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    https://nypost.com/2020/09/08/trump-says-restaurant-rioters-will-be-in-charge-if-joe-biden-wins/

    President Trump on Tuesday told rally-goers in North Carolina that if Democrat Joe Biden defeats him, “rioters” who harass restaurant diners would run the country.

    “Next time you see video of screaming far-left maniacs shouting wildly at peaceful Americans, remember this, these are Biden’s supporters, and if he wins they will be in charge of your government,” Trump told a crowd in Winston-Salem.

    It was one of Trump’s largest re-election rallies since the coronavirus pandemic struck in March. He estimated turnout at 15,000 and the campaign distributed rally signs claiming the event was a peaceful protest.

    “Joe Biden and his party spent the entire summer cheering on the rioters rampaging through Democrat-run cities, falsely labeling them as peaceful protesters,” Trump said.

    “You can’t go to church, you can’t do anything, you have to stay in your house. But if you’re willing to riot running down Main Street, if you’re willing to riot, stand on top of each other’s face and do whatever the hell you want to do, you’re allowed to do that because you’re considered a peaceful protester — so we decided to call our rallies peaceful protests.”

    Trump repeatedly evoked jarring imagery of unwitting restaurant diners being confronted by enraged protesters.

    “If they win, the mobs win. You see these guys that go around saying, ‘Yeah, I want your meal. Give me that food. Give me.’ A woman sitting there, she wants to eat, and they come they grab her food, they grab her drink. Nobody’s ever seen stuff like this,” Trump said. “If Biden wins the rioters, anarchists and arsonists win.”





















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    It used to kinda annoy me how gay males couldn't be team players with each other the way str8 men often are. The "bros" - we are often more suspicious and bitchy with each other and try to drag each other down like female lobsters in the boiling pot experiment. And gay males often disagree and argue too much instead of just shutting up and playing baseball or going hunting together like str8 men.

    But now I think this is actually more of a strength because being more hive-minded like Trump's str8 white minions seems really moronic to me now. I'm sure there is some gay guys in the swarm of hive but I mean, in general you know lol. ((Gays are about diversity and how you can be masculine and/or femme, where otoh it seems like there is more one pure, singular way to be 'straight' because it's well, straight.)) I would hate to blindly look up to an unhealthy male authority figure cuz of my own daddy issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    He did say that, and about Republican verbal attacks on Democrats.

    But why didn't a mob of black liberals with guns storm the Capitol during Trump's inauguration?
    This is some of what happened in DC during Trump's inauguration. Totally normal peaceful stuff :



    And from mainstream, official sanctioned sources since you prefer those:

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/polit...rch/index.html




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    But @squark did they actually try to take over the capitol or did they make symbolic gestures? There's a difference. I make symbolic gestures in my mind all the time. I don't actually show up at any sorts of protests. There is a spectrum, and these nuances matter no matter how the culture of fear wants to destroy nuance on either side.

    Even the difference bt invading Adidas stores and the actual capitol bldg matters. Eff these corporate powers. We don't vote for them. But the govt that can still protect us from these aholes, wtf?

    And frankly as much as SJW culture continues to pollute things I know I have more freedom bc I'm white. The religion of social justice is wrong. But I acknowledge inequality. I just ask for sanity. SJWism is just as authoritarian as what @Adam Strange complains about.

    If we want to fix it these corporate powers need to be under the authority of govt, not free to rape the world however they like. Gamma is out of control. We need more Beta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inumbra View Post
    But @squark did they actually try to take over the capitol or did they make symbolic gestures? There's a difference. I make symbolic gestures in my mind all the time. I don't actually show up at any sorts of protests. There is a spectrum, and these nuances matter no matter how the culture of fear wants to destroy nuance on either side.

    Even the difference bt invading Adidas stores and the actual capitol bldg matters. Eff these corporate powers. We don't vote for them. But the govt that can still protect us from these aholes, wtf?

    And frankly as much as SJW culture continues to pollute things I know I have more freedom bc I'm white. The religion of social justice is wrong. But I acknowledge inequality. I just ask for sanity. SJWism is just as authoritarian as what @Adam Strange complains about.

    If we want to fix it these corporate powers need to be under the authority of govt, not free to rape the world however they like. Gamma is out of control. We need more Beta.
    Take over the capitol? The Trump folks didn't do any more than the Kavanaugh protestors did in 2018. They were breaking into Senators offices and etc to protest against Kavanaugh just like the Trump people did in this protest. None of them got shot by the police though, so there's that. And all the media praised them for their bravery and so on rather than calling them terrorists and insurrectionists.

    And as for the protests around Trump's inauguration, I don't think breaking windows and setting vehicles on fire is merely a symbolic gesture. I don't think 50 injured police officers is symbolic. I think it's violent.

    Throughout this past year, more than 30 people have been killed during the riots by antifa/BLM, and that's by the rioters, not by the police. Rioters and police alike have suffered countless injuries. Billions in damages, countless small businesses destroyed. Low-income housing burned to the ground, random people attacked and beaten by the mobs. All of this has been happening, and continues to happen. It's not a small thing. And it's not merely symbolic.

    The vast majority of protestors are peaceful, and only a small percentage are doing all this damage. The same is true with the Trump rally. The vast majority was peaceful, exercising their right to protest just like everyone else has a right to protest, but a small percentage were bad actors. In my opinion only the bad actors in each group are a problem. Peaceful protests are every person's right. The two groups are treated very differently though. Big Tech and media are the same companies, and Big Corporations are right in bed with them too. So, what do you see from every big tech platform, and nearly all the big corporations? Praise for and support of BLM. And everyone is condemning the Trump people, including all of those who had nothing to do with what happened. Why? Imo, because of how it furthers their political agenda. The uniparty and establishment have been very successful in framing events to their benefit.

    Now we can get to the symbolic gestures. One group is burning American flags and the other group is waving them - symbolically one wants to tear down the US and the other wants to conserve it. But the media (owned by big tech and big corp) tells you the flag wavers are the dangerous ones and need to be forcefully removed from every tech platform, have their jobs stripped from them and completely removed from "polite society." And the people cheer. So often you hear Trump supporters compared to Nazis, but when you really look at the analogy, they better fit the role of the Jews (and interestingly a large number of orthodox jews are Trump supporters but that's beside the point lol).

    All media, both left and right is propaganda. All of it. You have to look past their reframing and find original sources when possible to see and hear for yourself what the truth is. It's really easy to find yourself in a bubble or echo chamber where this reframing of reality works really well. I've been hanging around opposite sides just listening and observing how people react and what they say, and it's like there are two separate realities functioning simultaneously, and they're not even receiving the same information, much less the same kind of framing. But the authoritarian side, the one that wants to control everyone's thoughts and behavior, wants to shut down free speech and the free flow of information and eliminate all competition isn't the so-called "fascist" Trump side. They have no desire to do any of that. It's the other side that is doing that, the side that the media, Hollywood, tech, big corporations, and establishment politicians are on, and they're not even shy about coming right out and saying as much. They're pretty open about wanting to do all of this. They've successfully labeled their opposition as the bad guys and convinced enough people that any action against these bad guys is justified and warranted, and so far it's working pretty well for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    But the authoritarian side, the one that wants to control everyone's thoughts and behavior, wants to shut down free speech and the free flow of information and eliminate all competition isn't the so-called "fascist" Trump side.
    Authoritarianism is precisely what the US needs, believe it or not. This infantile libertarian crap is what lead to our rusted bridges, flat earth/anti-vax cults and $10 an hour fast food salaries. Every country that developed and modernized quickly did so under highly authoritarian means (example: South Korea under Park Chung-hee), it's time to stop fucking around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    Authoritarianism is precisely what the US needs, believe it or not. This infantile libertarian crap is what lead to our rusted bridges, flat earth/anti-vax cults and $10 an hour fast food salaries. Every country that developed and modernized quickly did so under highly authoritarian means (example: South Korea under Park Chung-hee), it's time to stop fucking around.
    I strongly disagree. If anything authoritarianism seems to cater to the infantile-minded. After all, they're looking for a big daddy to tell everyone what to do, rather than taking personal responsibility like an adult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I hope so, but I think it's more likely that climate change will wreak increasingly larger amounts of damage on the economy, and the costs incurred in dealing with the damage will rise to the point where people will be less able to afford to burn carbon.
    That's the 'optimist/peaceful scenario'. I'd bet that a more 'realistic' one is that climate change will affect societies not just on an economical level but also on a social level. It's probable we'll see more climate migrants from poor countries that suffer from droughts(Mexico, Africa, India....), geopolitical/military tensions about freshwater dams between subtropical countries, regional famines and riots and so on which will be the last straw on the camel's back for the globalized world(if you add to this the next COVID recession, religious tensions in a lot of places, the rising inequality and widespread "stigmatizing"/populist politics we see blooming, you get a pretty sad picture). Some places will adapt peacefully, some others will suffer wars, but I could see a new "world order" coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy View Post
    Authoritarianism is precisely what the US needs, believe it or not. This infantile libertarian crap is what lead to our rusted bridges, flat earth/anti-vax cults and $10 an hour fast food salaries. Every country that developed and modernized quickly did so under highly authoritarian means (example: South Korea under Park Chung-hee), it's time to stop fucking around.
    Quote Originally Posted by squark View Post
    I strongly disagree. If anything authoritarianism seems to cater to the infantile-minded. After all, they're looking for a big daddy to tell everyone what to do, rather than taking personal responsibility like an adult.
    In the last decades, politics and subsequently governance, have become a "marketplace for pop worldviews" in which politicians can appeal to the lowest common denominator and idiosyncrasies. This hasn't anything to do with infantilism but rather with widespread distrust/disdain in institutions(church, science, media, legislative apparatus, UN....) causing them to be neglected/undermined in the last decades. Individualism as a characteristic of neoliberal economies has aggravated this problem of course
    I rarely feel alone. I rarely talk to anyone, yet in my head i have the most amazing, the most fantastic discussions with the people in my life. In real life, what most people talk about is several orders of magnitude lesser than their inner experiences. Most people never reveal the singularity of their subjective experience.
    Maybe I should learn to explore other people's consciousness. Maybe I should aim for a real space between me and others. Instead of cultivating monologues and fantasies. It's hard, but the alternative to this seems to be madness. ~ lkdhf qkb

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    https://www.newyorker.com/news/video...-capitol-siege

    the article is also very informative
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