Gulenko's typings of forum members AKA Big G SquaD

[aster]

ILI dad with ESE mom doesn’t sound so bad but they would be in totally separate spheres. An ILI told me, “Gammas rip each other off so it’s ok. Just business.”

From what I understand, supervision is the most common for marriages. Your mom could be EIE and supervise your ILI dad. If she’s Fe lead, it’s a matter of determining where Se is for her, because ESEs are actually very strong with Se... they just address conflict in a dramatic but weird, jokey fighting way like Cardi B (it’s the Ne mob).

lol my dads been called a screwball well people might just be mad they have to pay him or aren’t feeling he is paying them enough...but yeah my parents don’t get along so great. I think they just stay married because dad is used to mom and she handles all his financial affairs and house work...and mom is financially reliant on dad. Things seemed to get worse after I moved out because I guess they didn’t have much reason to put up a farce of civility and now sleep in separate rooms. I didn’t have a bad upbringing though, if they are conflictors lol I think it’s more likely my mom is ESE>EIE

[Adam Strange]

lol my dads been called a screwball well people might just be mad they have to pay him or aren’t feeling he is paying them enough...but yeah my parents don’t get along so great. I think they just stay married because dad is used to mom and she handles all his financial affairs and house work...and mom is financially reliant on dad. Things seemed to get worse after I moved out because I guess they didn’t have much reason to put up a farce of civility and now sleep in separate rooms. I didn’t have a bad upbringing though, if they are conflictors lol I think it’s more likely my mom is ESE>EIE

My parents were Mirrors (LSE & SLI) and my father said that the sex stopped after the third child. Incredibly enough, he stayed faithful to her.

They wouldn't argue much, but they wouldn't talk much, either. My mother was always low-level angry at my dad for not taking her anywhere, but she complained more to her kids about this than to him, I think. I think I saw my SLI dad flare up at her for about ten seconds, two or three times in my life. But he'd immediately return to placid seas.

You don't have to be Conflictors to prefer sleeping in separate rooms.

[aster]

My parents were Mirrors (LSE & SLI) and my father said that the sex stopped after the third child. Incredibly enough, he stayed faithful to her.

They wouldn't argue much, but they wouldn't talk much, either. My mother was always low-level angry at my dad for not taking her anywhere, but she complained more to her kids about this than to him, I think. I think I saw my SLI dad flare up at her for about ten seconds, two or three times in my life. But he'd immediately return to placid seas.

You don't have to be Conflictors to prefer sleeping in separate rooms.

my dad hasn’t been faithful to my mom from the beginning, which is a large part of their problems. this last time was the last straw for my mom. I’m not sure how they were before, but my mom is pretty resentful. she tried to leave dad the first time, but times were different back then.

[Adam Strange]

^ whoa.

I can't imagine my parents cheating on each other.

I can't imagine me cheating on a partner. If my partner cheated, I think we'd be done. Period. No, wait. I know we'd be done.

I told my last GF that she wasn't the One, and I was dating other women, but I wasn't having sex with them, and if I did, I'd tell her right away so she could make other plans.

I don't know how screwed up that is, but at least it shows a little respect for the other person. I'm not lying to her. Not one bit.



After my divorce, I found a new GF fairly soon thereafter. I think my ex was pissed for some reason. Why, IDK. But I introduced her to a guy who seems to be a Dual IEE to her SLI, and she moved in with him last March.

About a week ago, she emailed me a link to a Zoom meeting, where she briefly wished me happy Holidays. I asked he what that was in the background. It looked like the material from a dress my mother used to wear. The pattern was large pink roses on a black background.
"It's wallpaper" she said. "I'm in the bedroom."
My first thought was, "Black wallpaper with pink roses in the bedroom? WTF?" My second thought was, "This must be her way of showing me that we're equal." Lol.

Tit for Tat.

[Lolita]

my dad hasn’t been faithful to my mom from the beginning, which is a large part of their problems. this last time was the last straw for my mom. I’m not sure how they were before, but my mom is pretty resentful. she tried to leave dad the first time, but times were different back then.

Welp. That’s certainly going to cause some instability. As for conflictors, I think that relation bears more of a repressed tension. With supervision, it’s outright, blatant conflict and there’s no denying the conflicts are inescapable.

I don’t know what my maternal grandparents are, considering my grandfather died young, long before I was born. He was known to carry on and had many affairs, but my granny (I think she’s SLE) was always tough and confrontational, went and chased off all the side women and raged at her husband but was very decidedly devoted to him. From what my mom said about her father, it sounds like he was LSI. They had a very long history, grew up in the same neighborhood and were teenage sweethearts and married at 17/18. The tragic part in all of this, my mom was a child and used to follow her mother to watch how her mother confronted all those women. My granny was not afraid to use violence against them. After he died, she stayed constant to his memory. But their lives were very “tumultuous,” the precise word my mom used. At any rate, it wasn’t ever directly talked about, the infidelities. My mom and her siblings all agreed that their mother literally “went insane” after her husband unexpectedly died so young (he was in the military). At that point, my mom was around 12 or 13, and she said she endured many years being at the receiving end of her mother’s narcissistic rage.

Contrast with my parents who are direct supervision (LSI-N and SEE-D) that they also grew up boy/girl next door and my mom was still a teenager when she married my dad who had barely graduated college. She married him to get away from the abuse she endured with her mother, and although my dad is exceedingly rigid and domineering towards her, he was faithful and dutiful, loved her in a suffocating, obsessive and violent way. She ran away from one abusive home straight to another. Despite all that, my mom to this day said she never regretted enduring my dad. She preferred to be beaten by him over her mother. She said she will always love him, because he’s dutiful and even though he didn’t do right by her, she said that she’s confident that he’ll always do right through me. Maybe my dad does try hard with me because he said I carry all the best traits of my mom and him.

Down the line, I’m SEE and looking at my relationships, the longest and best ones were with LSIs. They didn’t beat me but they definitely supervised me and loved me in the possessive and obsessive way that mirrored my parents. Sometimes I think we’re just wired to repeat the same thing that we grew up with because it’s unconscious, and no matter how much one tries to escape it, it’ll be there waiting for you on the other end.

[Northstar]

I can now attest to Gulenko getting at least one more typing right since he just concluded my typing and confirmed my self-typing was correct down to the DCNH subtype

In a way it was a waste of money because I didn't learn anything new and had no type doubts, but I'll take it as a confirmation from the author that I have understood and applied the Model G and DCNH theories correctly.

It's also nice to have an "expert opinion" that you in fact are able to accurately self type without outside help and aren't delusional about your own type, isn't it "ex-SLE" @Kiana ?

[Northstar]

For those that are interested, here are links to my videos

First video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWWeeeC3CR0

Second video after receiving new questions (this is the longest "main" video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK7_pW7xDII

Response to typing (they will post this on their website): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9cmXWeTXpo

[Lolita]

I can now attest to Gulenko getting at least one more typing right since he just concluded my typing and confirmed my self-typing was correct down to the DCNH subtype

In a way it was a waste of money because I didn't learn anything new and had no type doubts, but I'll take it as a confirmation from the author that I have understood and applied the Model G and DCNH theories correctly.

It's also nice to have an "expert opinion" that you in fact are able to accurately self type without outside help and aren't delusional about your own type, isn't it "ex-SLE" @Kiana ?

All that tells me is I’m right that you're a hypocrite. Oh boo boo you’re such a victim because you’ve buckled under pressure and sought validation from Gulenko just so you can brag about it. All that time you spent studying the information given in this thread about G’s process, SGF’s responses to info on Ti, and my responses on Se was not a waste since you used it in your typing videos. Congrats on being the SLE poster boy for delusional, narcissistic people who believe they can correctly self-analyze through you.

[Northstar]

All that tells me is I’m right that you're a hypocrite. Oh boo boo you’re such a victim because you’ve buckled under pressure and sought validation from Gulenko just so you can brag about it. All that time you spent studying the information given in this thread about G’s process, SGF’s responses to info on Ti, and my responses on Se was not a waste since you used it in your typing videos. Congrats on being the SLE poster boy for delusional, narcissistic people who believe they can correctly self-analyze through you.

Yeah these sour grapes made it worth spending the 120 bucks for Godlenko to tell me what I already knew, lmao.

[Subteigh]

A lot of amateur armchair psychology in this thread. In my professional opinion.

[BrightDemonSheep96]

A lot of amateur armchair psychology in this thread. In my professional opinion.

Let's slip into something more comfortable and lie on a sofa [ah, surprising double meaning] next to Freud.

[kingslayer]

For those that are interested, here are links to my videos

First video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWWeeeC3CR0

Second video after receiving new questions (this is the longest "main" video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK7_pW7xDII

Response to typing (they will post this on their website): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9cmXWeTXpo

Ok now I see the EP temp more... you seemed more ij in your old videos. You do however seem like a very heavy ji sub to me.

Sle ti 3

I'll accept my 122 through venmo

[Vex]

I can now attest to Gulenko getting at least one more typing right since he just concluded my typing and confirmed my self-typing was correct down to the DCNH subtype

In a way it was a waste of money because I didn't learn anything new and had no type doubts, but I'll take it as a confirmation from the author that I have understood and applied the Model G and DCNH theories correctly.

It's also nice to have an "expert opinion" that you in fact are able to accurately self type without outside help and aren't delusional about your own type, isn't it "ex-SLE" @Kiana ?

Very convenient how you didn't mention how you have mistyped numerous people who have also gotten typed by Gulenko. SGF as IEI (lol what), TGF as EII/Delta, and me as EIE (I already had thoughts I was introverted for a while, hence what moved me to get typed. There is no shame in that, especially given the dynamics before hand where I like many others were essentially pushed into a type). There are probably more mistypes if I took the time to think about it. Some of these typings you keep pushing to this day since you refuse to listen to anyone outside your own understanding when it comes to the structure, and when you are typed by someone, you are put into their structure which is an entire learning experience in itself. So no, you're not on the level Gulenko is or even of his students, don't act like it or put those under fire who have gotten typed and have admitted to learning something from it, which is in direct contrast to you and how you treat all of this and Gulenko's experience.

[inumbra]

Why do you @Kiana @Vex demand our conformity? Why do you demand N? Do you not know it is death? Liberate yourselves.

Someone telling you what you are cannot save you if you cannot understand it and find that conclusion yourself. You will remain as lost as you always were.

Gulenko cannot give anyone identity. He cannot resolve the challenge of the image triad for you.

He is not God.

[Vex]

Why do you @Kiana @Vex demand our conformity?

I've said multiple times that I don't care who gets typed and who doesn't. But guess who made a huge deal out of people being typed? Forumites. My sentiments regarding this have been buried over and over and over again since people complain about "authority" and "the system" not being how they want it to. Well, that's life. I didn't even make a thread announcing I got typed or anything like that. Just posted about it in the typology random thoughts thread. When I saw that @Reyne made this thread, it made my stomach churn because firstly I didn't want to be on a list like this (I do NOT see my typing as a trophy and I don't like the idea of a G gang), and secondly because I knew it was going to make a bunch of people on the forum freak out.

Why do you demand N? Do you not know it is death? Liberate yourselves.

I really don't understand this. I'm a C subtype. I'm just calling out hypocrisy in his post.

Someone telling you what you are cannot save you if you cannot understand it and find that conclusion yourself. You will remain as lost as you always were.

Gulenko cannot give anyone identity. He cannot resolve the challenge of the image triad for you.

Yup. I knew I was IEI. It's what I originally typed as here and that's why I got typed in the first place. I got tired of being pushed into EIE, but since they're mirrors, it makes sense on the surface. Overall, I agree someone can't give identity. There are people who have gone to Gulenko and disagreed because they get too absorbed in their own identity or view of themselves. Socionics doesn't even assign identity, so what I talk about though in my post isn't even about identity, and that wasn't even my reason for getting typed. Everything I talk about is for purely structural reasons. For a few, sure, they got typed for identity. Though most people who got typed by him just wanted to do it for funsies.

He is not God.

Yeah of course not. He is the most credible person in this field, though.

[Northstar]

Very convenient how you didn't mention how you have mistyped numerous people who have also gotten typed by Gulenko. SGF as IEI (lol what), TGF as EII/Delta, and me as EIE (I already had thoughts I was introverted for a while, hence what moved me to get typed. There is no shame in that, especially given the dynamics before hand where I like many others were essentially pushed into a type). There are probably more mistypes if I took the time to think about it. Some of these typings you keep pushing to this day since you refuse to listen to anyone outside your own understanding when it comes to the structure, and when you are typed by someone, you are put into their structure which is an entire learning experience in itself. So no, you're not on the level Gulenko is or even of his students, don't act like it or put those under fire who have gotten typed and have admitted to learning something from it, which is in direct contrast to you and how you treat all of this and Gulenko's experience.

I see you are treating my post as if every single typing of others I've made is correct. Of course not, nobody gets every typing correct. This was more about my self-typing supposedly being delusional (ha ha).

When it comes to the people you mention, you're reversing the timeline on SGF. Yes, he went on a wild ride of constantly changing typings including SLI, IEE, IEI, ILI and ILE before his Gulenko typing and my first ever suggestion was SLI, followed by Ni leading (more likely IEI) and then grudgingly ILE. If you refresh your memory, I was among the first to hail his LSI-H typing being a "stroke of genius" and have backed this typing ever since. I don't completely reject or accept any source of information, everyone has their good and bad moments. That's high-D Ti for you. In the case of TGF, yes I continue to doubt LSI and I don't think she even herself feels this to be correct. Fi leading type is still my opinion. As for you, EIE has always seemed like a better fit in my opinion, however IEI-Fe alternative is not in the category of "delusional" in my opinion as these impressions are based on online behavior and not videos.

All these typings are still opinions and I reject the idea that anyone's typing (including mine) here or even Gulenko's should be taken as absolute truths. Battle typing is an annoying but common feature of the forums that you just have to deal with, best thing to do is to remember that everyone is full of varying amounts of shit and the level of certainty someone has does not have anything to do with how correct they actually are.

[Sol]

When Gulenko was lesser corrupted by heresies he made not bad dichotomy test.
Later in 2003 with Talanov he made 8 functional test LoGit, which seems was abandoned.

[BrightDemonSheep96]

Gulenko is posessed. I think we need a self proclaimed NF to exorcise him back to purity. Spare no crosses and holy water.

[Vex]

I see you are treating my post as if every single typing of others I've made is correct. Of course not, nobody gets every typing correct. This was more about my self-typing supposedly being delusional (ha ha).

When it comes to the people you mention, you're reversing the timeline on SGF. Yes, he went on a wild ride of constantly changing typings including SLI, IEE, IEI, ILI and ILE before his Gulenko typing and my first ever suggestion was SLI, followed by Ni leading (more likely IEI) and then grudgingly ILE. If you refresh your memory, I was among the first to hail his LSI-H typing being a "stroke of genius" and have backed this typing ever since. I don't completely reject or accept any source of information, everyone has their good and bad moments. That's high-D Ti for you. In the case of TGF, yes I continue to doubt LSI and I don't think she even herself feels this to be correct. Fi leading type is still my opinion. As for you, EIE has always seemed like a better fit in my opinion, however IEI-Fe alternative is not in the category of "delusional" in my opinion as these impressions are based on online behavior and not videos.

All these typings are still opinions and I reject the idea that anyone's typing (including mine) here or even Gulenko's should be taken as absolute truths. Battle typing is an annoying but common feature of the forums that you just have to deal with, best thing to do is to remember that everyone is full of varying amounts of shit and the level of certainty someone has does not have anything to do with how correct they actually are.

I don't know what you mean by the bolded. All I was saying was that Gulenko is the most credible person alive (don't know why this is so controversial, but it's true), and for you or anybody else to imply that they're on the same level as Gulenko just because they were able to guess what type G would give them is ridiculous. Yeah, I think most people should be able to guess what type G would give them. At least this is what most of the people who have gotten typed have told me.

As for the underlined, yes, I remember that and we even discussed it in this thread iirc. I didn't understand why you went so cold towards G all of the sudden just because others were getting typed by him. That wasn't consistent in my point of view.

Battle typing is always going to be a thing on forums, I agree and have stated this. It's just the nature of typology forums for people to want to guess other's types, and it's true other people are full of crap. Places and fields like this attract people full of crap. But I still think people going to a "big shot" like G is a good opportunity for people to learn, and people shouldn't get so stuck in their ways or thinking since it's led Socionics to it's current state. That's all I have to say on that aspect.

Congrats on your typing, btw.

[Northstar]

I don't know what you mean by the bolded. All I was saying was that Gulenko is the most credible person alive (don't know why this is so controversial, but it's true), and for you or anybody else to imply that they're on the same level as Gulenko just because they were able to guess what type G would give them is ridiculous. Yeah, I think most people should be able to guess what type G would give them. At least this is what most of the people who have gotten typed have told me.

As for the underlined, yes, I remember that and we even discussed it in this thread iirc. I didn't understand why you went so cold towards G all of the sudden just because others were getting typed by him. That wasn't consistent in my point of view.

Battle typing is always going to be a thing on forums, I agree and have stated this. It's just the nature of typology forums for people to want to guess other's types, and it's true other people are full of crap. Places and fields like this attract people full of crap. But I still think people going to a "big shot" like G is a good opportunity for people to learn, and people shouldn't get so stuck in their ways or thinking since it's led Socionics to it's current state. That's all I have to say on that aspect.

Congrats on your typing, btw.

The bolded part meant that I didn't end up typing him IEI, it was just one of the suggestions for him given that he was difficult to type. Based on his typing report, I suppose even Gulenko didn't seem to think it was fully obvious given how much DCNH needed to influence it. I don't imply that I'm on Gulenko's level on socionics knowledge, he's a very good theorist and I have always given him credit for this.

As for "going cold" on Gulenko, it's a reaction to people thinking that while he's very good at developing the theory that it would translate into the best typing skills as well. He's not at all bad at typing, but neither is he infallible. I think this typing service for English speakers is pretty expensive given how little time is spent on it (length of the videos, no interview interaction and not a whole lot of analysis). This probably explains why some of the typings aren't correct imo. Some people are easier to type than others and those who weren't correctly typed might have gotten a better typing with more time spent on it.
I think the "lack of consistency" is that while I value his theoretics, I wasn't convinced of the correctness of his typings to the same degree that some were. It's again not treating him as a socionist as a monolith that is either great or bad at everything. Anyway, his typing matches are definitely higher than most people's and I'm not claiming I'm better at typing others than he is. But regarding my own type, I would not have considered him typing me something obviously wrong (say, SEI) to be correct despite his credentials. Having spent plenty of time on the subject I think my self-typing was and is objective. I'm old enough to not base any facet of my self-image on a socionics typing and my feelings don't enter into this analysis.

Yes, if you want to spend money on typing then Gulenko is not a bad choice. There isn't a lot of time spent on it but then again his method is efficient and time-saving. However, it's also much cheaper to just buy his book because all his methods are basically described there, including how to type people. It's recommended anyway because just being handed down your type isn't going to be very useful without having the whole suite of socionics knowledge. Though it's useful to start with as a point of reference.

[kingslayer]

When Gulenko was lesser corrupted by heresies he made not bad dichotomy test.
Later in 2003 with Talanov he made 8 functional test LoGit, which seems was abandoned.

I got SLE on test. mayhe hes right after all

[Sol]

As for "going cold" on Gulenko, it's a reaction to people thinking that while he's very good at developing the theory that it would translate into the best typing skills as well.

He's good in developing of doubtful hypotheses. Developing of a theory supposes its objective usefulness, what needs experimental proofs.
What is not bad is his texts about normal theory. As having base T he describes in clear way, what is especially important for novices.

As for the typing - one of experienced typers. But they have low typing matches between themselves and hence doubtful accuracy (mb ~50%) + his usage of strange theories what may additionally reduce the accuracy.
The main theory producer was Jung. He thought his type as LII, while had ILI. It's an example how theory and practice skills may correlate.

[Aramas]

All these beta typings... So many betas lol

[Alive]

All these beta typings... So many betas lol

socionics is a theory that mostly attracts Ni and Ti valuing types. gamma and delta is more oriented towards objective theories (Te).

[Uncle Ave]

All these beta typings... So many betas lol

socionics is a theory that mostly attracts Ni and Ti valuing types. gamma and delta is more oriented towards objective theories (Te).

To my knowledge, four people got ILI typings too, only one is on that list though. Varlawend, Uniden, Paranoia Agent, and Desert Financial.

[Aramas]

To my knowledge, four people got ILI typings too, only one is on that list though. Varlawend, Uniden, Paranoia Agent, and Desert Financial.

True but I think there were more betas. Maybe it just felt like it.

[aster]

Think Reyne might have ditched us. Looks like he might have deleted a bunch of posts and hasn’t been on for a while.

Maybe we could get a moderator to update the typings in OP? Whoever is a moderator now?
@Aylen @woofwoofl @DirectorAbbie @silke @mu4

[Alive]

To my knowledge, four people got ILI typings too, only one is on that list though. Varlawend, Uniden, Paranoia Agent, and Desert Financial.

ILI are also very interested in the theory because of base Ni. I think alpha, gamma and delta sensing types are probably the rarest.

[Uncle Ave]

True but I think there were more betas. Maybe it just felt like it.

No you're right beta was the most common.

[Uncle Ave]

Think Reyne might have ditched us. Looks like he might have deleted a bunch of posts and hasn’t been on for a while.

Maybe we could get a moderator to update the typings in OP? Whoever is a moderator now?
@Aylen @woofwoofl @DirectorAbbie @silke @mu4

I wouldn't count on him coming back for now, I agree a mod could update the thread's OP with the new typings.

[ooo]

@shotgunfingers LSI-H
@Ebony IEI-C
@Suspiria EIE-C
@Chakram LSI-N
@Paranoia Agent ILI-C
@thegreenfaerie LSI-H
@Uncle Ave LSI-C
@aster IEI-N
@justalitnerdxx IEI-H
@Kiana SEE-N
@aster's friend SLE
@Northstar SLE-C
@Varlawand ILI
@uniden ILI
@Desert Financial ILI

10 betas out of 15

[asd]

I think justalitnerd is EII-Ne.

[thehotelambush]

I think justalitnerd is EII-Ne.

I also think she is very clearly EII and not IEI. I wrote an analysis on my blog.

[SGF]

@shotgunfingers LSI-H
@Ebony IEI-C
@Suspiria EIE-C
@Chakram LSI-N
@Paranoia Agent ILI-C
@thegreenfaerie LSI-H
@Uncle Ave LSI-C
@aster IEI-N
@justalitnerdxx IEI-H
@Kiana SEE-N
@aster's friend SLE
@Northstar SLE-C
@Varlawand ILI
@uniden ILI
@Desert Financial ILI

10 betas out of 15

You forgot Viktor, he got SLE-H and someone else who got EIE-C, but I'm not sure its a good idea to mention here, because she strongly disagreed with the type she got.

[aster]

someone else who got EIE-C, but I'm not sure its a good idea to mention here, because she strongly disagreed with the type she got.

why you do this to me...now I’m running through everyone on the forum trying to figure it out

[aster]

why you do this to me...now I’m running through everyone on the forum trying to figure it out

ok, think I figured it out with my supreme stalking skillz

[Tallmo]

ok, think I figured it out with my supreme stalking skillz

I can't figure it out. Please share your knowledge with me. I want to know.

[thehotelambush]

@shotgunfingers LSI-H
@Ebony IEI-C
@Suspiria EIE-C
@Chakram LSI-N
@Paranoia Agent ILI-C
@thegreenfaerie LSI-H
@Uncle Ave LSI-C
@aster IEI-N
@justalitnerdxx IEI-H
@Kiana SEE-N
@aster's friend SLE
@Northstar SLE-C
@Varlawand ILI
@uniden ILI
@Desert Financial ILI

10 betas out of 15

You also forgot @The Exception as EIE, possibly the worst typing out of all of these.

[aster]

I can't figure it out. Please share your knowledge with me. I want to know.

lol I’ll message you with who I think it is

[Uncle Ave]

You forgot Viktor, he got SLE-H and someone else who got EIE-C, but I'm not sure its a good idea to mention here, because she strongly disagreed with the type she got.

Wasn't it EIE-N?