Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
I'm just giving the details, they matter. The main point was that betas are by nature collectivist authoritarians regardless of political affiliation. One is like that in the family, at work and so on. I consider the group, don't like to make exceptions from the system, authority matters and it cannot be arbitrary aka Ti-Fe > Fi-Te ... Se-Ni > Si - Ne.
Well that wasn't my main point. Reinin describes beta/Delta as authoritarian and Alpha/Gamma as Democratic. And I haven't found that to be the case after typing people I know well and have typed well. My typings aren't really in question either. I wish you would just stick to criticism of what's said and not make this about something it's not.

I don't see how trying to determine what ideology has more value has anything to do with this. DarkAngelFireWolf69 is a clinical psychologist and sociologist with 30 years experience in Socionics, trained by Aušra Augustinavičiūtė e_e the founder of socionics, works at the International Institute of Socionics in Kiev in the Ukraine. In as far as the theory is concerned, within the limitations of it's structure, DarkAngelFireWolf69 IS the most credible authority.
It had nothing to do with DarkAngelFireWolf69. You're just a turd if you think Stalin is when he was a murderous asshole who ruthlessly took power and ruled over the USSR killing anybody he didn't like or disagreed with or anyone that posed a risk to his power, only to have the USSR fall apart in a short amount of time regardless. He was a SHIT leader.

I'm pretty sure we aren't ignoring it.
Well then why does no one ever talk about it? Show me where a conversation about it wasn't overshadowed by people saying Jung is different than socionics or that socionics is information metabolism or just that socionics is just different for whatever reason. I bet you can't.

That line of reasoning makes no sense. I am not qualified to determine ppl's type, which is why I went to get typed by DarkAngelFireWolf69. I doubt other ppl here are qualified either, they do weird things like mistake PolR for base function., that is all.
Then you also aren't qualified to assume other people can't type just because "you doubt" they can. That is all.

Address the issues, deviating into ad hominem is pointless.
When you stop missing every point I make every time I try and communicate with you, I'll stop seeing you as somebody with a stick up their ass.

I don't see why or how understanding or caring about specific individuals or not affects the validity of my arguments.
Of course you wouldn't understand that genuinely getting to know people might actually give you a real understanding of their problems, or even better their "type". Because you don't type people, you let DarkAngelFireWolf69 do that for you.