Do some research into whatever type/quadra he thinks I belong to, probably ask some close friends for their opinion (not using socionics speak, though), see if I misunderstood or missed something. I'm open to being wrong. Besides, whether I ultimately think he's right or not, I'm bound to learn a lot from the experience and his observations.Originally Posted by Consilience
lol get some groucho marx glasses for one of em.
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Haha I hope I break his streak too! Sent my first video and payment today. Anastasiia was really friendly, but she did warn me he's pretty busy so it might be a week or so until I get my batch of questions for my second video.
Edit to mention, oof rewatching my own first video makes me cringe so damn hard lol. "ummm like uhh" & having difficulty finishing sentences at a decent point so just trailing off eggggh. i thought about writing prompts to add more structure because I knew it would be bad, but ultimately decided that it wouldn't be genuine and might skew my results. screw it i'd rather be cringey and get a more honest assessment lmao.
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Some DarkAngelFireWolf69's fans typed too many actors to EIE. And explained the difference of people of "same" type by... subtypes.
There can be statistics anomaly in his typings, indeed.
It's interesting that @Reyne, which started this thread, in not among local Big Gag SquaD.
Types examples: video bloggers, actors
yer a gag, Sol
you have a lot of celeb typings for certain types too, and a few for some
idk what happened to reyne. Seems he’s been quiet and not getting on as much. We crazy people must have scared him off.
he’ll be back...they always come back
Types proportions in my list fit to borders which can be explained by actors region specifics.
Except a single type - IEI. When I started to make actors list in ~2004 I had feelings to IEI girl and hence girls of this type were more interesting for me to be noticed. That girl was my main impression until 2017, public actors list I updated until 2015.
While DarkAngelFireWolf69's fans explained the situation from heretical theory view. Seem that EIE have very high predisposition to be actors to overdominate there, and may have much variety in the behavior IRL cause they play something there too. They explained by subtypes, by levels where a human has several types, etc heretical nonsense. DarkAngelFireWolf69 uses own theories besides Socionics what may lead to funny anomalies.
Among examples. On socioforum exists Kuvaldos, a poor victim which read DarkAngelFireWolf69's articles and that became too much for his mind. He types almost anyone to EIE in "what's my type section" there.
> idk what happened to reyne. Seems he’s been quiet and not getting on as much. We crazy people must have scared him off.
He saw darker corners of Socionics. I've noticed that @sbbds after talking here, ran away from the forum and still is hiding somewhere. This may be named as post-mistyping syndrome.
> he’ll be back...they always come back
but they never will be same
Types examples: video bloggers, actors
I see that you type Agnetha Fältskog IEI. That feels very strange to me. I type her ESE.
The decisive thing is not the reality of the object, but the reality of the subjective factor, i.e. the primordial images, which in their totality represent a psychic mirror-world. It is a mirror, however, with the peculiar capacity of representing the present contents of consciousness not in their known and customary form but in a certain sense sub specie aeternitatis, somewhat as a million-year old consciousness might see them.
(Jung on Si)
Also considering to get myself typed. Since I'm still not sure what my type is (I have been able to narrow it down to four possible variants, but that's it), I think it would be interesting experience, at least. I have been typed by few profilers who I believe are considered "recognized", so I'm very curious if there is a consistence in typing me on the field of Socionics. And I really hope there is some, because I definitelly didn't get that in MBTI system... (here is my typing video on Casual Cognition channel - starts at 01:45 minute - if anyone is interested in watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ofwu-xjUwM Discussion under the video is especially interesting because more than eight different types were suggested for me which seems like a huge diversity for one person...).
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I watched your video and think you are an INFx, leaning more towards IEI.
edit: oh I just noticed that the whole video was about you, only watched your interview. yeah ISFP doesn't make sense.
Yes, this is still one of my strong candidates. Curious whether DarkAngelFireWolf69 will think the same...
Hm, this makes me feel little bit narcissisticAnyway, thank you for watching and commenting!
np. I play with the idea of doing typing interviews myself in the future so I try to figure out what questions would work etc.Yes, this is still one of my strong candidates. Curious whether DarkAngelFireWolf69 will think the same...
Hm, this makes me feel little bit narcissistic
You seem it push Fe sidelines as less important while thinking that listening and advice is more important. Implying that a person needs to be heard and via that channel they can be helped to find a solution. This seems very judious and also Delta approach compared to gamma way of trusting their own feeling and pushing it through (coming from someone who has been recipient of forced altruism... that backfired in quite unfortunate ways although it was good because it came to a halt).
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The last bit of respect I had for DarkAngelFireWolf69 has just gone down the drain.
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something that some people have been saying has me wondering..that normalizing types don’t like reconsidering things they are used to?! Like if they grew up with model A, they wouldn’t take as well to model G... but I’m not like that about things
I mean I see what people are talking about. Maybe I’m really harmonizing? Is it because I’m an ethical type? Am I rigid about things and don’t realize it?! Just a little confused by all this lol
Ns are rigid in comparison with other subtypes. It doesnt mean that they necessarily identify as such. There is also variation as to how strong the subtype is. And DCNH is only covering a certain typical adaptation, not the whole personality.something that some people have been saying has me wondering..that normalizing types don’t like reconsidering things they are used to?! Like if they grew up with model A, they wouldn’t take as well to model G... but I’m not like that about things
I mean I see what people are talking about. Maybe I’m really harmonizing? Is it because I’m an ethical type? Am I rigid about things and don’t realize it?! Just a little confused by all this lol
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(Jung on Si)
Harmonizing is very rigid when it comes to moving out of their own comfort zone. Creative is very rigid when it comes to settling, normalizing is very rigid when it comes to going their own way [translates as duty]. Dominant is very rigid to relax.
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Yes. Harmonizing don’t like getting out of comfort zone due to Si, creative not wanting to settle due to Ne, normalizing is rigid due to Ti, and dominant steamrolls a lot due to Te.
I’ve been wanting to ask you how you reconcile Ti and Fi in your type. You already have 4D Fi from demo and 2D Ti mob. Do you think that you’re really strong with interpersonal relations (even though you don’t value Fi)? And since you have Ti mob (valued), do you uphold boundaries more often and focus more on that function?Ok, that makes a lot of sense when you say it like that
thanks lol
Although I’m uncompromising, I’m not “my way or the highway” unlike how Ti blocked with Se egos are. My dad is LSI-N and he’s literally super hardcore rigid, “get out of my face or I’ll shoot you.” He never makes idle threats. I never make idle threats either, as I do mean what I say and follow through but I don’t threaten people and I find threats to be... distasteful and a buzzkill. It’s easy for me to spell out boundaries right away but I don’t care to dish out punishment. I’m willing to work with others to get compliance. My concern is for general rules to be upheld and applied equally given the same circumstances so equilibrium and functionality is maintained. I don’t need people to comply with my Ti rules, but my Fi principles are untouchable and cannot be broken. As a result, I want others to feel the same as my Fi if we are to hold common ground. If they use Fi wrong (and a lot of people do use it wrong), I’ll default to hating them and will treat them accordingly.
Well I think normalizing is right. I am pretty ‘dutiful’ and loyal to those closest to me. Kind of traditional in my lifestyle. I get along with most people and am pretty reliable to those that I live with. But. I have to admit, if I don’t live with people I can be kind of flakey with everyone else. But I like being on time, like order- I really really try to be conscientious and responsible. It’s a life struggle. It’s my biggest struggle. Because I’m a disorganized slob who is very disturbed by it and very critical of myself. I don’t like people to know I’m messy. So it’s hard for me to admit this lol. I think Fi is pretty easy for me, my attitude towards things. Peoples attitude towards each other. As for right or wrong and good or bad, I can get a lot more philosophical. I value consistency in others and try to be consistent myself.
As for boundaries...I know how much to talk to certain people to keep them close or at a distance to maintain where I want to be based on a lot of factors.
If I feel like people are trying to get too close, or over stepping them, I’ll try to correct it by adjusting my interactions. But I don’t usually set up any boundaries or rules besides that, but I do get the feeling when I am letting people over step them too much and it’s going to cause a negative future implications. In those cases I try to explain why I think it’s a bad idea. But I do have a problem with blowing up if they push my button too many times (the right ones) and I just eventually flip out on them. I’m not so great at the consistency of maintain those boundaries always. Mood dependent.
Anyway, I hope this is what you were asking. I’m admittedly not great at explaining these things...honestly think my Ti isn’t all that great
Here is the IEI-Normalizing description.
I think it’s pretty relatable...but I’m not all that organized or thorough even though I’d like to belol. People can get that impression because I try to make myself seem that way. Like I have my crap together. That’s why I think I’m NH lol
Yes, thank you! You’ve responded as I thought you would for normalizing IEI! You’re also aristocratic, so I can see why you use Fi to be very specific with those you know to be clearly defined as being “on your side” which is a very Ti thing- clear boundaries to create order and well-defined structure. Higher levels of Fi would not immediately nor blatantly sever ties. We’re both alike in that aspect due to the greater development of Fi over Ti. I like your description. It’s really sturdy and sounds like you can hold your own. My description basically sounds like I should be an arms dealer Do you know what types your parents are?Well I think normalizing is right. I am pretty ‘dutiful’ and loyal to those closest to me. Kind of traditional in my lifestyle. I get along with most people and am pretty reliable to those that I live with. But. I have to admit, if I don’t live with people I can be kind of flakey with everyone else. But I like being on time, like order- I really really try to be conscientious and responsible. It’s a life struggle. It’s my biggest struggle. Because I’m a disorganized slob who is very disturbed by it and very critical of myself. I don’t like people to know I’m messy. So it’s hard for me to admit this lol. I think Fi is pretty easy for me, my attitude towards things. Peoples attitude towards each other. As for right or wrong and good or bad, I can get a lot more philosophical. I value consistency in others and try to be consistent myself.
As for boundaries...I know how much to talk to certain people to keep them close or at a distance to maintain where I want to be based on a lot of factors.
If I feel like people are trying to get too close, or over stepping them, I’ll try to correct it by adjusting my interactions. But I don’t usually set up any boundaries or rules besides that, but I do get the feeling when I am letting people over step them too much and it’s going to cause a negative future implications. In those cases I try to explain why I think it’s a bad idea. But I do have a problem with blowing up if they push my button too many times (the right ones) and I just eventually flip out on them. I’m not so great at the consistency of maintain those boundaries always. Mood dependent.
Anyway, I hope this is what you were asking. I’m admittedly not great at explaining these things...honestly think my Ti isn’t all that great
Here is the IEI-Normalizing description.
I think it’s pretty relatable...but I’m not all that organized or thorough even though I’d like to be
Thanks to my LSI-N dad for beating Ti in me so much that Ti PoLR is obscured and Ti don’t bother me. Thinking about it, I realize why my dad drilled Ti in me, as he believed that in order to be strong, you uphold your boundaries, you can’t trust others (he’s super suspicious of everyone) and the best way is to avoid and not let people in to begin with (evidence of his preference for Ti over Fi). I believe I’m a candyass and I admit that. My dad saw that early on and made sure to forge in me something that doesn’t come naturally, and as a result I do deeply understand and have love for Ti since I actually equate Ti from an Fi standpoint that I was taught Ti out of love. Thanks to him, I’ve learned early on to be aware enough to formulate an armor to protect Fi, so much so, it ends up looking like Ti.
I’m not positive...Been thinking about it... I think my dad is SLI-N and my mom is IEE-D or C, although I might change my mind later. Mom seems like she could be EJ or EP.
Some short info (but probably too long lol) about them & my childhood ->
@aster, did you like being on your own?
How did you spend your time?
Well, I have one sister who is 10 years older than me. We lived in the middle of nowhere country in Indiana surrounded by cornfields. No one to play with. No internet back then. I had to entertain myself when I was home. So I played make believe by myself a lot, played with dolls, and barbies. Watched movies, played video games. I never really got bored. Like I said, mom really liked to run, and my sister was a singer, so we’d go to concerts for her a lot. Mom felt she ignored me for my older sister a lot, but I never felt that way or minded. I didn’t really care for attention while my sister has always liked it. I liked being by myself, but when my mom did work now and then (she would work for insurance since it was really expensive when you are self-employed) my great grandmother would watch me, who lived one house down. She’d watch my cousin, too, and he was more like a sibling to me than my sister. I liked having someone to play with, but we didn’t get along all that great. So yeah I didn’t mind being by myself, but it was nice to have people to play with. I think that being by myself a lot, in the country, didn’t help me develop as good social skills as someone that live in town surrounded by people their own age. I was much more focused on my internal world and occupying myself than social situations.
When my EIE grandma retired from being a manager at GM, she’d run my cousin and I around everywhere. She didn’t like staying at home either, very much like my mom in that regard.
@aster, I should have asked you if you ever lived by yourself, without roommates or family, and how you felt about that.
From what you just said, I'd imagine that living alone might seem nearly perfect to an introvert, and if that was the case, then why did you get married?
was wondering if thats what you meant lol actually, Adam, I think I’d hate living on my own. I’m an introvert and I don’t think I’m all that great at socializing, but I like being around people. I think I’d get lonely. And I think it’d make me nervous living by myself. I have very little faith in myself to survive on my own. It would be an interesting exercise, though. Like people that are scared of flying facing their fears by flying lol
I’d think I’d lose my mind
As it is said Fi needs selective connection so I'd think that logical extroverts manage much better being without someone better than ethical introverts. Extrovert just won't settle easily without an introvert.
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Thanks. Yes, that's the answer to my question.was wondering if thats what you meant lol actually, Adam, I think I’d hate living on my own. I’m an introvert and I don’t think I’m all that great at socializing, but I like being around people. I think I’d get lonely. And I think it’d make me nervous living by myself. I have very little faith in myself to survive on my own. It would be an interesting exercise, though. Like people that are scared of flying facing their fears by flying lol
I’d think I’d lose my mind
I asked because I was talking to an introverted woman on Match who said that she had never lived alone until her divorce, and she said it got lonely.
I think my SLI ex married me because she was living alone and was lonely. I mean, basically, I think that was her reason, and she agreed to me because I was close in profile to her father. Also. at that time in my life, my life was basically a smoking crater and I was drunk most of the time and did crazy, impulsive things, so I probably looked like an IEE to her. I'm pretty sure she thought I needed someone to take care of me, because the first time she stood out from the crowd, it was by offering to give me a ride to the observatory, because I'd lost my driver's license and couldn't legally drive there myself.
I've lived by myself for years and I don't mind it, as long as I can socialize at work. Having a live-in roommate would be really tough for me if that person weren't very compatible. I don't think I get lonely. I do think I get starved for human interaction. I don't think those two are the same thing. Instead of feeling lonely, I get bored.
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Yeah. I’ve never planned on living by myself or saw it was ideal. DH and I have been together since I was 16/ him 17. Things just happened and worked out that way, and when it became time to move on from our parents, we just assumed it would be together. So when we moved out, we moved in together. It makes me nervous thinking of kids growing up, moving out, DH dying and being by myself. I think I’d be truly depressed living on my own.
Well, not to scare you, but my grandparents came to this country and met here. He was LIE and she was ESI, and I think they married at age 20 and 18, and he had a heart attack and died at age 54. She moved out of their big house because it was too much for her to keep up, into a much smaller place on a country subdivision street. She never remarried. She would sit in a chair that looked out the front window of her house, down the road, and she lived alone for another 32 years.
The family tried to set her up with some random guy, but that was a complete failure. She rejected him without a thought.
"Where will I find a man like my husband?", she said, kind of fatalistically.
I don't think she was happy.
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lol yeah I’ve been thinking about it lately. DH is under the impression he isn’t going to live that long, probably to his 50’s because of family conditions. His father recently has a heart attack. I think he’s 58, too maybe. His father was the same age when he had a heart attack and died. His father got lucky by some miracle that he didn’t die. His heart had actually grown something to compensate for it. I forgot the details....
But DH is hoping to make enough money to leave me with. I didn’t finish my degree and lately I’ve really been thinking I need to try online. Well I think about these things a lot but I never do them. lol See my mom would call them for me and take the steps to get me enrolled, otherwise I won’t do shit lol. I’ve seriously considered enlisting her help to get the ball rolling for me. DH is too busy and doesn’t understand why it’s so important to me. I really don’t want to get remarried. dating after 50 from what I’ve seen looks like hell since people seem to be carrying a lot of baggage and I don’t want to have to deal with it. Anyway. I’m sure it will be fine. I’m just here for the ride, riding the waves.
People are generally healthier now than they were thirty years ago, I think. The food my mother served the family was basically a heart attack on a plate.
But surviving a heart attack is largely a matter of help reaching you within a few minutes. Longer than that, and other things start breaking, fast.
Lol. That's my exact plan, too. My life insurance will only pay off the debts. The rest of the assets will have to be enough to yield a constant, living income.
I'd recommend getting help from anyone you can, ASAP. If you have to start when you don't have income, it's basically going to be impossible and you will have some very, very hard questions to deal with.
I really don’t want to get remarried. dating after 50 from what I’ve seen looks like hell since people seem to be carrying a lot of baggage and I don’t want to have to deal with it. Anyway. I’m sure it will be fine. I’m just here for the ride, riding the waves.
Yes, dating after 50 is hell. I can put myself in the mindset of someone who met their SO when they were 16 and when I do that, dating after 50 sounds like the equivalent of becoming a jet engine mechanic. It's hard to figure out and there aren't that many jet engines around, and if you make a mistake, the plane explodes.
Not to say that it can't be done. Lol.
But having a job you can do remotely, like business accounting services, might be a good idea.
it seems to me that normalising logical types, especially if they are men, are more obsessed about structural rules, and that you conform to them, so they have a heavier focus on Ti. this is especially visible for me in the company I work in, which is rather technical and full of normalising ST types. normalising ethical types, especially if they are women, seem to have a stronger accentuation on Fi, which leads to cautios, over-anxious behavior. they care more that you follow social rules.
most people eat garbage all day. how many people do you see that mostly eat fruits and vegetables? and how many stuff their faces with processed meat and saturated fat? it's just that our living conditions improved.
I wouldn't want to work with technical projects as part of a team. Keep the margin right etc. The extra filling courses were like that in uni. You were supposed to practice information searching and it involved exacting questions. Bunch of BS I had to redo those tasks many times but I didn't have to do it ever in real courses.
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I'm probably between creative and normalizing on the DCNH spectrum, but what always baffled me was how sensitive strong normalizers are to everything and everyone who steps out of the line. And then they get super angry about nothing and do this kind of weird passive-agressive shit:
I'm thinking like, wtf? Who has time for petty finger-wagging like that? I get it, it's annoying when others don't respect the rules, but just be normal and learn to care less, because this person obviously doesn't give a f*** about what others think anyway
I have been wondering if some N-subs have such a strong Fi or Ti accentuation that it leads to OCDI'm probably between creative and normalizing on the DCNH spectrum, but what always baffled me was how sensitive strong normalizers are to everything and everyone who steps out of the line. And then they get super angry about nothing and do this kind of weird passive-agressive shit:
I'm thinking like, wtf? Who has time for petty finger-wagging like that? I get it, it's annoying when others don't respect the rules, but just be normal and learn to care less, because this person obviously doesn't give a f*** about what others think anyway
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