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    Great new Netflix mini series. What type does everyone think Beth was? I lean towards LII-Ti SP/SX 5w6

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    Quote Originally Posted by mightylizard View Post
    Great new Netflix mini series. What type does everyone think Beth was? I lean towards LII-Ti SP/SX 5w6
    I'm thinking SLI.
    One of the first things I noticed about the show was how Delta Beth is. If not delta, then gamma (ILI). I can't see any Ti-Fe valuing.
    I wonder what type Anya Taylor-Joy is.

    I'd say her adoptive mom is IEE, but I'm not sure.

    You posted this just as I started watching!

    Edit: she's NOT Fe-seeking.
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    I think NT. LII could work.

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    She has an obvious strong Ni. One should be too autistic themselves to type her Si ego. She is the most out of reality character. I didn't like her one bit for some reason, maybe because of all the Ni.

    Her adoptive mom = ESE.

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    Not Ni.
    One of her main problems throughout the season is that she's stuck inside a single way doing and seeing things.
    She needs people around her to show her alternatives. e.g. not relying on simply intuition in chess-playing.
    she also must be shown that there is a lot of potential to her life, beyond chess.

    But back to chess, she needs people to encourage her about her potential. Her mother (ESE or IEE i think both are possible but i don'r rly care too much) constantly encourages her. she also provided the push for her to try doing things with this potential-- going to competitions, flying abroad..
    At New Mexico, she showed her for the first time that there could be other things to life besides chess (New Mexico trip). Beth has a mini revelation. to the viewer it feels like the world just opened up a bit (but then the mom goes and dies and she gets stuck in a rut)

    She doesn't need to be spurred into action so much as bumped out of her mind, where she gets stuck in unchanging, stubborn loops.

    No Ni or Ne user would have been so disconcerted by the physical conditio of Benny's apartment upon arrival (now there's a Ne ego) . it's practically all she/the show focuses on during the first five or ten minutes. she literally refuses to start playing chess with him before having something to eat. so much staring and taking things in when she first sees the underground room, the blow-up bed..

    Irrational. she's fluid and adapts to new situations without much trouble. for example at Benny's apartment, after some brief acclimatization, she gets right into the groove of his lifestyle (the environment, the pace of life, the company..)
    although, her younger actor portrayed her as pretty rational.

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    I think is more likely for strong N and T to enjoy thinking in several steps forward and to be able to play chess in your mind or to visualize it in your head. Personally I've never be able to do it. I need to use my senses and I don't enjoy trying to figure out steps in a chess board in my mind. There's more pleasurable stuff to think about and relevant things to solve or figure out in daily life than that (like how to increase resources or what to do with them). I mean, S vs N.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    I think is more likely for strong N and T to enjoy thinking in several steps forward and to be able to play chess in your mind or to visualize it in your head. Personally I've never be able to do it. I need to use my senses and I don't enjoy trying to figure out steps in a chess board in my mind. There's more pleasurable stuff to think about and relevant things to solve or figure out in daily life than that (like how to increase resources or what to do with them). I mean, S vs N.
    Yeah, I'd be inclined to think she's an NT since she enjoys chess..
    But since this is a show.. I think how the actress interprets her personality outside of chess playing is more SLI.
    i've been thinking about ILI but idk..
    i'm placed the book on hold. wonder what her type might seem in the book.

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    ILI. Obvious Ni, Te, and Fe PoLR.





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    beth sle with high/developed ni. she's said to be very intuitive in her play and chess is ni heavy.
    townes seems beta too
    benny ile
    beltik lii
    the adoptive mother eie, both her husband and her mexican pen pal also vi as lsi too
    jolene eie
    the twins, iee
    borgov ili
    mr shaibel sli

    the actress who plays beth VIs as iei

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    SLI.

    She's S, not N.




    This is probably the scene that most clearly shows a preference for concrete over theory. Playing intuitively isn't the same thing as having a preference for the intuitive IEs. That is something many people with "gifts" do. Their gift just comes to them because they are born with an innate ability to do something. Outside of chess (how they say she plays intuitively), she shows no preference for intuition. She is a prodigy, not an intuitive. She doesn't want to go over all the different possibilities that could have been. She wants to only go over the things that were in reality. Btw, that imaginative aspect of her chess playing (on the ceiling) only happens when she is on drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatte View Post
    Not Ni.
    One of her main problems throughout the season is that she's stuck inside a single way doing and seeing things.
    She needs people around her to show her alternatives. e.g. not relying on simply intuition in chess-playing.
    she also must be shown that there is a lot of potential to her life, beyond chess.
    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatte View Post
    She doesn't need to be spurred into action so much as bumped out of her mind, where she gets stuck in unchanging, stubborn loops.
    This was one of the other main things I noticed. She is highly self-motivated, if anything her mother has to persuade her to relax — at least in that one specific area of her life. I think her drug abuse can pertain to Si, but manifesting in an unhealthy way.

    And that Fe-PoLR of hers is just hilarious. I love xLI's.

    EDIT: Well...never have known an SLI in RL to the best of my knowledge, but one of my best friends is an ILI, so I'll speak for that at least. I loved Beth's character too, though.
    Last edited by Noir; 11-01-2021 at 09:37 AM.
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    Not to mention, I learned
    How to turn resentment and hurt
    To an unquenchable thirst, in the simplest terms
    But all you see is the fame and the millions
    You don't see the strength and resilience

    I make it look easy
    But you don't see the dark side
    And all of the monsters I had to fight
    And all of the nightmares
    Made me stronger than life

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    Quote Originally Posted by ropan View Post
    the actress who plays beth VIs as iei
    really? anya taylor joy strikes me as an IEE playing her dual, SLI.

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    i saw her as LII... i would place her sort of rigid way of doing things as being IJ, very rational. her Si experiences could fit with HA. chess is her entire universe - the board is an entire world that she lives in - iow she lives in an abstract world. i didn't see her as adverse to Fe, but more so to Fi. however, i could see a case for any 4d Ti type. also the thing with using drugs was a dumbo's feather sort of thing - she didn't believe she could see without the drugs and the end of course i remember thinking was trying to show she's even better without them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inumbra View Post
    i saw her as LII... i would place her sort of rigid way of doing things as being IJ, very rational. her Si experiences could fit with HA. chess is her entire universe - the board is an entire world that she lives in - iow she lives in an abstract world. i didn't see her as adverse to Fe, but more so to Fi. however, i could see a case for any 4d Ti type. also the thing with using drugs was a dumbo's feather sort of thing - she didn't believe she could see without the drugs and the end of course i remember thinking was trying to show she's even better without them.
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    I think even Ne demonstrative would use it more than this. Seems more like Ne suggestive — needing to be shown alternatives. Still think SLI in Socionics.

    ISTJ in MBTI. I think 5 is off for her, she doesn't show that whole analysis paralysis "avoiding action while overthinking" issue that is so central to 5s. If anything, she jumps in head first very confidently, expecting to win. I think she is an Sp 3 (which is countertype, avoids being seen as image oriented, etc).
    Last edited by Noir; 11-02-2021 at 03:37 AM.
    Life knocked my dick in the dirt
    I got back up, flipped it the bird

    Not to mention, I learned
    How to turn resentment and hurt
    To an unquenchable thirst, in the simplest terms
    But all you see is the fame and the millions
    You don't see the strength and resilience

    I make it look easy
    But you don't see the dark side
    And all of the monsters I had to fight
    And all of the nightmares
    Made me stronger than life

    ESI-Se
    (but innovative / unconventional)
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