DarkAngelFireWolf69's typings of forum members AKA Big G SquaD

[Wavebury]

This doesn't make any difference but from a distance, I thought your Ti and Fi are both well developed, but wasn't sure which one was lead function, but I knew you had to be an XSI. I took a stab that you're ESI (this was months before I got typed by G so I went off of a more westernized understanding of functions and Model A) and a very forceful one at that, but you didn't seem to hate Fe, but rather receptive to it. So then I thought, LSI because they can appear to be ESI due how similar Ti and Fi works.

I mean, with Gamma, they hate Fe. I've always hated Fe and think it's manipulative, fake, full of histrionics, etc. I mean I couldn't ever see myself being Fe or "valuing" it. It turns out I have high dimensional of Fe, along with Fi , but I'm not particularly Fe as I don't engage in it yet... not until I creep my way to becoming a dominant SEE! I could be D subtype on a personal level, but that's another thing. Even for Fi, I couldn't apply it to myself because there's just limited but biased information about Fi which I hate, but it's true, I really HATE people who use Fi wrong, including other Fi egos. So that's my Fi punching other people's Fi. I'm very anchored in my principles (Fi) and I use it as my maxims (Ti) and I'm resilient about it. I don't give a damn what others say, think, blah blah. "I'm right, you're wrong and if you keep persisting in pushing your stupidity on me, I'll go out of my way to make you feel like shit and suffer a mental breakdown." I mean, that's indicative of how fortified I am and I have extra Fi development since I'm normalizing. I'm not vindictive like ESI but... I'm as close of an SEE to being ESI. You just don't strike me as hating Fe stuff and preferring Fi over Fe. You seem really receptive to what others say and open to more possibility (which I know has something to do with C subtype since that obscures Ne PoLR/Brake) but I think your Ti is stronger than Fi because you're more strict about enforcement of rules of structure that falls under your purview (such as your Discord chatroom having rules and enforcing them). Fi on the grander scale is about harmony and I don't see you bypassing Ti order to preserve Fi relations (Ti can alienate personal relations).

This is interesting, thanks for your perspective and writing this up. I may have more later, if something comes to mind, but thanks in any case!

[khcs]

ah yes. the focused gaze, the erratic head and facial movement, communication without pauses. all these things are a clear sign of introversion.

This is not how psychology works. Told you already. Learn Socionics first.

[Lolita]

This is interesting, thanks for your perspective and writing this up. I may have more later, if something comes to mind, but thanks in any case!

Sure thing!

I think it’ll help to break down the functions characteristics +/- in Beta vs. Gamma Quadras to remove yourself from personal analysis and read up on how they operate within Model G

Ti+ (LSI, EIE, SEE, ILI) Logic of uniform structure (linear, direct deduction; LSI)
or
Ti- (SLE, IEI, ESI, LIE) Logic of fractal structure (fragmented, multidimensional; LII)

Fi+ (SEE, ILI, EIE, LSI) Ethics of forgiveness (forgiving, giving benefit of the doubt, kindness; EII)
or
Fi- (ESI, LIE, IEI, SLE) Ethics of disapproval (suspicious, holding a grudge, keeping others at a distance; ESI)

I do this sort of thing to help me understand the types better.

[qaz00]

People criticize it because they only know the basic horoscopes from newspapers/internet/social media. I am not saying astrology is accurate but their criticism in this case only pertains to those types of horoscopes, because clearly they haven't spent time knowing what actual astrology is like. lol maybe spend more time learning before criticizing.

But to think that I've encountered people who criticized me from learning about astrology is funny, because they are quick to say it's bullshit, when I am only studying it. Studying =/= believing. And if I say something about it, you know that it comes from a well-informed place. And if some people use astrology in their lives, why do we even have to care? Same with people who criticize others for their religion - the way we live our lives is up to us. Like, live your own life instead of criticizing people's beliefs that are important to them lol.

When a system is created on doubtful fundamentals, does it really matter if you use a simple version of it (horoscopes) or advanced, with more elements? It's interesting that socionics and astrology are quite similar in this case. People like DarkAngelFireWolf69 imo chose the bad way of developing the theory, instead of trying to prove existence of basic concepts like functions or intertype relations with help of statistics, neuroscience and already proven psychological concepts they make some intellectual acrobatics in isolation, adding systems on top of systems. It's a problem because it distances socionics from science, limits its potential and makes it a "psychological astrology".

I think for some people astrology is some sort of mental exercise, a tool to understand yourself better but I'm probably too much of a dumb sensor to get it. I agree there's no point in personal dislike of people who learn astrology, it's only a problem when someone sees it as a truth and not an option, but then it's a bad sign about this person's way of thinking in general. Even if you convince them to believe astrology is nonsense, they may then choose to believe in something equally doubtful. Whether religious, astrological or socionical, fanaticism is dangerous as it often leads to behaviors against common sense, mutual benefit and morals.

[two]

When a system is created on doubtful fundamentals, does it really matter if you use a simple version of it (horoscopes) or advanced, with more elements?

For me it's important, because it means your criticism of it only reaches the surface level. If I would criticize something, it should be something I would have to know completely. In a way criticism is just an entryway to realize what's real, because you can learn from other people's mistakes. Some types are probably not like this though, and if you have other things you think are important to spend time on, then it's efficient to have a quick judgment (by using logic or statistics) so that you can build on that conclusion already and move on to your actual goal. Say you just want to know your type, you may just want to find a system that is most "valid" and scientifically accurate as an SLI. So it's not useful for you to learn all the systems and see how they went wrong.

I am not convinced with DCNH, but there is no harm in suspending my actual judgment of it right now. I'll read about it more and after I'm done that's when I'll judge.

but then it's a bad sign about this person's way of thinking in general

More like, if you care about the facts, then you will clash with these people because you are opposites. This is difference in values.

People like DarkAngelFireWolf69 imo chose the bad way of developing the theory, instead of trying to prove existence of basic concepts like functions or intertype relations with help of statistics, neuroscience and already proven psychological concepts

It could be because he's an LII who ignores Te. He has an incomplete knowledge of things, but if you do what he did the other way around, then you'll end up with the same incomplete knowledge.

It's easy for us to disregard other people's values when these values are not part of our Ego. Not sure if you are familiar with TWFP and DaveSuperPowers, it's clash of Te and Ti. It's the same thing here. Both want to know the truth of typology, but they are attacking it from opposite sides. Both of them think the other is wrong, but the ideal is combination of Ti and Te. It's a good thing that Eric is ILE with good handle of both Te and Ti. If he were an LII he'll just be like DarkAngelFireWolf69.

[Alive]

DarkAngelFireWolf69 said that for socionics to advance, we need to have tools that can objectively measure brain functions. right now we don't have these tools, that's something that Te valuing types have to invent.

DarkAngelFireWolf69 pretty much does what every alpha type does. he formulates theories based on observations. he invented DCNH because he saw that in a group of people with the same type, everyone would take different roles based on their temperament. that's why he links them to DCNH.

EJ = D sub
EP = C sub
IJ = N sub
IP = H sub

so D sub introverts partly behave like EJ temperaments in groups (talkative, initiating etc.), but irl they are still introverts and so on. people can believe this observation or they don't. having typed thousands of people myself, I can say that I can definitely observe the dynamic he describes.

[megedy]

I do agree that astrology is a fun parlor game, and it's interesting to study without necessarily believing whole-heartedly. Definitely not the same as socionics, though, as astrology is all predetermined whereas this is more of putting names to observable patterns.

Also, a little off topic, but didn't Dario Nardi do some brain scans showing there's an observable cognitive basis for the functions? Obviously it's complicated but if the matter of people not taking it seriously is just down to not having enough academic proof, it seems like there's at least some interest brewing. Problem is we can't all go and join a study to get our heads shoved in an MRI machine to get typed yet, so we have to make do with a personal journey of self-discovery. Which...is not that bad though?

[Sanguine Miasma]

I do agree that astrology is a fun parlor game, and it's interesting to study without necessarily believing whole-heartedly. Definitely not the same as socionics, though, as astrology is all predetermined whereas this is more of putting names to observable patterns.

Also, a little off topic, but didn't Dario Nardi do some brain scans showing there's an observable cognitive basis for the functions? Obviously it's complicated but if the matter of people not taking it seriously is just down to not having enough academic proof, it seems like there's at least some interest brewing. Problem is we can't all go and join a study to get our heads shoved in an MRI machine to get typed yet, so we have to make do with a personal journey of self-discovery. Which...is not that bad though?

Yeah. Nardi's system is not socionics. It seems bit like MBTI hack with socionics sprinkled in where it fits to his preconceptions. It is a mess in a way due to confidentiality. Like ILE, LII, SEE and ESI belong to the same quadra and so on. It is hard to parse.

[Alive]

it's a bit of a shame that Nardi mostly focuses on MBTI. he does occasionally talk about socionics, but it seems to me that he's not that invested in it. it's probably difficult for him to switch to a different theory since he has Ne as ignoring function.

Yeah. Nardi's system is not socionics. It seems bit like MBTI hack with socionics sprinkled in where it fits to his preconceptions. It is a mess in a way due to confidentiality. Like ILE, LII, SEE and ESI belong to the same quadra and so on. It is hard to parse.

I've met an ILI a year ago that I could really interest in socionics, but he was following objective personality and had a hard time switching to a different system. I got a bit tired listening to him talk about demon functions etc. I introduced him to Dario Nardi and he told me that he thinks Nardi is a genius (since he is also an ILI). different perspectives.

[megedy]

Yeah. Nardi's system is not socionics. It seems bit like MBTI hack with socionics sprinkled in where it fits to his preconceptions. It is a mess in a way due to confidentiality. Like ILE, LII, SEE and ESI belong to the same quadra and so on. It is hard to parse.

Oh so he's just off doing his own thing entirely then lol.

IDK I just don't see how people don't get bored of the DarkAngelFireWolf69 debate. It's like the same arguments over and over again for months. Maybe more people should just get typed by Olga and her pretty picture subconcious method instead. I hear from reddit it's only $25 and you pay through paypal, so lower barrier to entry too. More people could get typed by her, and then we can move on to having arguments about her methods instead!

[Alive]

Oh so he's just off doing his own thing entirely then lol.

IDK I just don't see how people don't get bored of the DarkAngelFireWolf69 debate. It's like the same arguments over and over again for months. Maybe more people should just get typed by Olga and her pretty picture subconcious method instead. I hear from reddit it's only $25 and you pay through paypal, so lower barrier to entry too. More people could get typed by her, and then we can move on to having arguments about her methods instead!

damn, that's an awful structure for her gallery

[Exodus]

So what do you think his type is then, if not SEE?

My impression from his WSS interview was ILE. Basically he's a performer who likes getting into arguments with people. However I also considered EIE, maybe other Fe egos are possible. There was no emphasis on Te values whatsoever.

[khcs]

Checked the website from Olga Tangemann. She may be a Socionics enthusiast, but she is inaccurate in identifying types.


Here is an example from her website. Gizem Erdogan typed as EII (Dostoyevsky). Of course this is inaccurate.

Interestingly Gizem Erdogan shares the same type with our beloved forum member @Beautiful Sky .

The first two images portray Erdogan and the third one is Beautiful.











Did you notice the Turkish girl in the Swedish police uniform?

[Sanguine Miasma]

Oh so he's just off doing his own thing entirely then lol.

Yeah. It is his own thingy. It would change drastically if he could be more open about it.

[Wavebury]

Maybe Nardi's work could still be useful in a socionics context, even if he's not a socionist?

[Aramas]

Checked the website from Olga Tangemann. She may be a Socionics enthusiast, but she is inaccurate in identifying types.


Here is an example from her website. Gizem Erdogan typed as EII (Dostoyevsky). Of course this is inaccurate.

Interestingly Gizem Erdogan shares the same type with our beloved forum member @Beautiful Sky .

The first two images portray Erdogan and the third one is Beautiful.











Did you notice the Turkish girl in the Swedish police uniform?

Isn't Maritsa EII though too?

[Aramas]

Not a forum member, but DarkAngelFireWolf69 typed TheEndlessKurtis as SEE, and he posted the analysis:



https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ot4534vib...76393.pdf?dl=0

Personally I think this is a terrible typing, I think Kurtis is a clear Fe valuer. DarkAngelFireWolf69 mainly types with Jungian dichotomies but rational/irrational is not a reliable indicator.

He VIs perfectly like an SEE to me. Heavy jaw, bit of a squat nose, softer eyes like Will Young. Makes good sense imo. Glad DarkAngelFireWolf69 got his type. Now that it's been suggested, I can see it easily. I guess some of us American/British Socionists are seeing what real skill looks like and suddenly our delusions about type are falling away.

[Socionics Is Not A Cult]

[megedy]

I think Khajiit, Dunmer, and Argonian are Ni-valuing, Nords are Delta, Imperials are Gamma, Orismer and Bosmer are Se, Breton are Te, Altmer are Fi, and Redguard are Ne.

No I will not elaborate.

[Number 9 large]

wtf is this shit bro

[khcs]

wtf is this shit bro

Exactly. Our fellow forum member mixes old style Physiognomy with Socionics type identification. Not good. @Socionics Is Not A Cult

[ooo]

Exactly. Our fellow forum member mixes old style Physiognomy with Socionics type identification. Not good. @Socionics Is Not A Cult

isnt that how "u" gotta do it tho?

[Sachmet]

So after sixteen days I finally got my additional questions. I'm little dissapointed because any of them doesn't seem actually related to anything I said in the first video and any of them (I received twelve more) don't deepen anything I have said earlier. Just a set of another generic questions. Based on which I don't have a clue about which type he is considering for me, my guess is he is trying to locate Fi and Fe, but not sure, really...

I have been typed by Olga Tangemann (have seen her name mentioned here in this thread). I really can't say anything about reliability of her method since I'm not qualified to make conclusions in this regard, but it was probably one of the most interesting and enjoyable typing processes I have ever went through. Very fresh and novel approach among all shades of similar and repeating questions in various tests and interviews including this one (sorry, Viktor). I'm really curious to see if these two are in agreement about my type...

I would like to have a full Skype interview with DarkAngelFireWolf69 though (here is why I regret to be english speaker and not a russian one ;-)), somehow I am also a little skeptical to a possibility he (or anyone else) is able to identify type with certainty from just two videos not even an hour in lenght. When I have been typed in my country, the typing process was very thorough as it took six hours in the first day and three others in the second one. However, I admitt I have already vitnessed almost miracle performances from people who were able of very deep insight in a very short amount of time. Just recently I have been typed by a recognized Enneagram coach and profiler. After five minutes of talking she made notes about my possible types (she wrote down two which seemed probable to her). Later during the session she revealed them to me with conclusion one of them was really "the one" (even though she was oppened to all of my questons and suggestions of other types, she stayed convinced about her estimation from the beginning ). So she basicaly had a very good idea about me almost instantly. And I think there is more than conclusions base on stereotypes, prejudice etc. in there... Experience definitelly plays a role and I also believe there are people who are gifted in sphere of insight and reading of people, who just know very intuitively and naturally the second person's essence. So, we will see...

[megedy]

So after sixteen days I finally got my additional questions. I'm little dissapointed because any of them doesn't seem actually related to anything I said in the first video and any of them (I received twelve more) don't deepen anything I have said earlier. Just a set of another generic questions. Based on which I don't have a clue about which type he is considering for me, my guess is he is trying to locate Fi and Fe, but not sure, really...

Comparing everyone's questions with each other, it seems like he has some set questions and repeats a lot of the same ones depending on what type/subtype he's narrowing you down to. I almost wonder if it's sort of a control thing, like he expects certain answers from certain types and he uses the different responses to the same questions as comparisons. If it's any consolation, he'll reference a lot of what you talked about in both videos in his final report.

Also, I am actually curious about Olga's method. Does she actually type you based on which pictures you choose out of a lineup? Is there a lot more to it than that?

[SGF]

I think Khajiit, Dunmer, and Argonian are Ni-valuing, Nords are Delta, Imperials are Gamma, Orismer and Bosmer are Se, Breton are Te, Altmer are Fi, and Redguard are Ne.

No I will not elaborate.

Filthy imperials and knife-ears gtfo
>equips Wuuthrad
>1.2x damage to Altmer, Bosmer, Dunmer, and Falmer.
>wild grin.papirus

[SGF]

He VIs perfectly like an SEE to me. Heavy jaw, bit of a squat nose, softer eyes like Will Young. Makes good sense imo. Glad DarkAngelFireWolf69 got his type. Now that it's been suggested, I can see it easily. I guess some of us American/British Socionists are seeing what real skill looks like and suddenly our delusions about type are falling away.

Se = testosterone = genetic predisposition = certain facial features that are masculine.

You'll find similar in females. SLE females are manly or have manly characteristics, example Madonna.

A lot of EIE males for example are fair and womanly.. high estrogen predisposition. IEIs even more.

See transsexuals who undergo HRT.

[SGF]

I have been typed by Olga Tangemann (have seen her name mentioned here in this thread). I really can't say anything about reliability of her method since I'm not qualified to make conclusions in this regard, but it was probably one of the most interesting and enjoyable typing processes I have ever went through. Very fresh and novel approach among all shades of similar and repeating questions in various tests and interviews including this one (sorry, Viktor). I'm really curious to see if these two are in agreement about my type...

G typed me LSI.

reading through her descriptions of functions noted the following:

Fi - not sure, prefer harmonious relationships over drama tho. Mercy and empathy is not me tho. I can read ppl's intentions and motivation with ease.
Fe - my worst function, I'm terrible at this, but I like ppl who have positive Fe. This function for me is trash and I always wish I was good at this / need someone who is good at this. help..

Ti - mostly me, minus the rules & regulation part. I don't give a rat's ass about rules, regulation, bureaucracy.
Te - boring, but I can do it just fine. This type of information is evident to me and when supplied by someone else it bores and annoys me.

Si - mostly me minus enjoying to relax and those boring hobbies, I need stimulation. Relaxing is boring and depressing.
Se - a necessity at times for self defense, otherwise I dislike ppl who are like this / find them abrasive and don't value it much. I have more ideological zeal and passion than drive for impact and material wealth.

Ni - describes me down to a T :/ fucking weird, it reads like it would be my main function. I can't stop doing this tbh.. its just there all the time. Also weirdly gr8 at time management, never being late, always intuitively know whats about to happen, who to trust, where the course of events is headed and how much time it takes me to do stuff, so I don't need to plan lol. Its rather instinctual.
Ne - I'm not good at this tbh, insight sure, but I doubt and have a hard time choosing options, prefer Ni. Brainstorming is nice.

in terms of vulnerable function both Feeling and Intuition rings true. Never had a problem with sensing or thinking related. I could be overestimating my Ni to be honest, but I always feel confident in it's use and enjoy every aspect of it. Its either Fe or Ne PolR. ..e_e considering I'm enneagram 6.. Ne PolR makes the most sense... but my Fe is weak and needs help FML.

Typical result I get on most socionics tests is ILI:



Re-calibrating for overestimation of Ni capabilities yields SLI or LSI:

[ooo]

Se = testosterone = genetic predisposition = certain facial features that are masculine.

You'll find similar in females. SLE females are manly or have manly characteristics, example Madonna.

A lot of EIE males for example are fair and womanly.. high estrogen predisposition. IEIs even more.

See transsexuals who undergo HRT.

alright, been wondering about this since watching a couple of typing videos sent to DarkAngelFireWolf69: if we are in front of someone who looks exactly like the perfect SEE reincarnated from Filatova's portrait book, and talks like one (....?) and let's say this person gives an interview where they clearly state that they use Ti and value Ne.. then what would it be of this person?

it might look like an impossible case but it happens among twins, or family members.. or random people that we see resemble someone else we typed in a given way, but it doesn't mean they have the same cognitive processes.
while i agree that brain functions and preferences can influence the way we behave, and the other way around too, where our bodies influence our brains (and isnt the brain just another body part), would it be correct to type someone based on how they look, rather than what they think and value? I dont think so.

[Northstar]

alright, been wondering about this since watching a couple of typing videos sent to DarkAngelFireWolf69: if we are in front of someone who looks exactly like the perfect SEE reincarnated from Filatova's portrait book, and talks like one (....?) and let's say this person gives an interview where they clearly state that they use Ti and value Ne.. then what would it be of this person?

it might look like an impossible case but it happens among twins, or family members.. or random people that we see resemble someone else we typed in a given way, but it doesn't mean they have the same cognitive processes.
while i agree that brain functions and preferences can influence the way we behave, and the other way around too, where our bodies influence our brains (and isnt the brain just another body part), would it be correct to type someone based on how they look, rather than what they think and value? I dont think so.

The million dollar question is if identical twins always have the same type or if it can be different. Some typologies like Cognitive Type https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4w3tDChWTM claim that identical twins indeed have the same type. I don't know if there are any studies on this but I remember years ago watching a TV program where identical twins were reunited after spending their whole life apart and growing up in different families even in different countries. There were superficial differences in adulthood when it came weight, clothes etc. but their non-verbal behavior was strikingly similar despite completely different life environments. So the identical twin argument of type being inborn seems somewhat plausible.

When it comes to very extroverted types with both 1D Ni and 1D Ti such as ESE and SEE, it's not unusual for them to be completely lost when it comes to their own perception of their identity. They really just can't introspect logically.

[ooo]

The million dollar question is if identical twins always have the same type or if it can be different. Some typologies like Cognitive Type https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4w3tDChWTM claim that identical twins indeed have the same type. I don't know if there are any studies on this but I remember years ago watching a TV program where identical twins were reunited after spending their whole life apart and growing up in different families even in different countries. There were superficial differences in adulthood when it came weight, clothes etc. but their non-verbal behavior was strikingly similar despite completely different life environments. So the identical twin argument of type being inborn seems somewhat plausible.

When it comes to very extroverted types with both 1D Ni and 1D Ti such as ESE and SEE, it's not unusual for them to be completely lost when it comes to their own perception of their identity. They really just can't introspect logically.

hmm, yes i get it's a splitting hairs debate but really it's not automatic to draw a conclusion from my experience, I've met omozigote twins that behaved and defined themselves differently, most common difference being that one is usually more quiet and taciturn, the other is more extroverted and bubbly but I think it reflects in their cognitive type overall too... honestly it depends, twins are all different as people are.

so i dont think you can judge someone's type from how they look and talk more than what they think and say (which seems the case for a lot of socionists) because that could actually be influenced by other things, upbringing, culture, context, moods etc

[Megatrop]

So after sixteen days I finally got my additional questions. I'm little dissapointed because any of them doesn't seem actually related to anything I said in the first video and any of them (I received twelve more) don't deepen anything I have said earlier. Just a set of another generic questions. Based on which I don't have a clue about which type he is considering for me, my guess is he is trying to locate Fi and Fe, but not sure, really...

I have been typed by Olga Tangemann (have seen her name mentioned here in this thread). I really can't say anything about reliability of her method since I'm not qualified to make conclusions in this regard, but it was probably one of the most interesting and enjoyable typing processes I have ever went through. Very fresh and novel approach among all shades of similar and repeating questions in various tests and interviews including this one (sorry, Viktor). I'm really curious to see if these two are in agreement about my type...

I would like to have a full Skype interview with DarkAngelFireWolf69 though (here is why I regret to be english speaker and not a russian one ;-)), somehow I am also a little skeptical to a possibility he (or anyone else) is able to identify type with certainty from just two videos not even an hour in lenght. When I have been typed in my country, the typing process was very thorough as it took six hours in the first day and three others in the second one. However, I admitt I have already vitnessed almost miracle performances from people who were able of very deep insight in a very short amount of time. Just recently I have been typed by a recognized Enneagram coach and profiler. After five minutes of talking she made notes about my possible types (she wrote down two which seemed probable to her). Later during the session she revealed them to me with conclusion one of them was really "the one" (even though she was oppened to all of my questons and suggestions of other types, she stayed convinced about her estimation from the beginning ). So she basicaly had a very good idea about me almost instantly. And I think there is more than conclusions base on stereotypes, prejudice etc. in there... Experience definitelly plays a role and I also believe there are people who are gifted in sphere of insight and reading of people, who just know very intuitively and naturally the second person's essence. So, we will see...

I tried contacting her without success

Btw What typing did you get from Olga and what type did you consider yourself to be before that?

[SGF]

lol I don't look like someone who is Si base..

[Wavebury]

@shotgunfingers, I'd say you look LSI-Se. You don't look like ESI, imo.

[Rusal]

Ni - describes me down to a T :/ fucking weird, it reads like it would be my main function. I can't stop doing this tbh.. its just there all the time. Also weirdly gr8 at time management, never being late, always intuitively know whats about to happen, who to trust, where the course of events is headed and how much time it takes me to do stuff, so I don't need to plan lol. Its rather instinctual.

Take this from a 2D N: what you wrote doesn't mean much. Your list applies to many people, including me.

[flames]

lol I don't look like someone who is Si base..

I don’t think you look LSI either. You don’t have the characteristic expression of Se in your eyes.

[Socionics Is Not A Cult]

[Aramas]

Se = testosterone = genetic predisposition = certain facial features that are masculine.

You'll find similar in females. SLE females are manly or have manly characteristics, example Madonna.

A lot of EIE males for example are fair and womanly.. high estrogen predisposition. IEIs even more.

See transsexuals who undergo HRT.

Yeah to some degree. I think it still depends on the individual and maybe sexual orientation too as well as age. I've noticed a difference with younger SEE versus older in how their basic face shape changes. The jaw is often not as strong in the younger ones. They tend to be a lot more "cute" but as they get older they get more of a "could manhandle a bear" look lol. There's also the mixed influence of Se + Fi in the gamma SFs shifting things maybe towards a median. Maybe a tendency towards a wider face though in general.

You have to be careful with camera based judgements too. Cameras have a visual effect where they will enlarge the nose and weaken the jaw the closer you get to the face. So don't make a quick judgement there. Even arms length is not enough to cancel the effect. It takes 4-5 feet away to do that. The visual distortion means that selfie sticks are not just pure narcissism because they have a practical use.

Unrelated PS: A lot of people getting nose jobs these days are doing so because the camera has influenced their self image. Their noses aren't really as big as they think sometimes. It's just camera distortion. Even wall mirrors distort how you look to some degree. You have to look in a "true mirror" to see how you look to others, and even then the light is still not how it would look in real life due to the physics of how reflection works. So you can never really see yourself even with a mirror.

[Chakram]

I am now willing to share my DarkAngelFireWolf69 Typing Videos, if anyone is interested send me a message. DarkAngelFireWolf69 typed me as LSI-N, as indicated on the first page of this thread.

[SGF]

Take this from a 2D N: what you wrote doesn't mean much. Your list applies to many people, including me.

you have 3D Fe and 4D Fi tho, I doubt you have the same kind of difficulty with emotional self expression. Example I am rather incapable of sharing my feelings, when my gf bugs me about them and tries to pry into my soul it gets kinda annoying tbh as I'm not really sure what or how to say, its probably better if she understands how I feel through my actions. I do have feelz tho. Sometimes they bleed to the surface and blindside me, one example would be me suddenly bursting into an uncontrollable sob at my favorite uncle's funeral.. when minutes beforehand I felt nothing specific, nothing specific either when I found out he died. I'm also a terrible awkward actor, cannot fake shit for the life of me and my face is easily readable.. what you see is what there is.. :/ have a hard time lying.. am rather incapable of expressing passions and all that even if they exist. Its fairly easy for me to understand other pp'l in terms of their emotions and motivations, fairly easy to detect if someone is being fake, lying and so on. e_e despite this I'm blunt, say it as it is even if it pisses ppl off or hurts them and I'm fully conscious that it will hurt them, the thing is I'd rather they understand the reality of the situation than some dumb wishful thinking delusions.

Ne PolR tho I am extremely careful and deliberate. I always think be4 I do anything with safety in mind, I overthink a lot of times and procrastinate because of it, miss opportunities, "analysis-paralisis". This usually means I don't take risks, hate surprises / being caught off guard or if there are too many possibilities I get stuck in deliberation and idk what option is best. There is a lot of doubt usually and I live in my head, relentless thinking. I can analyze a situation and formulate a quick plan with routes of escape and hazards to watch out for in seconds lol, usually warn others of danger. This applies to ppl and relationships as well, who to trust, who is sketchy, what to do, say and how to go about things to reach desired outcome. I'm usually right about people too, odd. Fairly typical type 6 stuff. I don;t really care about fixing this tho <_< as I consider it important and a good way to approach the world as long as I have faith in the thinking process and myself, which I do. Think of the worst and hope for the best lol.

Logic and Sensing tho isn't a concern. I'm confident and navigate both aspects with ease

@Socionics Is Not A Cult e_e lmao.. I do look like that wtf.. I must admit I have a mischievous side to me and enjoy teasing girlfriends / light-hearted fun.. I'm not a serious guy lol. Fuck i missed out on the opportunity of making $ on the dodgecoin hype. FUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[Alive]

doge an LSI like elon? no wonder he likes it.