but I don’t think it’s “overly”. I don’t like that defining me either way.

    What you go on further about with being socially envious and a weirdo: I should have mentioned earlier, that is common among all IxFx even when they are NOT 4s as well. The fact that you never TRIED to be unique is telling, though. Shit, I have been guilty of feeling that way myself and I’m not even IxFx OR 4. (I was also bullied and ostracized in one period of my life, so that explains a lot. I have ended up popular later on, instead. Some kind of ying yang cycle, I guess.) I also believe 9w1 is normally properly dressed, very far from the hobo slob idea we can get with 9w8’s appearance. They are also way neater than 9w8 in their living spaces, too. I have seen you bring up your ED before- I hope you are in a better place now. I was never officially diagnosed with one and I don’t think I ever had a full fledged one, but I have binged and purged in my time - could just be a BPD thing. Skipping meals was probably the worst ED habit I had adopted - it’s something I still do randomly here and there to this day but now it’s more due to me putting my social plans or adventures ahead of forcing myself to eat. I have probably done most self destructive things you can think of lol. I love fashion personally, and I like to have a bold and attention grabbing style that is simultaneously trendy- I have dressed goth, punk and alternative, preppy, and so on all in my past. But you will also catch me being lazy some days, like yesterday I didn’t even shower and I just threw on some rags when it was time for me to head out the house, but I still tried to make an impression by wearing a pretty decent hat that I’ve never worn around the company I was with before, and I ended up getting a compliment on it so mission accomplished. I have my own fear of getting fat or being ugly (including fixating over my face being fatter as well) and I would be inclined to agree that I would rather die than be too high up on those scales, and I would also throw in a fear of losing a common body part like a leg or whatever and being a freak because of that. It’s not hard to see why I’ve typed in the heart triad before, I think. But at some point, everything takes a backseat to my main worries of whether I’m having as much fun as I possibly could be in the moment and near future.

    I am also terrible with spending money and I would not have saved a dime if I didn’t have my mom gatekeep my savings for me lol. I am 21. And yeah, I think enneagram is supposed to be uncomfortable.

    I would agree with So instinct, and leaning So/Sp with it, too.

    (And feel free to vocalize any thoughts on me, as well. )
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    @flames, I think maybe when you have issues like we do, it just makes us hard to pin down it can be hard to see passed all of it imo.

    so are you going with 7w6 now? I could see that for you. Or 4w3 fix? What made you change your mind ultimately?

    I’m ok right now, thanks for asking I never got too thin. I started chewing and spitting when I was in my early teens. it started when I thought my face was fat. Lol. I didn’t think about food too much when I was younger, honestly. I hardly ate. I started getting obsessive about it in my early 20’s and was weighing myself several times a day/counting calories/documenting my weight/aiming for like 800 cal a day or less. Visiting pro Ana sites for tips & tricks (my bad lol) But I never get to the point where I wanted to keep loosing and loosing. I’ve only went under 100lbs once when I had adderall to help me lol. But I still think about my weight a lot, but right now I’m not being overly obsessive about it, not as bad as I was. It varies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I've lived by myself for years and I don't mind it, as long as I can socialize at work. Having a live-in roommate would be really tough for me if that person weren't very compatible. I don't think I get lonely. I do think I get starved for human interaction. I don't think those two are the same thing. Instead of feeling lonely, I get bored.
    I think that's a great conceptual distinction, Adam -- starvation for human interaction (so relatable as the pandemic drags on :'() vs. loneliness.

    I lived alone for 3.5 years in my mid-twenties, not because it was the healthiest for me but due to lack of options for compatible roommates!, and then comfort and fear of change as I got settled in. Experienced loneliness on the reg.

    Now I'm coming up on 3.5 years with a varying cast of roommates every 6 mos-2 yrs in the city where I'm in grad school, and my goodness, do I also appreciate the insight above that 'Having a live-in roommate would be really tough for me if that person weren't very compatible.'

    - The things I went through with an academically brilliant young woman (LII, probably) who had major issues with personal hygiene and physical self-awareness.
    - With my identical, who was going through crazy stressful re-processing of childhood trauma and we had all these lead Fi-lead Fi... confusion on 'are we housemates first or friends first', as she would put it... omg.

    And then she wasnt gonna be comfortable living with our new roommate for reasons related to her trauma, so she moved out very suddenly. And this new roommate is my conflictor.

    And for the first time next week I'll have a male roommate! Who will play some kind of buffer role between me and conflictor, I imagine.

    I needed the social safety net of having people around me, especially while adjusting and orienting to a really stressful grad program. And my living habits have improved in this time -- I can really tell when I'm on my own but still clean up after myself more quickly than I did back in my solo living days.

    Lease ends in July and I'm apartment-hunting for August already. Gonna be me and a cat and I'm excited for it. My head is still spinning in adjusting to some of the roommate dynamics, but also, at least I have SOME company right now--my small circle of friends and I up here are being really cautious with covid, so I only get to see them every few months... I could see some acquaintances, but the intimacy would just be all off, kinda, so I haven't for a while.

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    @spaciousfreedom, I’ve found that roommates are a really mixed bag. Almost all of my roommates have been introverts, but not all of them have been easy to live with.

    After university, I lived alone for a couple years. Had an LSI GF whom I didn’t live with, then a succession of relatively brief affairs with a variety of women, none of whom lived with me. Each one was fun and unstable. The last one was so crazy that I started to think that I was one of those people who was just not cut out to be married. So I stopped dating and stopped looking.

    After about a year of living entirely for myself, I met this female SLI. I didn’t even think she was my type, but we kept hanging out and I started thinking that she was so easy to get along with that it might be possible for the two of us to live together. To test this, I rented a little house on the beach near Charlevoix and we lived there for two weeks. We got along seamlessly, she was smart and sensible and beautiful as hell, I knew she would make a good mother to our children, and I started thinking of marriage.

    I did marry her, and I was right; we could live together easily, and we did. Unfortunately, her family had a history of divorce and we were not Duals, so one day, after many years, she moved out. But she was actually a great roommate.

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    When Gulenko types your pair/close friend to a dual by your description, or you know such cases - tell us here.

    Duals are not often case in pairs. And not often for close friends, as those are common of same sex and so relations have more predisposition to be emotionally surface as pals, for what closer by abbilities types are also or more interesting.
    Among reasons is that people pay not so much attention to the personality of the pair, compared to sexual passion and social status/material incomes. It's sad, it predisposes to emotionally worse pairs, but it exists massively and seems worldwide. Many people even do not believe to have long good emotions and close friendship in a pair as possible or important, so don't seek for this. With other situation there would be lesser divorces instead of ~50%: as to have good material situation without concrete pair is not hard in many places, as sexual passion reduces significantly during ~3 years, especially when personal attraction and love state are not good, as people overesteemate individualism and don't care enough about the pair so he felt good and both felt good too as people in a pair depend strongly from the state of each other - so stays much lesser than was initially to be in a pair; it's important to have good friendship and love state so long relations were more interesting and attractive than switching to other pairs.
    Also there is a quantity of other relatively good and not bad IR (semiduality, activation, mirror, mirage, identity) what reduces the chance to choose a dual by personal sympathy factor.

    As it's evident that Gulenko understands the lack of data when types by a description, so higher chance he intentionally may say duals, but not because thinks so with an assurance as claims. People like it and hence this helps with new people to come.
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    @spaciousfreedom, I’ve found that roommates are a really mixed bag. Almost all of my roommates have been introverts, but not all of them have been easy to live with.

    After university, I lived alone for a couple years. Had an LSI GF whom I didn’t live with, then a succession of relatively brief affairs with a variety of women, none of whom lived with me. Each one was fun and unstable. The last one was so crazy that I started to think that I was one of those people who was just not cut out to be married. So I stopped dating and stopped looking.

    After about a year of living entirely for myself, I met this female SLI. I didn’t even think she was my type, but we kept hanging out and I started thinking that she was so easy to get along with that it might be possible for the two of us to live together. To test this, I rented a little house on the beach near Charlevoix and we lived there for two weeks. We got along seamlessly, she was smart and sensible and beautiful as hell, I knew she would make a good mother to our children, and I started thinking of marriage.

    I did marry her, and I was right; we could live together easily, and we did. Unfortunately, her family had a history of divorce and we were not Duals, so one day, after many years, she moved out. But she was actually a great roommate.
    My favorite part of this was "To test it..." Adorable

    I was in a relationship with my look-alike, an LSI, for a year during that period of living alone. At first didn't think he was marriage material, then was changing my mind after a few months. Towards the end we talked about him maybe moving in with me down the line. He was QUITE unhealthy, though, which is why I ended up pulling the plug on the whole thing. But we did get along really well, so I think I can relate.

    Hmm.

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    @shotgunfingers, @Suspiria, @megedy, @aster
    I'm curious
    What are the questions he asked you? Can you share?
    I see potential relationships everywhere

    If I could ask for anything impossible, that would definitely to talk to every human being ever born

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    @shotgunfingers, @Suspiria, @megedy, @aster
    I'm curious
    What are the questions he asked you? Can you share?
    Additional questions to Attila
    1. Were you doing well in school? Which subjects did you do better? <= easy enough, was a str8 A student :/, IT and foreign languages+math. I hated literature.
    2. Can you sort out a lot of information in your area of interest? <= well yeah and I ranted about that.
    3. What does it mean for you to be a "problem solver"? <= explained how I solved problems at work and for friends, specific examples.
    4. Do you finish what you started when you no longer have an interest? <= I said NO, because I don't.
    5. How do you memorize data? Numbers, dates, multiplication tables? Do you use associations or analogies? <= I hate rote memorization, prefer associative thinking and understanding how shit works. My memory is bad for unimportant details.
    6. Do you have a mood swings during the course of a day? <= nope, stable mood unless someone pisses me off or I feel ill.
    7. In what situations are you alive and emotional? <= gave specific examples, concert, good movie, in love, doomer music
    8. Do you perceive well the emotional state of the person next to you? <= I said yes, easy for me to read body language and to understand other ppl.
    9. Do you like jokes? Can you be ironic? <= yupp, I often joke with friends, sometimes crude jokes.
    10. How do you feel during your public appearances? <= anxious, would rather stay in the background, but I can handle myself surprisingly well if put in a spot.
    11. How would you behave if you find yourself in a conflict situation? <= fight or flight and gave specific examples including punching through plasterboard walls at work, breaking doors, punching ppl & fighting in the street when I was a kid, smashing equipment, openly threatening people with violence.
    12. Do you maintain orderliness in your room/closet/desk? <= my answer was NO, I am messy and disorganized.
    13. Do you play sports? If so, what kind of sport? <= answer was not really outside of strength training & enjoying competitive gaming.
    14. Do you have a best friend? Compare yourself to him/her. How do you differ in character? <= gave a comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    @shotgunfingers, @Suspiria, @megedy, @aster
    I'm curious
    What are the questions he asked you? Can you share?
    1. Do you dream a lot? If so, what are your dreams about?
    2. Do you have a mood swings during the course of a day?
    3. Are you anxious in certain situations?
    4. Do you feel that any events will happen?
    5. How do you handle your finances?
    6. Do you believe in “happy end”?
    7. Do you like to spend your time outdoors, in nature?
    8. How would you behave if you find yourself in a conflict situation?
    9. Do little kids love you?
    10. Do you have a close friend? Compare yourself to him/her. How do you differ in
    character?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatrop View Post
    @shotgunfingers, @Suspiria, @megedy, @aster
    I'm curious
    What are the questions he asked you? Can you share?
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    Some of us were asked to compare ourselves to our girlfriends/boyfriends, others to our friends/close friends.

    I wonder if this is intentional, or if it's the question serves exactly the same purpose, just framed differently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ave View Post
    Some of us were asked to compare ourselves to our girlfriends/boyfriends, others to our friends/close friends.

    I wonder if this is intentional, or if it's the question serves exactly the same purpose, just framed differently?
    were they looking at ITR or just how we saw other ppl compared to self image? ?_? btw why did I get 14 questions and you guys 10?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    were they looking at ITR or just how we saw other ppl compared to self image? ?_? btw why did I get 14 questions and you guys 10?
    How people compared. Edit: could've been looking at ITRs too

    I got 11 questions btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    were they looking at ITR or just how we saw other ppl compared to self image? ?_? btw why did I get 14 questions and you guys 10?
    He seems more sure of their type based on their first video. Based on the questions you get, G and/or his team was unsure if you are Ne/Si valuing or Ne/Si and there are some F questions so he was unsure about something related to Fe but it could be anything, he may have just tested the position of Fe(polr, seeking, etc) to be sure of your type.

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    The second set of questions depends upon what you said in the first video. From what I understand, Gulenko already knows your type from the first video, just that the second video is to determine your subtype.

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    if he types like me, he probably already has an idea about your type within the first few minutes of your first video. the rest would be about confirming the hypothesis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiana View Post
    The second set of questions depends upon what you said in the first video. From what I understand, Gulenko already knows your type from the first video, just that the second video is to determine your subtype.
    That may be true. I am sure Gulenko and his team have seen different types of people since he is a known socionist in this field. However, I think everyone possess different level of difficulty due to the effect of different typologies such as enneagram and upbringing and trauma etc. If he is certain about everyone's type by only reviewing two videos, his conclusions will fail some people for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    That may be true. I am sure Gulenko and his team have seen different types of people since he is a known socionist in this field. However, I think everyone possess different level of difficulty due to the effect of different typologies such as enneagram and upbringing and trauma etc. If he is certain about everyone's type by only reviewing two videos, his conclusions will fail some people for sure.
    I have been wondering if he sometimes doesn't come to a conclusion and refunds or if does more than 2 interview videos in certain cases.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSJOpuTQk-0

    this SEE reminds me of a person that I can't remember right now. a shame that he mentions his type so soon because I want to know if I come to the same conclusions. I just immediatly saw him as extrovert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    That may be true. I am sure DarkAngelFireWolf69 and his team have seen different types of people since he is a known socionist in this field. However, I think everyone possess different level of difficulty due to the effect of different typologies such as enneagram and upbringing and trauma etc. If he is certain about everyone's type by only reviewing two videos, his conclusions will fail some people for sure.
    I’ve gone over this point many times: he’s a Ph.D who’s got over 30 years experience and a research institute on this subject. He’s not a hobbyist and this is his life’s work just like Augusta’s. Anyone can disagree with his analysis, but that won’t make them an expert or anymore knowledgeable in this area.

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    That SEE dude strikes me as SEE-C which I think is the most common, stereotypical SEE. Im restrained and not so impulsive as typical SEEs since I have developed Ti + Fi. An EP with EP temperament is chaotic and Ive seen some of that guys videos and hes literally all over the place. I knew he had developed Ne, but hard to know where the Ne is placed with Model A.

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    I noticed Se base types have this solidity not only to their bodies but also facial features seem heavy, solid, well built. Makes me wonder how much of one's genetics plays a part in type. Most SLEs for example seem to be high testosterone, even the women. a lot of the recommendations for becoming more C sub which relate to Se or simply improving Se are stuff one has to do to increase testosterone, such as :eating red meat a lot, contact team sports, becoming more competitive and taking every small advantage over other people one can get.. weight lifting.

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    I edited and added some to a couple of comments about daydreaming in this thread (here)-
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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    I have been wondering if he sometimes doesn't come to a conclusion and refunds or if does more than 2 interview videos in certain cases.
    I hope he does.

    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    He is fair about his feedbacks. However, it is hard to pinpoint statements to IE's and their positions since integration of IEs determines the type, hence fractal parts may not sound true without describing the integration. I would love if G has done what he suggests, but it would take too much effort and time and it could increase the risk of misconception. G's reporting style is more safe and sound and a good choice since he gets paid from it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kiana View Post
    I’ve gone over this point many times: he’s a Ph.D who’s got over 30 years experience and a research institute on this subject. He’s not a hobbyist and this is his life’s work just like Augusta’s. Anyone can disagree with his analysis, but that won’t make them an expert or anymore knowledgeable in this area.
    I know that he is not hobbyist and I like his work and typing skills. Every human can make mistake and when it comes to socionics which covers human psyche, it is hard to be certain about some individuals. I am sure he has seen lots of different people and typed them since he has a solid experience in this area. I would like more forum members to get typed by him, I am learning from his conclusions and he has my trust on this to some degree. Based on the different questionnaires prepared for different people, he is likely to want to uncover uncertainity. So maybe he asks for additional videos when he isnt sure about someone's type although it may be rare occasion. However, if he is certain about everyone's type with only 2 videos, errors will be inevitable. But this doesnt mean that his margin of error is high or anyone here typed incorrectly. Noone is or will be almighty or flawless, this is the fact of life and not aim to dis G or anyone typed by him.

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    Lol, the russian trolls have their presence even on Gulenko's review videos. Had to go in and give them some fodder by linking the original typing videos instead of the 4 min review. Let's see if they manage to come up with something even better than Sol level typology like what t-shirt you're wearing and if you scratched your nose once. The "marshall in void" girl (claims to be SLE) is especially great, she doesn't even know what Jungian dichotomies are but claims to have the only description of extroverted sensing on her own youtube channel, lmfao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Lol, the russian trolls have their presence even on Gulenko's review videos. Had to go in and give them some fodder by linking the original typing videos instead of the 4 min review. Let's see if they manage to come up with something even better than Sol level typology like what t-shirt you're wearing and if you scratched your nose once. The "marshall in void" girl (claims to be SLE) is especially great, she doesn't even know what Jungian dichotomies are but claims to have the only description of extroverted sensing on her own youtube channel, lmfao.
    wtf I just noticed you went through with it! lemme load up the sock puppet account and give a like.

    Btw, I think there are some butt-hurt typists floating around who envy G getting all the $ expect them in the comment section and in forum posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    I know that he is not hobbyist and I like his work and typing skills. Every human can make mistake and when it comes to socionics which covers human psyche, it is hard to be certain about some individuals. I am sure he has seen lots of different people and typed them since he has a solid experience in this area. I would like more forum members to get typed by him, I am learning from his conclusions and he has my trust on this to some degree. Based on the different questionnaires prepared for different people, he is likely to want to uncover uncertainity. So maybe he asks for additional videos when he isnt sure about someone's type although it may be rare occasion. However, if he is certain about everyone's type with only 2 videos, errors will be inevitable. But this doesnt mean that his margin of error is high or anyone here typed incorrectly. Noone is or will be almighty or flawless, this is the fact of life and not aim to dis G or anyone typed by him.
    Ok, this is what I have a problem with. Why do you want to piggyback people who got typed by G? Why don’t you spend the money and get yourself typed by him? And plus, he teaches classes so you can spend your money and learn from him directly. You’re trying to rip off his research and methods through random people.

    And no, he doesn’t ask for additional videos for anyone who’s been typed. People can be bitchass angry that they didn’t get the type that they wanted and complain to him but that’s not his problem if you psychologically built yourself up around a false identity. You assume that 2 videos isn’t enough but that’s arbitrary on your part since you don’t have the research knowledge he has so you can’t determine what his method is or why it is. And no one is almighty but so what? We’re not talking about God and so I don’t know why you brought that in, as that’s another thing altogether. We’re talking about socionics and who has in-depth expertise and knowledge, DarkAngelFireWolf69 with Ph.D and his entire life’s work for 30+ years vs hobbyists on a forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiana View Post
    Ok, this is what I have a problem with. Why do you want to piggyback people who got typed by G?
    I am trying to understand how different types of people got typed, why do you frame a question like that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiana View Post
    Why don’t you spend the money and get yourself typed by him?
    I am certain of my type and dont need confirmation at this moment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiana View Post
    And plus, he teaches classes so you can spend your money and learn from him directly.
    If he shares people's videos and types with me, I would pay but he cannot do that due to data protection act/law.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiana View Post
    You’re trying to rip off his research and methods through random people.
    As I said, I am trying to understand how different types of people got typed by watching videos and seeing his conclusions. He has zero benefit and harm from this. As I said, if he shared his database with me, I would pay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiana View Post
    And no, he doesn’t ask for additional videos for anyone who’s been typed. People can be bitchass angry that they didn’t get the type that they wanted and complain to him but that’s not his problem if you psychologically built yourself up around a false identity.
    It is impossible to be certain of 7.8 billion's type by watching two videos. Yes, people can get angry if they didnt get what they want. However, some angry or pleased people will be typed wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiana View Post
    You assume that 2 videos isn’t enough but that’s arbitrary on your part since you don’t have the research knowledge he has so you can’t determine what his method is or why it is.
    This is not an arbitrary assumption. Human mind, information metabolism is complex. Everyone goes through different kind of life paths which some evidently effect how their brain work besides socionics. So different type of people doom to possess different levels of difficulty when it comes to typing. Hence, noone can type everyone on earth without a margin of error. My knowledge of socionics is irrelevant, this is not about me or him, noone can do this. There is a margin of error in different kinds of works. Socionics or anything related to psychology is more complex, unknown and unprovable to clarify. Hence I can say this without having an expert knowledge for socionics and other typology, psychology areas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiana View Post
    And no one is almighty but so what? We’re not talking about God and so I don’t know why you brought that in, as that’s another thing altogether. We’re talking about socionics and who has in-depth expertise and knowledge, DarkAngelFireWolf69 with Ph.D and his entire life’s work for 30+ years vs hobbyists on a forum.
    I brought that up, because I basically say that if he is certain about all people's type without additional videos besides two videos, he will make a mistake and although, you never claim that he cannot do any mistake directly. You are mentioning his phd and experience like you claim otherwise. To be sure, are you saying that he cannot make any mistake about someone's type?

    If you do, then you are saying his method/skills are flawless which would be inhumane/almighty since people who have lots of experience and phd in medicine, science, engineering etc can do mistakes, making mistake about socionics's type or attachment style or something related to typology, psychology is much more easy. This isn't about Gulenko, if there was any another socionist I would say the same thing. I can even say noone can type everyone with %100 accuracy. Gulenko can decrease his margin error by asking for additional videos when he is uncertain or refunding as dead suggests. Some other people can decrease their margin errors in different ways. Having a room for improvement doesnt decrease the credibility or success of a work.
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    I checked a few testimonial vids about Gulenko's typing in his channel. It comes off to me as if it's life changing. I don't know if clients are given a personalized type description, but if they were, is it really that accurate? I'm kinda thinking I should go get typed, but I'm still trying to improve my knowledge of socionics so I can be a good judge of his assessment of me. I think I only saw one who didn't agree on the typing so far, but to be fair I do think that with my limited knowledge he was typed correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dead account View Post
    I have been wondering if he sometimes doesn't come to a conclusion and refunds or if does more than 2 interview videos in certain cases.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSJOpuTQk-0

    this SEE reminds me of a person that I can't remember right now. a shame that he mentions his type so soon because I want to know if I come to the same conclusions. I just immediatly saw him as extrovert.
    It's amazing that he thinks he could be Si base. He shows clear signs of Se. I think he simply takes his Se for granted and is unable to see it as his base function.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by one View Post
    I checked a few testimonial vids about DarkAngelFireWolf69's typing in his channel. It comes off to me as if it's life changing. I don't know if clients are given a personalized type description, but if they were, is it really that accurate? I'm kinda thinking I should go get typed, but I'm still trying to improve my knowledge of socionics so I can be a good judge of his assessment of me. I think I only saw one who didn't agree on the typing so far, but to be fair I do think that with my limited knowledge he was typed correctly.
    It can be “life changing” on a systematic level depending on the individual’s reasons for getting typed to begin with. I believe the purpose of typology is to learn how to throw away your delusions and you can’t do that unless you go through processes. If you’re wanting to be ego stroked or verified as a type, then that’s likely to be disastrous. For me, I was already typed by Jack of WSS right from the start when I got into socionics to give me a sense of direction. After spending more time investigating socionics, and understanding the IMs better, I knew that what I was typed didn’t totally fit (although it was an ok typing). After observing several people here get typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69 and I thought they’re accurately typed, I did some research on him. I decided to get typed so I can know what my real type is since he created DCNH system and that accommodates the variances within the same type. Sure enough, I’m rather a “rare” type to go seek out DarkAngelFireWolf69 and I’m not a “stereotypical” SEE where it would be obvious because I have developed PoLR to where it doesn’t bother me. This is likely why I was typed SLE by Jack when DarkAngelFireWolf69 sorted out that I’m an SEE with developed Ti. Finding that out in itself was totally worth the money because I know what to work on. I think G is truly amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by one View Post
    I checked a few testimonial vids about Gulenko's typing in his channel. It comes off to me as if it's life changing. I don't know if clients are given a personalized type description, but if they were, is it really that accurate? I'm kinda thinking I should go get typed, but I'm still trying to improve my knowledge of socionics so I can be a good judge of his assessment of me. I think I only saw one who didn't agree on the typing so far, but to be fair I do think that with my limited knowledge he was typed correctly.
    I was given a small type description. I’m not sure if it is exactly ‘personalized’. But I haven’t seen that exact description that he gave me for IEI-N in the book or on the website. They may give it to others in their conclusion that receive the same type. But it was accurate for me.

    in my case, when I sent in my video, I hadn’t been doing much research at the time on socionics (and hopefully forgot a lot) or read that much into gulenko/his book to where I understood +/- functions. And I didn’t want to do a refresher that way it wouldn’t have as much of an influence on what I said. Of course it could have some, because I do know the basic theory. But imo, you are better to go into it naive that way your answers won’t be as swayed... not that I’m saying you would, but I think if you know something it could be unconscious. And then read more about his theory, the book etc. afterward to see if you think it matches. Of course, it’s up to you, but that would just be my advice

    I saw the SEE guy who thought he was SLI. I thought he seemed clearly base ,IMO. He didn’t look very happy about it

    of course I agree it’s impossible to get everyone right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    I am trying to understand how different types of people got typed, why do you frame a question like that?
    Yup. So is everyone else here, including the people who already got typed. What sets you apart from others in this respect?


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    I am certain of my type and dont need confirmation at this moment.
    Ok, but then wouldn’t you be better able to understand the process by going through it yourself? You’ll be able to gather more data on your end rather than collect it through unreliable 3rd parties. If you’re married to your type and afraid he won’t type you as you want, then you’re in no better position to be above hobbyist nor scrutinize his typings.


    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    If he shares people's videos and types with me, I would pay but he cannot do that due to data protection act/law.
    Plus, it’s his work. If I spent my life working something I’ve dedicated myself to building up and branching out, I wouldn’t let anyone know my trade secrets either. That’s also called work product, and that’s legally protected.


    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    As I said, I am trying to understand how different types of people got typed by watching videos and seeing his conclusions. He has zero benefit and harm from this. As I said, if he shared his database with me, I would pay.
    Gathering info from 3rd parties here won’t really be much help. The point is he gets no benefit from people revealing his process and even then, what good would it serve you as you’re trying to undermine someone’s hard work.


    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    It is impossible to be certain of 7.8 billion's type by watching two videos. Yes, people can get angry if they didnt get what they want. However, some angry or pleased people will be typed wrong.
    Why would it be impossible? You’re relying too heavily on the possibility of something to being the answer but cannot rationally explain why. Cognition isn’t personality. It’s not behavior, either. Although Western take on typology heavily relies on behavioral analysis and that’s wrong. Behavior is learned. Cognition is hard-wired. It’s not getting to know someone through the span of their lifetime. It’s testing a person to see how they think. That’s all. DarkAngelFireWolf69 researched enough to determine that’s what it takes. The possibility that he’s not always right is there. But who’s got his level of expertise that’s gonna challenge him? Tantalov maybe? It’s not going to be hobbyists. The Ti policing really needs to be taken down 3 notches. Not just you. But every other person who believe themselves experts and are so gun ho to correct G just because they take a passing interest in a subject that someone else dedicated their entire life to.

    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    This is not an arbitrary assumption. Human mind, information metabolism is complex. Everyone goes through different kind of life paths which some evidently effect how their brain work besides socionics. So different type of people doom to possess different levels of difficulty when it comes to typing. Hence, noone can type everyone on earth without a margin of error. My knowledge of socionics is irrelevant, this is not about me or him, noone can do this. There is a margin of error in different kinds of works. Socionics or anything related to psychology is more complex, unknown and unprovable to clarify. Hence I can say this without having an expert knowledge for socionics and other typology, psychology areas.
    You say it’s not arbitrary but don’t explain why specifically 2 videos isn’t enough. So yes, what you say is arbitrary since it’s based upon the limited information you have on G’s process and can’t adequately challenge it.


    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    I brought that up, because I basically say that if he is certain about all people's type without additional videos besides two videos, he will make a mistake and although, you never claim that he cannot do any mistake directly. You are mentioning his phd and experience like you claim otherwise. To be sure, are you saying that he cannot make any mistake about someone's type?
    I never claimed he’s perfect or can’t make mistakes. You come off wanting to police someone who’s knowledgeable on a subject that infinitely surpasses yours and you’re still unable to drum up the tangible arguments to challenge. I love a good challenge if there’s any merit to it but you’re gonna have to do a lot of investigating to even make a dent.

    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    If you do, then you are saying his method/skills are flawless which would be inhumane/almighty since people who have lots of experience and phd in medicine, science, engineering etc can do mistakes, making mistake about socionics's type or attachment style or something related to typology, psychology is much more easy. This isn't about DarkAngelFireWolf69, if there was any another socionist I would say the same thing. I can even say noone can type everyone with %100 accuracy. DarkAngelFireWolf69 can decrease his margin error by asking for additional videos when he is uncertain or refunding as dead suggests. Some other people can decrease their margin errors in different ways. Having a room for improvement doesnt decrease the credibility or success of a work.
    Nope. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. Sure, people make mistakes. Again, you’re looking to catch G being “wrong” but you don’t have the ammo to take a shot. Whether people are typed right or wrong by G, they’ll either embrace it or reject it. How would you know who’s actually typed wrong if they’ve embraced it or they reject the right typing? You don’t know the process, so you haven’t an idea of where to start.
    Bottom line is I immensely respect G because of his hard work and brilliant continuation and refinement of the energy model, +/- system, and DCNH. Until you’re able to level the same amount of forceful contribution to challenge him, you’ve got nothing to stand on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiana View Post
    It can be “life changing” on a systematic level depending on the individual’s reasons for getting typed to begin with. If you’re wanting to be ego stroked or verified as a type, then that’s likely to be disastrous. For me, I was already typed by Jack of WSS right from the start when I got into socionics to give me a sense of direction. After spending more time investigating socionics, and understanding the IMs better, I knew that what I was typed didn’t totally fit (although it was an ok typing). After observing several people here get typed by Gulenko and I thought they’re accurately typed, I did some research on him and decided to get typed so I can know what my real type is since he created DCNH system and that accommodates the variances within the same type. Sure enough, I’m rather a “rare” type to go seek out Gulenko and I’m not a “stereotypical” SEE where it would be obvious. That in itself was totally worth the money because I know what to work on.
    I was actually typed by WSS too. I was typed ILE. I could see p over j temperament but I read about cognitive styles and I don't think I am Causal-Determinist, though I might have to ask for more info from Casual-Determinists here. But anyway I do think I exhibit good amount of Fi too. I'm still about to check out DCNH system though. I surely don't care for ego-stroking, but I kinda need some solid reasoning for my type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aster View Post
    I was given a small type description. I’m not sure if it is exactly ‘personalized’. But I haven’t seen that exact description that he gave me for IEI-N in the book or on the website. They may give it to others in their conclusion that receive the same type. But it was accurate for me.

    in my case, when I sent in my video, I hadn’t been doing much research at the time on socionics (and hopefully forgot a lot) or read that much into DarkAngelFireWolf69/his book to where I understood +/- functions. And I didn’t want to do a refresher that way it wouldn’t have as much of an influence on what I said. Of course it could have some, because I do know the basic theory. But imo, you are better to go into it naive that way your answers won’t be as swayed... not that I’m saying you would, but I think if you know something it could be unconscious. And then read more about his theory, the book etc. afterward to see if you think it matches. Of course, it’s up to you, but that would just be my advice

    I saw the SEE guy who thought he was SLI. I thought he seemed clearly base ,IMO. He didn’t look very happy about it

    of course I agree it’s impossible to get everyone right.
    lol I got really excited to see another SEE but he’s too entrenched in western typology and doesn’t get the DCNH system yet and he hasn’t had time to investigate Model G, although somehow I think he would actually take the time to learn it. He’s unhappy but he’s quite rational about it, which is where the Te kicks in. He’s very sturdy and assertive, sharp, articulate, and all that time he was giving off Se cues just like me. I knew me and him are the same type when I watched his moves. I replied to him to give a sort of explanation but I doubt it makes any difference. I’ve watched a few of his MBTI videos before and he was throwing Fe all over the place, acting crazy Ne, etc. But that review video shows his true self, he’s very controlled and assertive. You watch my review video and I’m a candyass

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    I was given a small type description. I’m not sure if it is exactly ‘personalized’. But I haven’t seen that exact description that he gave me for IEI-N in the book or on the website. They may give it to others in their conclusion that receive the same type. But it was accurate for me.

    in my case, when I sent in my video, I hadn’t been doing much research at the time on socionics (and hopefully forgot a lot) or read that much into gulenko/his book to where I understood +/- functions. And I didn’t want to do a refresher that way it wouldn’t have as much of an influence on what I said. Of course it could have some, because I do know the basic theory. But imo, you are better to go into it naive that way your answers won’t be as swayed... not that I’m saying you would, but I think if you know something it could be unconscious. And then read more about his theory, the book etc. afterward to see if you think it matches. Of course, it’s up to you, but that would just be my advice

    I saw the SEE guy who thought he was SLI. I thought he seemed clearly base ,IMO. He didn’t look very happy about it

    of course I agree it’s impossible to get everyone right.
    Hm, yeah that makes sense. I'll mull it over then. I am checking out famous people's typing on his site to learn more how to type myself, but I guess it would be better if I get to ask for his opinion first. I surely wouldn't rig the test or anything but I guess knowing more might affect me subconsciously. I'm pretty much sleep-deprived recently though, I'll fix my sleep schedule first just so when I make a video I'll be in a clear state of mind lol.

    Yeah that's the vid I saw too. I actually knew his channel and have watched his videos. I'd say Fe polr is unlikely. He even has random videos of him dressing up as a girl and seducing/poking fun at typologists. He mentioned he has said a lot of things related to comfort and internal state, but seems like Gulenko saw past that.

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    I was actually typed by WSS too. I was typed ILE. I could see p over j temperament but I read about cognitive styles and I don't think I am Causal-Determinist, though I might have to ask for more info from Casual-Determinists here. But anyway I do think I exhibit good amount of Fi too. I'm still about to check out DCNH system though. I surely don't care for ego-stroking, but I kinda need some solid reasoning for my type.
    I totally understand where you’re coming from. Western take on socionics is very MBTIish with the dichotomies but that’s not how a person’s type is determined for socionics. It’s about where the functions are placed in the stack. I think due to language barrier, DarkAngelFireWolf69 wouldn’t go into detail to explain in depth and the person is left to their own devices to do the legwork to connect the info on themselves. This was the exciting and fun part for me! After that, I moved on to accurately typing my family and friends (some stayed the same type but some drastically changed). My mom is SEE-D (elevated Te and Fe) and originally I thought she’s LSE which wouldn’t make sense cuz she’s a powerhouse and is very direct with confrontations whereas LSE avoids such methods. Then I thought my dad was LSI or SLI and for a time I thought he’s SLI to be mirror to my mom as LSE but no, he’s really LSI-N. He supervises my mom and me!! So yeah, it’s a domino effect if you’re going into the process wide eyed and open minded. I just wanted to find my real type.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSJOpuTQk-0

    this SEE reminds me of a person that I can't remember right now. a shame that he mentions his type so soon because I want to know if I come to the same conclusions. I just immediatly saw him as extrovert.
    saw this video as a youtube add on my phone just now. the guy reminds me a bit of that SEE

    https://youtu.be/9jMrVr6rk-w

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    Quote Originally Posted by one View Post
    I checked a few testimonial vids about Gulenko's typing in his channel. It comes off to me as if it's life changing. I don't know if clients are given a personalized type description, but if they were, is it really that accurate? I'm kinda thinking I should go get typed, but I'm still trying to improve my knowledge of socionics so I can be a good judge of his assessment of me. I think I only saw one who didn't agree on the typing so far, but to be fair I do think that with my limited knowledge he was typed correctly.
    It's really useful and informative. The assessment you're given has maybe one sentence in each section that could've been copy-pasted (at least comparing mine to other people's), but the rest of it is all based around what you said, or how your body language points to a certain type. He's pretty good at seeing through what you're saying and getting down to the cognition, too. So if you say something that's contrary to how he types you, he explains the contradiction. It's very well-reasoned and you get the impression he does really take the time to watch each video carefully, which IMHO makes it worth the wait.
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