Kamala Harris

[Aster]

IEI-N

no way man. No Way.



don’t do me like that.

[Kill4Me]

Ne word salad, vagueness, overbroadness, absence of specificity and superficially impressionistic use of universals speak for itself....and no Ti in sight. Obvious IEE-Ne

[godslave]

The show must go on...

[Still Alive]

no way man. No Way.



don’t do me like that.

Vance is an IEI-N, too.

[timber]

The show must go on...

So this is nothing new. SNL has been making fun of Kamala for this reason for four years now.

I find it a little disturbing when trained psychologists use their knowledge to pathologize what isn't pathological.

Kamala has a habit of saying a lot when saying very little, but it's not word salad, as that phrase is used in the context of psychology, it's just her.

I have had close relationships with bipolar, and NPD people, ligit, not just poetically. I know what actual word salad looks like. Kamala is just verbose. There's a difference.

Personally I've never had a problem understanding what she says, it's just empty.

Not that two wrongs make a right, but if you are going to do a video on pathological word salad, do one on Trump pls.

[timber]

Ne word salad, vagueness, overbroadness, absence of specificity and superficially impressionistic use of universals speak for itself....and no Ti in sight. Obvious IEE-Ne

Literally the same thing that Donald Trump does, except he does it with even less coherence.

[Distance]

Dr. LII and his comment about insight being lacking in her was interesting. Character voids too. Her cacklkng at inappropriate moments. I remember with her going over to Europe during the beginnings of the recent war and she was too glib and lighthearted to understand their fears.

In other words embedded into yourself, unable to interface your audience with good empathy. Like a child.

Overall my impression was that is what lower IQ looks like in people, as a control comparison. Perfectly.

[godslave]

So this is nothing new. SNL has been making fun of Kamala for this reason for four years now.

I find it a little disturbing when trained psychologists use their knowledge to pathologize what isn't pathological.

Did he ? He said that "her tendency to use word salad" is "a major concern for those who value clear communication". Although agreeing that her manner of speaking kinda aligns with "word salad" symptomes is a bit unprofessional (it's called "schizophrasie" in French and it sets the picture). That said, the essential of his analysis can be resumed to him saying that Kamala Harris appears to have a lack of insight and she has has yet to find her own narrative because she has nothing to say.

He also said that she has a decent chance of becoming the next president. He didn't diagnosed her with any pathology (he never does that because that would be unethical and against his profession deontology hence his famous disclaimer in the beginning of all his "analysis"). That said, he made fun of her a little bit using absurdist humour...

Kamala has a habit of saying a lot when saying very little, but it's not word salad, as that phrase is used in the context of psychology, it's just her.

I have had close relationships with bipolar, and NPD people, ligit, not just poetically. I know what actual word salad looks like. Kamala is just verbose. There's a difference.

Personally I've never had a problem understanding what she says, it's just empty.

Not that two wrongs make a right, but if you are going to do a video on pathological word salad, do one on Trump pls.

I don't know her that much but she seems like not a good fit for the Job let's put it that way to not sound mean.

9:21 to 10:20 is a pretty legitimate answer and full of common sense.

[Still Alive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4l2UsZ0-s8

at least Trump is funny.

[timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4l2UsZ0-s8

at least Trump is funny.

Okay Jordan Petterson.

Anyway, pundits have been saying for weeks now she should LEAN into her quirkiness, because its polling well with voters and swing voters.

[Still Alive]

Okay Jordan Petterson.

huh? I don't support Trump. I just think Harris isn't much better.

[timber]

I am not planning on getting into a word for word thread here, but I just wanted to give you a proper reply.

Did he ? He said that "her tendency to use word salad" is "a major concern for those who value clear communication". Although agreeing that her manner of speaking kinda aligns with "word salad" symptomes is a bit unprofessional (it's called "schizophrasie" in French and it sets the picture). That said, the essential of his analysis can be resumed to him saying that Kamala Harris appears to have a lack of insight and she has has yet to find her own narrative because she has nothing to say.

He also said that she has a decent chance of becoming the next president. He didn't diagnosed her with any pathology (he never does that because that would be unethical and against his profession deontology hence his famous disclaimer in the beginning of all his "analysis"). That said, he made fun of her a little bit using absurdist humour...



I don't know her that much but she seems like not a good fit for the Job let's put it that way to not sound mean.

9:21 to 10:20 is a pretty legitimate answer and full of common sense.

This was very constructive the only thing I would say is that I don't know how she communicates in more private, or privy settings. It could be she has a persona, or at least communicates differently depending on where she is and in what context. All I'm saying is I don't have a complete picture when it comes to her communication. lol.

.. and if she lacks insight in certain ways does that speak to something socionics could try and explain? I've seen people calling her a ESTx, so its like, is this some kind of intuition disparity ?

Climbing the ladder of life like that requires a shit ton of interpersonal/ group strengths, and even Trump has them.

If it sounds like I'm white knighting harris, I hope you know I'm not. lol

[timber]

huh? I don't support Trump. I just think Harris isn't much better.

Its all good JP just says Trump is funny too. I don't agree I think Trump is a borish bafoon. Not to mention the red state subplot gearing up behind him. But JP is from Alberta, its like the Texas of Canada.

[Still Alive]

Its all good JP just says Trump is funny too. I don't agree I think Trump is a borish bafoon. Not to mention the red state subplot gearing up behind him. But JP is from Alberta, its like the Texas of Canada.

you will probably have certain things you agree with even with people from a polar opposite political spectrum just by chance. I haven't really spend any time with Peterson in the last years, last thing I watched were parts of an interview with Elon Musk, but he seems like an irrational christian conservative babbling about god to me, so I zoned out rather quickly. Trump is just very quick-witted, like his response "I don't know what Biden said there, I don't think he knows either" was essentially a death-blow and arguably funny. Harris has nothing, and I think people really just support her because she is not a corpse knocking on deaths door. I would still give Trump a slight lead at the moment, but Vance was a horrible decision and I'm almost speechless at how dumb both political parties are. It's like they are both aware that they don't belong into current times, but no one is replacing them so they just keep rotting in place.

[timber]

you will probably have certain things you agree with even with people from a polar opposite political spectrum just by chance. I haven't really spend any time with Peterson in the last years, last thing I watched were parts of an interview with Elon Musk, but he seems like an irrational christian conservative babbling about god to me, so I zoned out rather quickly. Trump is just very quick-witted, like his response "I don't know what Biden said there, I don't think he knows either" was essentially a death-blow and arguably funny. Harris has nothing, and I think people really just support her because she is not a corpse knocking on deaths door. I would still give Trump a slight lead at the moment, but Vance was a horrible decision and I'm almost speechless at how dumb both political parties are. It's like they are both aware that they don't belong into current times, but no one is replacing them so they just keep rotting in place.

Alright yeah, that's funny from an objective sense, and hopefully it will be cathartic for Biden, if he can escape dementia. Still you know what I'm saying about Trump. That's the thing about guys like him is that they know how to be popular.

[Kurt Gabin]

Kamala Harris IEE
Tulsi Gabbard EII

I think I agree. In this video, she uses Ni and Se to protect herself and fight back in an argument. So it's either restrictive Ni + role Se, or vice versa. But she's clearly an extrovert, so the only choice is between ILE and IEE. She doesn't use emotions in her speech, so yes, she is most likely IEE.

By the way, she'll win

[Kill4Me]

I am not planning on getting into a word for word thread here, but I just wanted to give you a proper reply.


This was very constructive the only thing I would say is that I don't know how she communicates in more private, or privy settings. It could be she has a persona, or at least communicates differently depending on where she is and in what context. All I'm saying is I don't have a complete picture when it comes to her communication. lol.

.. and if she lacks insight in certain ways does that speak to something socionics could try and explain? I've seen people calling her a ESTx, so its like, is this some kind of intuition disparity ?

Climbing the ladder of life like that requires a shit ton of interpersonal/ group strengths, and even Trump has them.

If it sounds like I'm white knighting harris, I hope you know I'm not. lol

I typed Poop for Brains Harris IEE-Ne back in July 2019:

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...81#post1343881

In June 2020, I identified her political vulnerability as follows:

"Basically, Harris is a fake African-American from an affluent background who tries to use a jamaican bloodline in her ancestry to reinvent herself as the second coming of Rosa Parks.."

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...06#post1391606

Trump is now targeting her vulnerability. The media knows its her vulnerability. That's why they're going crazy about it. Its okay for Kamala to present a phony racial identity. Rachel Dolezal did the same thing and the media crushed her.

I digress. I don't see anything remotely SLE. She has a 1 wing...that's the h*t***ian prosecutor/attorney general in her.

Watch the debate between her and Trump. You'll see the difference.

[CosmicCat]

In June 2020, I identified her political vulnerability as follows:

"Basically, Harris is a fake African-American from an affluent background who tries to use a jamaican bloodline in her ancestry to reinvent herself as the second coming of Rosa Parks.."

https://www.the16types.info/vbulleti...06#post1391606

The quoted & italicized words are the most ILE story (it's symbolic not myth) I ever read in my life.

[Still Alive]

Why would a type that doesn't even value Se want to be the president of a nation of 300 million people? In another thread you claim Se wants to impose itself on society.
Make it make sense ffs

[timber]

Why would a type that doesn't even value Se want to be the president of a nation of 300 million people? In another thread you claim Se wants to impose itself on society.
Make it make sense ffs

I don't think Harris is IEE at this time. For arguments sake, Se role function has this effect. Super ego is a powerful motivator and tool used to further one's agenda. Oops I forgot you are paint by numbers typist, the mediocrity is real.

"How can someone be a human being, they only have ONE eyeball?" you are the reason Disney keeps cashing in on shit products and why exposition is a requirement in media today.

[Still Alive]

I don't think Harris is IEE at this time. For arguments sake, Se role function has this effect. Super ego is a powerful motivator and tool used to further one's agenda. Oops I forgot you are paint by numbers typist, the mediocrity is real.

"How can someone be a human being, they only have ONE eyeball?" you are the reason Disney keeps cashing in on shit products and why exposition is a requirement in media today.

What are you even babbling about. I wasn't talking to you. Kill4Me says Se imposes itself on reality, yet he types a person that imposes itself into a position of power as non-Se type. You people don't think when you type others. It's all just a mush of contradictions and bs.

[timber]

What are you even babbling about. I wasn't talking to you. Kill4Me says Se imposes itself on reality, yet he types a person that imposes itself into a position of power as non-Se type. You people don't think when you type others. It's all just a mush of contradictions and bs.

News flash, bud, I'll speak to whomever and whenever I chose on this site. Thanks though 0/ this time around I did notice you were speaking to k4. In regards to k4's beta thread, I think you missed his point. You are bringing a bit of your own bias, given that its YOU who believes anyone who imposes their will in this world, in any shape and form, is a Se user, or Se orientated. Thats a you fixation, NOT what I think k4 was alluding to.

I also think k4 was speaking on a more personal orientated outlook for Se, I think he mentioned something about mastering one's desires?

If anything, its you who is contradictory and inconsistent. For instance, you state that IEIs are found in most if not all fields, most especially anything to do with youtube content creation, and yet every other sociotype is not afforded that ability. No, for all other 15 configurations they are doomed to be their role. I find this at best disingenuous and at worst intellectually malicious, as it undermines the effort and creativity of hundreds of people and decades of creative socionic thought. Basically your short comings are on full display. Yet you can't process the projections.

I think the trouble is this: a person might have a dominant awareness, focus, of Se reality (shape, form, hierarchy, ability, ect), and STILL not pursue a role in Government. Lol. That's like saying that all Te people are LITERALLY running production lines in factories.

I think people tend to pursue vocations based on sociotyical values, but its a gradient. I'm fine with the odd INFp running as a General Contractor of a multinational construction firm, juggling million dollar budgets, muti-scope timelines, and hundreds of sub-contractors and Government liaison, but I would find it perplexing and down right offence to presume that ALL INFp are capable of this feat, given their inherent natures. Actually I find a lot of what you say on this topic offensive, for what its worth.

[Still Alive]

but I would find it perplexing and down right offence to presume that ALL INFp are capable of this feat, given their inherent natures. Actually I find a lot of what you say on this topic offensive, for what its worth.

you might honestly be just as dumb as Gayser. Where did I ever say ALL INFp are capable of this? please quote me on that, because you are just inventing a strawman out of a point I never made. what do you not understand about my point that all functions diverge into different paths and likely different strenghts. geez am I talking to a toddler here? do you not comprehend the points I am making that there's a huge variety of people with the same type and that they fit different roles depending on a subtype considering that there are 8 BILLION, I repeat, 8 Billion people on this planet and only 16 types? do you guys seriously don't grasp that? I feel sorry for you.

The point I am making time and time again on this site is that Ni is PERFECTIONISM WITHIN A FIELD OF INTEREST and this can be applied to science, art, research, even ballet dancing or hell even plumbing or building a house if that's what a person is interested in, ánd since IEI has such a hyperfixation and obsession for their interest I say that it's the most likely type to dominate sectors that operate on fossil fuels that wouldn't exist otherwise, like media, global politics and so on. The other types just don't care as much about leading millions of people for clout or perception of their stupid subjective TRUTH. The fact that you view Te as this "production line capitalistic function" tells me all I need to know what your grasp about the theory is and I wouldn't be surprised if you also thought Te equals facts. it's a complete embarrasment. please just stop, you are making a complete fool of yourselves, and all this nonsense is just hurting the credibility of this already outdated theory. do you guys think IEI are just dreamers who write poetry all day and every concrete conservative person is ST or what? in what world do you guys live in?

sorry for the rant but the way my words get interpreted in such a stupid way (that I have never even said) just makes me mad. You are probably excellent in your job, in fact, I know that, because you are also Ni base. You know the ins-and-outs of your job by heart, but please, leave the more abstract stuff to people that are abstract.

[Still Alive]

Tim Walz is, you guessed it, also an IEI, but actually someone I am happy to see. I actually have hope that Democrats could win the election now.

[qaz00]

Tim Walz is, you guessed it, also an IEI, but actually someone I am happy to see. I actually have hope that Democrats could win the election now.

LSE

[Kill4Me]

What are you even babbling about. I wasn't talking to you. Kill4Me says Se imposes itself on reality, yet he types a person that imposes itself into a position of power as non-Se type. You people don't think when you type others. It's all just a mush of contradictions and bs.

There's no contradiction at all. Just because a person is running for president, it doesn't follow that the person has as a central feature of their character a drive to impose their will on others through physical prowess/force....it doesn't follow that they value Se. There are numerous motivations for why a person could want to be president...that's too general to draw any type of specific inference out of in regards to type. with Kamala imposing her will on others is not a central feature of her character...she's too much of a chameleon.....her agenda and even it seems her identity has been and is shaped by various beta factions, groups and individuals in her party...that televised phone call she did on BET with Taraji where she pretended to be ghetto and used slang like "we be on the streets" is the complete opposite of imposition of will...she's made in the image of agendas in her party. biden also didn't have imposition of will as a central feature of his character...he was too much of a consensus-builder and collaborator....he didn't want to make a move that even remotely ran a risk of isolating himself from european allies and shied away from decisive unilateral action

[SecretWarlock]

I second IEE for Kamala Harris. She’s always using metaphors and trying to make connections (Ne) and blabbering about friendship, diplomacy, connections, (creative Fi and 4D Fe).

[Still Alive]

no way man. No Way.



don’t do me like that.

I think Harris and Walz are going to embarass Trump and Vance in a debate and humiliate them. It was a very good strategic decision (Ni) by her to nominate Walz and she is going to be the next president.

[aixelsyd]

Fi ego. I'm personally leaning on ESI.