And Yeah, he gets super bent out of shape when people don't stay in their lanes. He calls that "taking their half of the road out of the middle". He always parks far from the entrance to a place because he basically doesn't trust anyone to not drive straight into his car.
However, politeness is paramount to me as being socially considerate towards others has always has been inherently a “thing” to me even when I was a little kid. I wasn’t raised to be that way, as my mother said, I’m naturally “very moral.” I don’t expect people to treat me in any type of way, but when I see what I think is “out of line,” I’ll make sure to point it out so that things don’t further get out of hand and it’ll get corrected. I hate chaos, although I can handle actual chaos in the moment rather well, just the idea of chaos makes me throw up. I actually thought that was because of where I grew up (which still could be a cultural thing but I also grew up in the same place with some of the most chaotic, grumpy, rudeass bitches and we’re still friends). I hate stuff that’s “wrong” both logically and interpersonally as I find that to be unacceptable and I’ll directly address it for both Ti (“You didn’t follow directions which is why you’re wrong and that proves my point that you’re a dumbass”) and Fi reasons (“What you need to do is take your attitude down 3 notches and don’t need to be acting like we don’t got lives to be waiting on your dumbass”).
My dad is LSI-N. He also likes to call out both wrong stuff on Ti and Fi. He’s actually really good with the Fi stuff, but it’s super limited to those he’s close with (probably due to the aristocracy thing). Since N sub logicals are more confident with the Ti, it’s very likely that they exhibit mainly Ti in public spheres, as my dad does. Fi side is probably more prominent in private spheres and with my dad, it’s with my mom, me, his favorite sister, and very rarely with current wife (I think it’s because he doesn’t know her as well even though they’ve been married for like 12 years). My dad can’t let go of my mom and they’ve been divorced for a very long time. He still trusts her with money and they still share a bank account together where they both make periodic deposits (it’s money for me, actually). I’ve ran away many times as a kid and teenager and every time, my mom (SEE-D) would act cool like “oh well she’ll come back eventually,” but my dad would straight up panic and sought for me high and low. I went years in early adulthood without saying a single word to him, but he refused to let me go. He would keep communication lines open and send me weekly texts to check up on me and made monthly deposit into my checking account. Spring and Winter times he would send me care packages (allergy meds, a list of reminders what I’m allergic to, etc.). He still does this, but with less intensity. So like I say, I think G is totally right that normalizing subs have both elevated Ti + Fi development.
I did make threads about my dad and my Mom once. I think a lot of people thought he looked Gamma NT, if my memory serves me right. He could be ILI if I really think about it. He’s just so private, I don’t even think I know him well. I told my SO, who works with him occasionally, and they are kind of ‘friends’, that I think he knows my dad better than I do. I don’t even know what he likes that much, kind of music he likes, his opinion on religion. My SO told me he was talking to him one day about the Bible, and my dad knew a lot about it and it surprised him. I was like, what??
Ive considered ESE for my mom before. It just sounds so cliche, my mom being ESE lol And she is probably one the most ADHD people I know. I could see her being Ni PoLR. I thought before she could be Te PoLR because of how she is with money, but she’s just so extrovert. I don’t know, I think you’re right, she could be ESE, maybe ESE-C. I guess that would make sense
From what I understand, supervision is the most common for marriages. Your mom could be EIE and supervise your ILI dad. If sheís Fe lead, itís a matter of determining where Se is for her, because ESEs are actually very strong with Se... they just address conflict in a dramatic but weird, jokey fighting way like Cardi B (itís the Ne mob).
it would imo make ILI-N the most common type among autists
They wouldn't argue much, but they wouldn't talk much, either. My mother was always low-level angry at my dad for not taking her anywhere, but she complained more to her kids about this than to him, I think. I think I saw my SLI dad flare up at her for about ten seconds, two or three times in my life. But he'd immediately return to placid seas.
You don't have to be Conflictors to prefer sleeping in separate rooms.
I can't imagine my parents cheating on each other.
I can't imagine me cheating on a partner. If my partner cheated, I think we'd be done. Period. No, wait. I know we'd be done.
I told my last GF that she wasn't the One, and I was dating other women, but I wasn't having sex with them, and if I did, I'd tell her right away so she could make other plans.
I don't know how screwed up that is, but at least it shows a little respect for the other person. I'm not lying to her. Not one bit.
After my divorce, I found a new GF fairly soon thereafter. I think my ex was pissed for some reason. Why, IDK. But I introduced her to a guy who seems to be a Dual IEE to her SLI, and she moved in with him last March.
About a week ago, she emailed me a link to a Zoom meeting, where she briefly wished me happy Holidays. I asked he what that was in the background. It looked like the material from a dress my mother used to wear. The pattern was large pink roses on a black background.
"It's wallpaper" she said. "I'm in the bedroom."
My first thought was, "Black wallpaper with pink roses in the bedroom? WTF?" My second thought was, "This must be her way of showing me that we're equal." Lol.
Tit for Tat.
I don’t know what my maternal grandparents are, considering my grandfather died young, long before I was born. He was known to carry on and had many affairs, but my granny (I think she’s SLE) was always tough and confrontational, went and chased off all the side women and raged at her husband but was very decidedly devoted to him. From what my mom said about her father, it sounds like he was LSI. They had a very long history, grew up in the same neighborhood and were teenage sweethearts and married at 17/18. The tragic part in all of this, my mom was a child and used to follow her mother to watch how her mother confronted all those women. My granny was not afraid to use violence against them. After he died, she stayed constant to his memory. But their lives were very “tumultuous,” the precise word my mom used. At any rate, it wasn’t ever directly talked about, the infidelities. My mom and her siblings all agreed that their mother literally “went insane” after her husband unexpectedly died so young (he was in the military). At that point, my mom was around 12 or 13, and she said she endured many years being at the receiving end of her mother’s narcissistic rage.
Contrast with my parents who are direct supervision (LSI-N and SEE-D) that they also grew up boy/girl next door and my mom was still a teenager when she married my dad who had barely graduated college. She married him to get away from the abuse she endured with her mother, and although my dad is exceedingly rigid and domineering towards her, he was faithful and dutiful, loved her in a suffocating, obsessive and violent way. She ran away from one abusive home straight to another. Despite all that, my mom to this day said she never regretted enduring my dad. She preferred to be beaten by him over her mother. She said she will always love him, because he’s dutiful and even though he didn’t do right by her, she said that she’s confident that he’ll always do right through me. Maybe my dad does try hard with me because he said I carry all the best traits of my mom and him.
Down the line, I’m SEE and looking at my relationships, the longest and best ones were with LSIs. They didn’t beat me but they definitely supervised me and loved me in the possessive and obsessive way that mirrored my parents. Sometimes I think we’re just wired to repeat the same thing that we grew up with because it’s unconscious, and no matter how much one tries to escape it, it’ll be there waiting for you on the other end.
I can now attest to Gulenko getting at least one more typing right since he just concluded my typing and confirmed my self-typing was correct down to the DCNH subtype
In a way it was a waste of money because I didn't learn anything new and had no type doubts, but I'll take it as a confirmation from the author that I have understood and applied the Model G and DCNH theories correctly.
It's also nice to have an "expert opinion" that you in fact are able to accurately self type without outside help and aren't delusional about your own type, isn't it "ex-SLE" @Kiana ?
For those that are interested, here are links to my videos
First video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWWeeeC3CR0
Second video after receiving new questions (this is the longest "main" video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK7_pW7xDII
Response to typing (they will post this on their website): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9cmXWeTXpo
A lot of amateur armchair psychology in this thread. In my professional opinion.
Why do you @Kiana @Vex demand our conformity? Why do you demand N? Do you not know it is death? Liberate yourselves.
Someone telling you what you are cannot save you if you cannot understand it and find that conclusion yourself. You will remain as lost as you always were.
Gulenko cannot give anyone identity. He cannot resolve the challenge of the image triad for you.
He is not God.
Reyne made this thread, it made my stomach churn because firstly I didn't want to be on a list like this (I do NOT see my typing as a trophy and I don't like the idea of a G gang), and secondly because I knew it was going to make a bunch of people on the forum freak out.
When it comes to the people you mention, you're reversing the timeline on SGF. Yes, he went on a wild ride of constantly changing typings including SLI, IEE, IEI, ILI and ILE before his Gulenko typing and my first ever suggestion was SLI, followed by Ni leading (more likely IEI) and then grudgingly ILE. If you refresh your memory, I was among the first to hail his LSI-H typing being a "stroke of genius" and have backed this typing ever since. I don't completely reject or accept any source of information, everyone has their good and bad moments. That's high-D Ti for you. In the case of TGF, yes I continue to doubt LSI and I don't think she even herself feels this to be correct. Fi leading type is still my opinion. As for you, EIE has always seemed like a better fit in my opinion, however IEI-Fe alternative is not in the category of "delusional" in my opinion as these impressions are based on online behavior and not videos.
All these typings are still opinions and I reject the idea that anyone's typing (including mine) here or even Gulenko's should be taken as absolute truths. Battle typing is an annoying but common feature of the forums that you just have to deal with, best thing to do is to remember that everyone is full of varying amounts of shit and the level of certainty someone has does not have anything to do with how correct they actually are.
Gulenko is posessed. I think we need a self proclaimed NF to exorcise him back to purity. Spare no crosses and holy water.
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As for the underlined, yes, I remember that and we even discussed it in this thread iirc. I didn't understand why you went so cold towards G all of the sudden just because others were getting typed by him. That wasn't consistent in my point of view.
Battle typing is always going to be a thing on forums, I agree and have stated this. It's just the nature of typology forums for people to want to guess other's types, and it's true other people are full of crap. Places and fields like this attract people full of crap. But I still think people going to a "big shot" like G is a good opportunity for people to learn, and people shouldn't get so stuck in their ways or thinking since it's led Socionics to it's current state. That's all I have to say on that aspect.
Congrats on your typing, btw.
As for "going cold" on Gulenko, it's a reaction to people thinking that while he's very good at developing the theory that it would translate into the best typing skills as well. He's not at all bad at typing, but neither is he infallible. I think this typing service for English speakers is pretty expensive given how little time is spent on it (length of the videos, no interview interaction and not a whole lot of analysis). This probably explains why some of the typings aren't correct imo. Some people are easier to type than others and those who weren't correctly typed might have gotten a better typing with more time spent on it.
I think the "lack of consistency" is that while I value his theoretics, I wasn't convinced of the correctness of his typings to the same degree that some were. It's again not treating him as a socionist as a monolith that is either great or bad at everything. Anyway, his typing matches are definitely higher than most people's and I'm not claiming I'm better at typing others than he is. But regarding my own type, I would not have considered him typing me something obviously wrong (say, SEI) to be correct despite his credentials. Having spent plenty of time on the subject I think my self-typing was and is objective. I'm old enough to not base any facet of my self-image on a socionics typing and my feelings don't enter into this analysis.
Yes, if you want to spend money on typing then Gulenko is not a bad choice. There isn't a lot of time spent on it but then again his method is efficient and time-saving. However, it's also much cheaper to just buy his book because all his methods are basically described there, including how to type people. It's recommended anyway because just being handed down your type isn't going to be very useful without having the whole suite of socionics knowledge. Though it's useful to start with as a point of reference.
What is not bad is his texts about normal theory. As having base T he describes in clear way, what is especially important for novices.
As for the typing - one of experienced typers. But they have low typing matches between themselves and hence doubtful accuracy (mb ~50%) + his usage of strange theories what may additionally reduce the accuracy.
The main theory producer was Jung. He thought his type as LII, while had ILI. It's an example how theory and practice skills may correlate.
All these beta typings... So many betas lol