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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    @Ryan Have you send your second video?
    Not yet. I have yet to receive the second questionnaire.

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    Gulenko seems cool enough. I haven't got anything against him because he always seems very reasonable and understanding in his writing. The interactions and observations I've had with some of his students have made me think that a lot of the problems people have in these discussions are with them. They seem quite obsessive about socioics and try to explain too much with it. Gulenko's book explicitly says not to take socionics too seriously, so it doesn't seem like he promotes this sort of thing. But like all self help gurus, he seems to attract a strange bunch.

    Worst I can say about Gulenko himself is that he is out of touch with western cultural changes. He has weird descriptions that say certain types appear "African" and is not very good at identifying people with outside the norm gender presentation (myself and at least one other person were referred to incorrectly in his reports). He's an old man in the Ukraine so it's to be expected to some extent, but maybe that drives home the point that if the guy doesn't understand basic things about you, you shouldn't take his observations so seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangerouslandsvape View Post
    Worst I can say about Gulenko himself is that he is out of touch with western cultural changes. He has weird descriptions that say certain types appear "African" and is not very good at identifying people with outside the norm gender presentation (myself and at least one other person were referred to incorrectly in his reports). He's an old man in the Ukraine so it's to be expected to some extent, but maybe that drives home the point that if the guy doesn't understand basic things about you, you shouldn't take his observations so seriously.
    Lol, in talanov's questionnaires, one of the unchanged statements is : In general, I am a "niggas" in life. Whats wrong with russian, ukrainian socionics theorists.

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    Because I swear I read someone further back in the thread mention that G. aptly inferred things about them they had never mentioned in their typing video, here's this quaint interview with our Viktor Vladimirovich from 2001 and it seems he's been pulling that trick for at least 20 years. Auto-translate More things he was saying back in 2001:
    - a person's type can be indentified at 6 (if not before. he was working with children at the time)
    - it takes him about 10 minutes in an interview to identify a person's type
    - there are actually 64 (sub)types
    - extroverted intuitives are the ones behind important inventions
    - duality doesn't have to be the best ITR.


    http://www.socionics.org/theory/load...int_gulen.html
    Sicuramente cercherai il significato di questo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusal View Post
    Because I swear I read someone further back in the thread mention that G. aptly inferred things about them they had never mentioned in their typing video, here's this quaint interview with our Viktor Vladimirovich from 2001 and it seems he's been pulling that trick for at least 20 years. Auto-translate More things he was saying back in 2001:
    - a person's type can be indentified at 6 (if not before. he was working with children at the time)
    - it takes him about 10 minutes in an interview to identify a person's type
    - there are actually 64 (sub)types
    - extroverted intuitives are the ones behind important inventions
    - duality doesn't have to be the best ITR.


    http://www.socionics.org/theory/load...int_gulen.html
    It's interesting that you note it as a trick. It certainly creates a kind of allure, even though it's probably based on his heuristics of people of the same type.

    EDIT: @Rusal thanks for the article. That was enlightening.
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    Hi, I saw there is some old members still around here, don't know if they will remember me since I was never really active, anyway at least for the data :


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    I self-type myself LII-H, i remember having been typed different introverted types here, mainly IxTx (and ILE too).
    This typing by Viktor Gulenko is interesting, because I didn't consider myself a sensor type.
    The harmonizing subtype was playing a big part on that I guess (better balance of intuition and sensation in this subtype ?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by shining View Post
    This typing by Gulenko is interesting, because I didn't consider myself a sensor type.
    If you say why you didnt, it can enlighten us.

    Quote Originally Posted by shining View Post
    The harmonizing subtype was playing a big part on that I guess (better balance of intuition and sensation in this subtype ?).
    I think it depends on enhanced function in H: Ni, Si, Fi. Based on description, it seems like you have enhanced Ni, Si rather than Fi. So yeah I think you have balance in those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shining View Post
    Hi, I saw there is some old members still around here, don't know if they will remember me since I was never really active, anyway at least for the data :


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    I self-type myself LII-H, i remember having been typed different introverted types here, mainly IxTx (and ILE too).
    This typing by Viktor Gulenko is interesting, because I didn't consider myself a sensor type.
    The harmonizing subtype was playing a big part on that I guess (better balance of intuition and sensation in this subtype ?).
    Didn't? Did that change?

    From the description I don't think it implies you are more balanced by being the H subtype of LSI. Ironically it states a lost sense of harmony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    If you say why you didnt, it can enlighten us.



    I think it depends on enhanced function in H: Ni, Si, Fi. Based on description, it seems like you have enhanced Ni, Si rather than Fi. So yeah I think you have balance in those.
    Too much in my head (yes I know introverts are supposed to be more in their heads).
    Failure to see obvious stuff in environment (like some new portal standing on a side of the garage, a scenery atypical in a bar, failing to notice things generally, a lot later I discover things who were always there).
    I don't see myself Ne polr (comparing myself to 1D Ne, I don't feel upset by generation of possbilities, even if I don't pretend to be great at that), I see myself more likely Se polr (conflict avoidance, not enough reactive or too much reactive to aggression..., though in sports I am resistant that a lot, and i am decent at dexterity games).
    I think i have hardest time with gamma quadra , in ITR considering i didn't mistype them.
    LSI is supposed to be Ti+, implying a focus on excessive details and rules which I don't often care unless it's work related, and I don't tend to respect rules if they don't make sense to me and I can get away breaking them.
    I feel a bit physically ankward sometimes (posture, movements...)

    Though i kind of rejected sensation and feeling for a long time so it may have increased the predominance of intuition, a kind of Ti Ni grip.
    I have some other arguments for S types too but probably less, though this one above could be strong in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephilthoth View Post
    Didn't? Did that change?

    From the description I don't think it implies you are more balanced by being the H subtype of LSI. Ironically it states a lost sense of harmony.
    I am thinking about it.
    I am more drawn to the more cerebral and the dreamy vibe of Beta NF than Alpha SF, but I had the explanation that an LII can be more interested by those qualities too.
    Since a long time i am quite involved in Ni, but I am maybe not particularly great at it by myself, I often take external reference as inspiration to dig into Ni subjects.
    Lost sense of harmony on Ti - Fe axis maybe.
    Ti being disconnected from the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shining View Post
    I am thinking about it.
    I am more drawn to the more cerebral and the dreamy vibe of Beta NF than Alpha SF, but I had the explanation that an LII can be more interested by those qualities too.
    Since a long time i am quite involved in Ni, but I am maybe not particularly great at it by myself, I often take external reference as inspiration to dig into Ni subjects.
    Lost sense of harmony on Ti - Fe axis maybe.
    Ti being disconnected from the world.

    I personally don't know about other LSIs, but I am not the type of person who respects rules unless they make sense to me. If a rule seems unjust to me, I will rebel against it if I can't leave the environment in question where the rule(s) apply. Rebellion against an unjust system is pretty typical of beta quadra including LSIs, contrary to what general type descriptions of LSIs say about them being sticklers for rules. The general descriptions of the types were written mostly in the 1980s (or based on such material), and don't take into account new research in the realm of typology, which includes how the types are like. Indeed, Gulenko's general descriptions are themselves pretty bad and not up to date with the recent data taken from people who have been typed in more recent decades. Not trying to get off topic, but alot of people struggle with their typings because they don't relate to the general descriptions, which aeren't a very good basis (not saying that's what you're doing either, but it seemed like it to me).

    What you describe about being distracted from your immediate phsyical environment, in addition to introversion and the fact LSIs don't lead with sensing, could also be because of Ni or Ne accentuation.
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    Also, updated the list

    Echidna1000 EIE-N
    Confuz LSI
    Nanooka EIE C or N
    Varlawend ILI-H
    The Exception EIE-N
    Shotgunfingers LSI-H
    Aliengelic IEI-CN
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    Chakram LSI-N
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    Thegreenfaerie LSI-HD
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    Aster IEI-N
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    Mystery user EIE-N
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    Desert Financial ILI-C
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    Quote Originally Posted by ipbanned View Post
    The general descriptions of the types were written mostly in the 1980s (or based on such material), and don't take into account new research in the realm of typology, which includes how the types are like. Indeed, Gulenko's general descriptions are themselves pretty bad and not up to date with the recent data taken from people who have been typed in more recent decades. Not trying to get off topic, but alot of people struggle with their typings because they don't relate to the general descriptions, which aeren't a very good basis (not saying that's what you're doing either, but it seemed like it to me).
    Good job rehashing things I already said in other threads. And you're LSI-N, not LSI-C, update the list again.

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    in b4 @Ryan gets typed as a beta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    in b4 @Ryan gets typed as a beta.
    I'll bet Beta NF. EIE over IEI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    in b4 @Ryan gets typed as a beta.
    Oooh I want to guess

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    @Maromi is an ILI-N typed by Gulenko, he fakes being LII for whatever reason. Feel free to add him to the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipbanned View Post
    I personally don't know about other LSIs, but I am not the type of person who respects rules unless they make sense to me. If a rule seems unjust to me, I will rebel against it if I can't leave the environment in question where the rule(s) apply. Rebellion against an unjust system is pretty typical of beta quadra including LSIs, contrary to what general type descriptions of LSIs say about them being sticklers for rules. The general descriptions of the types were written mostly in the 1980s (or based on such material), and don't take into account new research in the realm of typology, which includes how the types are like. Indeed, Gulenko's general descriptions are themselves pretty bad and not up to date with the recent data taken from people who have been typed in more recent decades. Not trying to get off topic, but alot of people struggle with their typings because they don't relate to the general descriptions, which aeren't a very good basis (not saying that's what you're doing either, but it seemed like it to me).

    What you describe about being distracted from your immediate phsyical environment, in addition to introversion and the fact LSIs don't lead with sensing, could also be because of Ni or Ne accentuation.
    Yes it could be (and yes i am using type functions description). I feel neither focused on sensing and intuition, mostly on ideas (often inspired by intuitive types, sometimes by sensory types when it relates to more practical things like health), trying to gain some understanding about things, not really producing ideas myself like could be expected of an intuitive i guess.
    Harmonizing subtype is making the most sense for accentuation of Ni and Fi, considering LSI type.


    Though, on the subtype description of LSI by Victor Gulenko https://socioniks.net/en/article/?id=224, there is quite a lot I don't recognize myself on, actually I recognize myself more for other IxTx of Normalising or Harmonizing subtypes :
    "Choosing food.
    He rarely puts things in order on his own territory.
    He values things primarily from their aesthetic side.
    Bad organizer, albeit ambitious.
    Provides small services, is helpful and useful.
    Due to lengthy procedures, he tends to be late for events."


    Functions I relate more between LII and LSI based on description of this same website https://socioniks.net/article/?id=132 and https://socioniks.net/article/?id=134 :


    Si LII > Si LSI
    Se LII > Se LSI
    Ni LII = Ni LSI
    Ne LII < Ne LSI
    Ti LII = Ti LSI
    Te LII < Te LSI
    Fi LII > Fi LSI
    Fe LII < Fe LSI


    LII > LSI on S functions description, could be LII-N (Ti Si accentuation)
    LSI > LII on N functions description, could be LSI-H (Ni Fi accentuation)




    Part of the diagnostic of Victor Gulenko about S / N :


    "Michael loves to exercise. He enjoys running every day."
    It makes me feel better, not sure it gives strong inclination toward S or N, i have done some weightlifting but stopped after a few months, i will retry very soon but I don't know if i have the motivation for that.


    "I think he could do repair work, too. Perhaps he doesn't always want to do it, and those around him may consider him lazy."
    I guess I could like everyone if not the choice.


    "Michael knows how to cook, understands the combination of different foods, which is more common for sensory people."
    Cooking basic fruits and vegetables with some meat don't seem complicated, I don't know if it is for some, though I am not enjoying cooking (and other chores).

    "Although he is not very orderly in everyday life, he is nevertheless good at remembering the arrangement of things in space and understands what order is. This particular type of control over the environment characterizes just people with sensorics."
    When it is my stuff yes i remember well if something have been moved, other people stuff i barely notice though (if i first noticed their stuffs).


    "Logic with sensing gives the technical and managerial setup for the activity."


    It doesn't seem to be enough to say I am S types, so I guess he perceived me LSI by non verbal, just backed by those very limited sensory manifestations.


    I received questions what kind of dreams do you have and how do you remember information ?


    - I almost never remember my dreams since a very long time, from what I remember some kind of superhero fighting villains and then gaining recognition, when I was a kid It was dark more nightmare than dream because I watched too much dark movies and TV shows.
    - Mostly audibly, repeating myself the information i want to remember.
    I visualise almost nothing, my mind is a void outside of thoughts.


    Some "random" thoughts :
    - I enjoy fictional extreme violence when it is the "nice" guys who punish / eliminate the bad guys (the punisher, spartacus, banshee, the boys, dexter...).
    - I enjoy heavy Ni movies and TV shows too (like Hannibal).
    - I enjoy beta music the most, but considering it's by far the biggest quadra in the entertainment, I don't know if it says much.
    - In thoughts, I have radical ideas of punishment for bad people, even making them disappear seems fine to me if it is necessary to make the world a better place.
    I don't know if those anecdotes make sense for LII.
    - I want to believe to be able to stand by my principles or ideas against very threatening conditions even if it means I would likely die earlier as a result, that's mostly the strenght to endure a lot of pain the questionning, because not much to think or feel once dead anyway.
    - I am interested to know where things are heading, I appreciate people talking about prophecies even if i am a bit skeptical about their realisations, like this one who though connects with current times : http://www.syti.net/Prophetie.html.
    This website is very Ni overall.
    - I enjoy competitive games (most of my video games played were competitive, younger FPS then Dota 2, then now mostly board games and card games), which is the use of Se in a regulated context.


    There is a decent amount of argument for valued Se/Ni here but is Se really ego ?
    Considering what I said before about my lack of observation but like you said @ipbanned maybe it's just accentuation of Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shining View Post
    Some "random" thoughts :
    - I enjoy fictional extreme violence when it is the "nice" guys who punish / eliminate the bad guys (the punisher, spartacus, banshee, the boys, dexter...).
    - I enjoy heavy Ni movies and TV shows too (like Hannibal).
    - I enjoy beta music the most, but considering it's by far the biggest quadra in the entertainment, I don't know if it says much.
    Yeah !! ("extreme violence" aside) I bet you like Steven Seagal movies !

    - In thoughts, I have radical ideas of punishment for bad people, even making them disappear seems fine to me if it is necessary to make the world a better place.
    That's what I call a Batman fantasy. I have those too but it's very rare. That reflects a certain sense of justice and a desire to defend the widow and the orphan.

    I don't know if those anecdotes make sense for LII.
    - I want to believe to be able to stand by my principles or ideas against very threatening conditions even if it means I would likely die earlier as a result, that's mostly the strenght to endure a lot of pain the questionning, because not much to think or feel once dead anyway.
    We all have our limits. People who are actually able to resist the "question" are exceptionally rare. All this mindset is not very LII imho, that's more Rambo than Columbo

    - I am interested to know where things are heading, I appreciate people talking about prophecies even if i am a bit skeptical about their realisations, like this one who though connects with current times : http://www.syti.net/Prophetie.html.
    This website is very Ni overall.
    That's Typical of LSI's Ni. LII are not interested in Ni stuff, they just do it. Furthermore, the "prophetic/Mystical" view of Ni is more of an LSI "need" so to speak (maybe it was a Beta thing in general ?). LII are far from this particular side of Ni.

    - I enjoy competitive games (most of my video games played were competitive, younger FPS then Dota 2, then now mostly board games and card games), which is the use of Se in a regulated context.
    There is a decent amount of argument for valued Se/Ni here but is Se really ego ?
    I think it is a fair question. Do you have reasons to believe otherwise ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by godslave View Post
    Yeah !! ("extreme violence" aside) I bet you like Steven Seagal movies !
    He acted in some great action movies yes !

    I think it is a fair question. Do you have reasons to believe otherwise ?
    Everything I just said above is mostly mental, maybe like you said less likely to have such thoughts from LII.
    I lack attention to environment overall, and not doing much manual activities.
    But maybe due to Harmonizing subtypes like @ipbanned said.
    All that, + Victor Gulenko typing, considering he had not that much input on the N/S dichotomies from the verbal, I guess he has had some important visual cues, recognizing LSI patterns.
    So I am beginning to think that LSI type make more sense.

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    Numbers!

    LSI 12
    EIE 10
    ILI 5
    IEI 4
    SLE 4
    SEE 1
    IEE 1
    ILE 1
    LII 1

    Fun facts:

    39 people got typed as of now.
    9/16 types are represented.
    Top 5 types make up 89.7% of forum people typed.
    Top 5 types are the only ones that are represented in multiples.
    All beta quadra types are represented among top 5, plus ILI.
    Beta rationals make up a majority of forum people typed (22/39 or 56.4%)
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    Most common activity orientation is technical-managerial 16/39 (41%, inspector, marshall), followed by humanitarian-artistic 15/39 (38.46%, mentor, lyric, advisor), then expert-researching 7/39 (17.9%, critic, analyist, seeker)) and finally social-communicative 1/39 (2.5%, politician).
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    By dichotomies:

    statics 20 > dynamics 19
    introversion 22 > extroversion 17
    sensing 20 > intuition 19
    logic 23 > ethics 16
    rationality 23 > 16
    ascending 32 > descending 7
    central 36 > peripheral 3
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    The central to peripheral ratio makes a lot of sense.
    Just on the border of your waking mind,
    There lies another time
    Where darkness and light are one,
    And as you tread the halls of sanity
    You feel so glad to be unable to go beyond

    I have a message from another time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipbanned View Post
    Numbers!

    LSI 12
    EIE 10
    ILI 5
    IEI 4
    SLE 4
    SEE 1
    IEE 1
    ILE 1
    LII 1

    Fun facts:

    39 people got typed as of now.
    9/16 types are represented.
    Top 5 types make up 89.7% of forum people typed.
    Top 5 types are the only ones that are represented in multiples.
    All beta quadra types are represented among top 5, plus ILI.
    Beta rationals make up a majority of forum people typed (22/39 or 56.4%)
    These are sincerely cool and pretty interesting.
    Thank you for posting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    The central to peripheral ratio makes a lot of sense.
    Nope

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipbanned View Post
    Numbers!

    LSI 12
    EIE 10
    ILI 5
    IEI 4
    SLE 4
    SEE 1
    IEE 1
    ILE 1
    LII 1

    Fun facts:

    39 people got typed as of now.
    9/16 types are represented.
    Top 5 types make up 89.7% of forum people typed.
    Top 5 types are the only ones that are represented in multiples.
    All beta quadra types are represented among top 5, plus ILI.
    Beta rationals make up a majority of forum people typed (22/39 or 56.4%)
    Everyone has biases which are hard for them, themselves, to see. If we could see our own biases, we'd probably die out as a species.

    Isn't Gulenko's wife LSI? Or am I misremembering this?

    For a while, I typed half the new people here as ESI. Lol. I wonder why I did that? Was I seeing what I wanted to see?

    Fortunately, I don't have an axe to grind here, and 98% of the time, my typings of newcomers were changed by other people. It's a good thing that my livelihood didn't depend on my being "right".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Everyone has biases which are hard for them, themselves, to see. If we could see our own biases, we'd probably die out as a species.

    Isn't Gulenko's wife LSI? Or am I misremembering this?

    For a while, I typed half the new people here as ESI. Lol. I wonder why I did that? Was I seeing what I wanted to see?

    Fortunately, I don't have an axe to grind here, and 98% of the time, my typings of newcomers were changed by other people. It's a good thing that my livelihood didn't depend on my being "right".
    Gulenko's wife is EIE if I recall correctly.
    It could be biases; Or it could be that this forum is massively populated by beta types, and/or that beta types are more likely to be willing to pay to get typed by Gulenko.

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    I have heard EIE also.
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    I kinda hesitated to post these numbers because I knew the whole "Gulenko types too many betas" thing would come up. I don't really want to get into this debate, with anyone, sorry. It's pretty unproductive, I just thought the numbers were interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    Everyone has biases which are hard for them, themselves, to see. If we could see our own biases, we'd probably die out as a species.

    Isn't Gulenko's wife LSI? Or am I misremembering this?

    For a while, I typed half the new people here as ESI. Lol. I wonder why I did that? Was I seeing what I wanted to see?

    Fortunately, I don't have an axe to grind here, and 98% of the time, my typings of newcomers were changed by other people. It's a good thing that my livelihood didn't depend on my being "right".
    I should have said that it's a good thing that my livelihood doesn't depend on my being right about my guesses as to someone's Socionics type.*

    My criticism of Gulenko's oddly skewed typings is based on an Upton Sinclair quote.

    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

    This may or may not apply to Gulenko, but when your salary or your reputation depends on you being "right" about something that is essentially unprovable, then it is not in your interest to admit the possibility that you are wrong, especially if you are wrong because of biases which you can't even see.

    Furthermore, when something is unprovable, then there really is no "wrong".

    Sorry if I didn't explain that well enough in my first post on this sad topic.

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    I do use my typings of people to improve the interactions I have with the people I work with. Once I learned about Socionics, my income went up considerably. This might have been due to an increased ability to understand what other people want and what they are willing to do to get it, or it might be due to luck.
    Since we can't repeat the experiment, there is no way to tell why this happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ipbanned View Post
    I kinda hesitated to post these numbers because I knew the whole "Gulenko types too many betas" thing would come up. I don't really want to get into this debate, with anyone, sorry. It's pretty unproductive, I just thought the numbers were interesting.
    They ARE interesting, for many reasons. I think it is very, very hard to collect data and to draw sound conclusions from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    They ARE interesting, for many reasons. I think it is very, very hard to collect data and to draw sound conclusions from it.
    That's true. It is. Data is always something to point in a certain direction, not anything absolute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ipbanned View Post
    I have heard EIE also.
    EIE wife and kids are LSI and EIE (wikisocion).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northstar View Post
    Nope
    It makes a lot more sense for people who see entity X as being "more right" (in this case, Gulenko is entity X) to pay 100-120 dollars for a typing than it does for people who see all viewpoints as more or less valid. Is there something I'm missing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lore View Post
    These are sincerely cool and pretty interesting.
    Thank you for posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    It makes a lot more sense for people who see entity X as being "more right" (in this case, Gulenko is entity X) to pay 100-120 dollars for a typing than it does for people who see all viewpoints as more or less valid. Is there something I'm missing?
    When it comes to the scope of Model G, Gulenko is the one who defined the model, but having read his book of type descriptions, I don't think he's always applying it correctly. It's like his type descriptions and function breakdowns are detached from his typing methodology.

    When it comes to socionics in general, I don't think there's one authority, and it's not useful to have one because in the end it's just a way of giving names to things we all see in people. Everyone categorizes people, just without using the terminology of socionics.

    In my opinion, all models of human personality currently existing are wrong, they're just wrong in different degrees and about different things. The reality is infinitely more complex than what these simple models account for. They can be useful for sure, but too many things attributed to type are just random genetic traits that don't neatly form coherent clusterings around a single type.

    That being said, I think Gulenko's statistics smell like a systemic bias. Obviously there's biased sampling to begin with and he's done some correct typings as well, but there's some kind of methodological bias in there. Also the central/peripheral skew thing is something I just don't see any logical reason for, Ne/Si seems common in my experience so Gulenko might be culturally biased. Without any actual statistical research on type distribution it's just a bunch of opinions and personal anecdotes.

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