I mean politics, I doubt is type-related. I have an SEI family member that is diehard conservative and she really hates democrats and politically stereotypes everything and all that stuff and gets mad and sad and shit about it; and I kind of think that is pretty stupid to begin with. But having a political mindset of putting things into designations and groups and such could be related to Ti. But then again Delta's are supposed to like authoritarian stuff and doing that as well, while Alpha isn't, yet my SEI family member does. So *shrug*HOWEVER I don't know any Deltas who are as political as I am or any SLI who would smash a door to pieces in an adrenaline filled fit of rage induced by conflict.
e_e they always seem so zen and chill by comparison and I was never any of that. I can come off as SEI when ppl interact with me, but that stuff is just a mask to keep me safe and they seem bewildered when I tun on dime, because I dint's like something they did, thought or whatever.
Rage, depends. I've had rage more when younger. I was nurtured to be aggressive by my parents because that's how they made it through life, but that was kind of lame way to live and eventually I stopped caring. Now when I have aggression or rage, it is more genuine and purposeful, so not so negative anymore. Negative emotions can be powerful. But I think people mellow out as they get older and wiser and when they get used to accepting and dealing with a certain level of frustration from life. Some people are better at it than others though. Some people have a more natural calm, but I think everybody has to deal with these things, regardless of type.
I have an SLE-Ti stepfather who is not a type 8. He has elements of 3, 2, 7, and 9. I think he's probably 397. I don't really understand the idea that Se is about aggression and being pushy or something like socionics says. I think that is just type 8 enneagram behavior, which might be more often correlated with say Se and Te or even Fe to some extent, but it's not a must.So I think LSI works in my case for sure, if not some weird introverted SLE, but I highly doubt it as I'm neither that Se nor a type 8.
Could be. I think SLI are more people of action, whereas ILE are more people of novelty. Ne doesn't sound like you though based on your thoughts about materialism and you do seem, no offense, to have an aversion to alternate possibilities and such.EDIT: well IF not, then I'm a weird SLI or ILE who is still type 6, still against the system and still think 90% of ppl are retarded.
But thanks for responding. I think I might leave the forum and stop thinking about this stuff, since it seems I'm getting nowhere with it now and as I get older I think I adopt many different ways of being that I use to blend in, making type a rather meaningless designation to me...it all seems incredibly relative, a too precise mathematics of constantly trying to frame ever-changing dualistic aspects of personality. Yeah, I think I'm done.
I think I need more time to think about this, though.
I think some people misunderstand what approach I'm taking. I can't speak for others, but personally, when people say it should be about self-discovery, I feel this kind of feedback from a professional is part of the process. To type oneself, one needs to know both oneself and socionics. But how do you link the two together? That seems to be the tricky part for people on the forum, myself included. Most people can't really apply the theory, and if they do, they too often get it wrong. Professionals are not infalliable either, Gulenko included (Einstein as an ILI is so wrong imo, as he was clearly an ILE). That being said, their typings are not arbitrary and based on whim, I take G' analysis of me seriously because I can tell he put work into it. The main problem might be, as was said by @lkdhf qkb, that Gulenko doesn't know the interviewee well enough. I felt Gulenko asked the right questions though. But the work of a professional is not do self-discovery for you (not that self-discovery stops at a type anyways) but to help apply their own theories, which they developped, to your own self-discovery. I think what I mean is this: you need both to listen to yourself and to someone competent who you trust, they are complementary, not mutually exclusive.
That said, I don't fully know what I think at this point. I need more time. But since I've typed as LIE, EIE, and ESI, LSI isn't crazy.
What good is a book that does not even transport us beyond all books?
Sometimes it annoys people because I do not take sides quickly enough, in a debate, or I'll just say I don't know, because I need more time to think about it. Alot of people like this quality though, I sense.Body language and function of structural logic. Structural logic is often manifested in
communication through the emotion of doubt. When in doubt, a person compares
different data and draws a conclusion based on the direction in which the bowl of scales
is leaning. Structural thinking is always dichotomous; it necessarily brings both
arguments for and against. And in the first and second interviews with [my name] there are
many examples where he shows the facial expressions of doubt associated with the
analysis of all available information about his psyche.
And thanks, I appreciate it. : )Originally Posted by Consilience
What good is a book that does not even transport us beyond all books?
anyway, whatever gulenko decides I’ll prob stick with it. all you naysayers can kiss my rear
I was brutally honest in my 2nd video, especially(sent it in last night). I think I have an idea what I’m going to get at this point.
curious if I’m right
lol good luck aster
listening to mozart, reading dostoevsky, watching tarkovsky films, all these artists had a huge influence on my life. I feel like I said what I wanted to say about your potential type.
not sure if I'm going to stick around on this website but you were one of the more interesting people on here.
What we need is an actual marker point to judge everything off of for socionics on this forum. And what would be better than someone well known who has spent a significant amount of time and effort with semi-new but still grounded ideas to do this.
Suspiria made a very long and prolific typing thread here with a very astute and thorough self-analysis where he finalized himself as IEI at the end of it. Same with people like thegreenfaerie, who spent lots of time collecting impressions of herself from various people and self-analyzing.
I feel like if members are being pressured to just defect to Gulenko’s typing with the belief that “a professional is always better/right”, it’s almost like they’re being told to gaslight themselves and others.
Also this is a discussion forum, and it kills a lot of discussion hence the entire point of this forum.
Source: https://socioniks.net/article/?id=17Beta quadra - the quadra of central collectivists, is characterized by public (state) property combined with authoritarian power. This combination allows large territories to be united and kept under single control for a long time.
Beta necessarily maintains a strict hierarchy of seniors and vassals, or, in modern parlance, a rigid management vertical. For the first time, we find a detailed justification of the necessity and main functions of the state from beta positions in the famous "Leviathan" by T. Hobbes. The philosopher argues that the state, like the sea monster Leviathan, should cause fear and awe among its subjects. Beta types are thus the most pronounced and consistent statists. Quadra Beta can rightfully be considered a quadra of troubles and revolutions. Only she effectively acts in extreme crisis conditions, without losing cohesion and organization.
The most quarrelsome types of people are concentrated in the Beta quadra. To keep them together, you need a strong patriarchal family, consisting of several generations living under one roof, guided by the firm hand of its head. This is the natural organization of family life for lower-class beta people.
However, it is wrong to think that the Second Quadra cannot exist without despotism. The ideal of government in the Second Quadra is an enlightened monarch. In Plato, as you know, philosophers should have ruled the state. In ancient times, this ideal was embodied in Marcus Aurelius, who was not only a successful emperor, but also a talented philosopher.
Over the years of being active and political I have slowly gravitated towards this as the only viable solution for very good reasons, I don't even like democracy :/.. imo its the dumbest thing, even ppl in the past understood this. A ship needs a qualified and trained captain and crew, not random businessman with money and lying idiots who answer to lobbyists.
I'm more of a authoritarian bastard, I like proper qualified and effective authority, power is a tool to be wielded for the benefit of the collective, without sacrificing the individual. EDIT: even within the family, I contribute financially and otherwise to the well functioning of my family, I sacrifice for my brother and do my part. I try not to step out of line where it would hurt us, but I step on ppl's toes if they become a threat. Its a kind of us vs them, follow the chain of command and do your part / there will be no snowflake exceptions.
You typing him SLE doesen't make him SLE, he could be anything lmao. I don't type ppl I know because my opinion is BS.I have an SLE-Ti stepfather who is not a type 8. He has elements of 3, 2, 7, and 9. I think he's probably 397. I don't really understand the idea that Se is about aggression and being pushy or something like socionics says. I think that is just type 8 enneagram behavior, which might be more often correlated with say Se and Te or even Fe to some extent, but it's not a must.
I'm Ne PolR and type 6. I prefer one good option and certainty, rather than guessing games.Could be. I think SLI are more people of action, whereas ILE are more people of novelty. Ne doesn't sound like you though based on your thoughts about materialism and you do seem, no offense, to have an aversion to alternate possibilities and such.
Or you could get typed and benefit, IF you want to. Wasting time and effort trying to guess yourself for years is unproductive tbh and costs more than you know (there, have some Te). Idk why get upset, this is constructive feedback common sense Ti.But thanks for responding. I think I might leave the forum and stop thinking about this stuff, since it seems I'm getting nowhere with it now and as I get older I think I adopt many different ways of being that I use to blend in, making type a rather meaningless designation to me...it all seems incredibly relative, a too precise mathematics of constantly trying to frame ever-changing dualistic aspects of personality. Yeah, I think I'm done.
I'd be curious if anyone would get typed by more than one typists if they'd come to the same conclusion or how their reasoning would differ.
All hail to Gulenko.
I just want to remind to the forum that this is not the first time that people seek out for a professional typing, other past or still active members have done the same, not necessarily with Gulenko, and some of them have even come here to question their professional typing, 'cause want it or not, they sensed something else.
So don't condemn this forum for being shallow and stupid about typing, when there are actually valid members that have spent years when not decades immersed in socionics, and sometimes what they say might just come out as a stereotype, but that's actually the sum of years of analysis and insight. Now you're praising Gulenko's lack of stereotypes, but I think that's just how he types too, according his set of rules and ideas, and of course he won't tell you " you look like Mr Ivanoshka from middle school whom I typed *Intfpj*, that's not professional, but tbh, analogy and parallels are a necessary step to type someone, and so are stereotypes.
They can be bad or good analysis or stereotypes, off or on spot, that's the main matter.
I'm sorry to say that I don't really like Gulenko's theories, and honestly I don't want to spend that much money to get typed by him, but I'd be curious to do that, and would really take his opinion on my type SERIOUSLY, but my own ideas will prevail, in the end, it's not a preconception, but I know I'll have to elaborate what he says before accepting it as a truth about me.
And even, I'd like to discuss my ideas about my type, and someone else's conclusions about my type, with someone, and not just accept whatever they think and say because "THEY'RE ABOVE ME!! THEY KNOW!", because I have no idea of how many times I went to doctors, psychologists, and other REAL professionals, just to, in the end, cure myself alone, that their remedies were worse than my conditions. Or they were just diagnosing something wrong.
In the realm of self discovery I think it's the communication to win over the divulgation. Where the first is an active exchange, and the second just a passive "trusting" activity, that we rely to someone else.
And it's really funny to see how most Ti valuing independent thinkers over here are relying their optimal function to someone else.
(other things are funny too but let's not delve too much... )
The results on my type are in!
Gulenko typed me IEI-N (Normalizing subtype)
Asters intuition determines her ethics. First she perceives or imagines a certain image, and then the feelings that form her attitude are incorporated. This is how the psyche of the irrationals (perceptive types) is organized.
The reverse alternation of functions would also result in a humanitarian, but ethical- intuitive type, which would not be distinguished by such tenderness and grace because of a more static and rational structure of the psyche.
In addition, Aster’s behavior is characterized by flexibility and adaptability. She was able to adapt to the difficult situation of raising four children, and each of them with its own difficulties in character. This temperament is weak in appearance, but nevertheless persistent over time is called receptive-adaptive in HS.”
”Aster’s deep values are the sense of justice, the need for a decent inspiration, the ability to take control in difficult life situations, faith in humanitarian ideals. Recurring images of her dreams are often gloomy and scary. Most of them are nightmares. Often they are symbolic. For example, a dream about falling from the sky hints at a collision of romantic vision and everyday reality in her life. These values, as well as displaced fears, belong to romantic-power beta quadra.”
Honestly, I don’t know what to say, but yes, it was the type I was expecting to be typed. Not at first, but after I watched my second video. And I figured there would be people who wouldn’t agree. And yes, some people have consider this type for me such as @thehotelambush and @mu4 after seeing a video I posted on here a few years ago. I did consider it for a time but a few people (not mentioning any names) basically bullied me out of considering it.
Seems OK, if it reflects your thinking style. People seem to type characters more than thinking which is not what this is really about. So it's a lot about adaptation and adaptation skills do not necessarily reflect type.
MOTTO: NEVER TRUST IN REALITY
Winning is for losers
Your life is too short to actually do anything useful with it without being wasteful.
Odds seem pretty long. But you know, when you start flipping coins, you can get four heads in a row.
And I remember I used to be fixated on the idea of you being SEI LOL. I take all that back now. It was just based on some really dumb reasoning about your aesthetic choices.
regardless, my sincere congratulations to all the (beta for now) people who have been willing to go through this experiment. I really admire your courage and your sharing, so thank you. if i could i'd try the same, but i have no money
and i think some of the ones typed here are spot on, maybe others are less, but who cares what i say, regardless, kudos ***