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    Quote Originally Posted by shotgunfingers View Post
    How do you relate to the description below?:

    Administrator (Stirlitz, Logical-sensory extrovert, ESTJ) - description of the type of FEL in Humanitarian Socionics

    General description. Administrator (LSE, Stirlitz, ESTJ)

    1. Assertive and efficient. A great hard worker, he cannot sit around. Fights against chaos and disorder wherever he is. He has a strong sense of responsibility. Always prefers deeds to words. Does not tolerate cunning and deceit, expresses his opinion directly.

    2. Above all, values ​​quality and quality. Always comes to the rescue when people are in physical danger. Acts in such a situation boldly and decisively. He is very caring, provides his loved ones with material wealth. If he is resting, then as thoroughly as he works. (I don't really like to relax).

    3. In business relationships, he is dry and formal, but in an informal setting he seeks to show cordiality and humor. However, he lacks diplomacy in relations - he can get nervous, flare up. The stubborn debater gets very excited when he proves his case. Doesn't know how to make compliments. (I can be formal in some settings. I do not give compliments very often.)

    4. Getting stuck in the details of the work may not meet the deadline, which is very painful. Not ready for the unexpected. He will not talk about trifles, although it is difficult for him to interrupt the telephone conversation. He does not like very much when he is distracted from work. A conservative supporter of traditions, it is difficult to perceive new trends and fashions. (Okay, I see).

    External signs. Administrator (LSE, Stirlitz, ESTJ)

    Among the external signs of FEL, one should first of all highlight its erect posture, poorly bending figure. They say about such people: they have a military bearing. In most cases, thin. However, if the sensory component is enhanced, then it is complete. This is more common for women. But even in this case, a certain fit, fixity is noticeable in the figure. The gait and nature of the FEL's movements are sharp, abrupt, and tense. Great internal nervousness is felt. It is especially visible in the subtype with enhanced logic. This is manifested in the fact that FEL cannot sit in one position for a long time, constantly changes it, and in a special sparkle of his eyes during an excited conversation. LSE clothes always tend to business or classic style. For men, this is a traditional suit and tie. Usually he doesn't follow fashion very much, strives only for the quality and goodness of toilet items. Women also do not allow themselves extravagant outfits. Even if they strive to dress according to fashion, their tastes are still rather strict and conservative. FEL is also distinguished by the peculiarity of being careful with clothes. Their outfits are always clean and tidy. They know how to wear them for a long time. At the same time, things look almost like new. Do not allow yourself to be inaccurate in appearance. Always tucked up, ironed, shoes polished.

    The manner of communication. Administrator (LSE, Stirlitz, ESTJ)

    The main feature of the FEL communication style is emphasized well-mannered manners, strict adherence to ethical norms when communicating with strangers. This is especially clearly seen in men when they talk to ladies. This is an appeal to "you", and offers to sit down, emphasized politeness. Familiarity is completely absent. FEL loves to ask about everything, learn facts. Comparing the facts, he makes logical conclusions. Does not recognize vague, evasive answers, requires specificity. He has his own opinion on any issue. Argues fervently, defending him. He never admits to being wrong about anything. Always find something to complain about. He does not like to chat about trifles, talk on the phone for a long time, exchange gossip. During telephone conversations, his voice sometimes even changes, it becomes somehow unnatural. Always in favor of practicality, expediency. He does not understand and condemns dreamers who put forward beautiful but useless projects. Does not tolerate laziness, laxity. Supporter of gradual but steady progress. He does not like abrupt changes. The leitmotif of his activities is stability. They are conservative in their views on the family, especially men. Usually they are supporters of the separation of duties: the husband is the breadwinner, the wife is the housewife, the educator of the children. They say about such people: behind him, like behind a stone wall. wife is a housewife, educator of children.

    Features of behavior. Administrator (LSE, Stirlitz, ESTJ)

    The most characteristic feature of behavior that makes it possible to identify a given sociotype is recurrent outbursts of rage. They happen when they criticize his way of doing work, lecture. He especially does not tolerate this from those people who do not do it themselves, are not competent. At such moments, he is able to throw everything that comes to hand, break the dishes. Coming out of himself, shouts at the critic, points out his personal shortcomings, without hesitation in expressions. The same choleric outbreaks occur when something does not work out for him in a particular job. It is characterized by a very high efficiency. Can work many hours a day. However, periodically needs relaxation. Can just lie on the couch, watch TV, disconnecting from everything. But he cannot sit idle for a long time. Doesn't like to get sick and lie in bed. He is constantly active, busy with specific work. A good inventor and innovator, as well as a designer. Always comes to the rescue when people are in physical danger. Acts in such a situation boldly and decisively. He never brags about it. Goes straight to the goal, does not maneuver. If he tries to cheat, then his cunning is easily miscalculated. Acts pretty straightforward. Thanks to all this, he enjoys the reputation of an honest person. Cannot stand cunning, deception, forgery, truancy. He does not like frivolity, frivolity. Guardian of morals.
    The bolded parts are how I relate to this description. In MBTI forums, I am often typed as an ESTJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raTG13 View Post
    Vibes like AOC.

    I'm typing you as ILE for the time being.

    I say this light heartedly.

    Focus on new ideas, writing, high standards, positive energy, bright, new topics, action orientated.

    Good luck on your journey into socionics.
    I cannot really see ILE. Many people here have been typing me as Fi base and Ne PoLR. You are saying the exact opposite. I think Ne PoLR may be a bit of a stretch, as I actually do like being creative and I come up with new ideas quite al lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarPath View Post
    I cannot really see ILE. Many people here have been typing me as Fi base and Ne PoLR. You are saying the exact opposite. I think Ne PoLR may be a bit of a stretch, as I actually do like being creative and I come up with new ideas quite al lot.
    What? You just said this here, a few posts ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by StarPath View Post
    My one issue I have with ESI is this: Fi concerns the ethics of relationships. Although I can relate to the ESI moralist stereotype, I'd say that I am not very good at gaging the dynamics of relationships. Fi is about relations, and I have struggled with relationships when I was younger. I used to struggle with reading people and conversation dynamics. I see a good bit of Ti though. If I am ESI, I am definitely the subtype. I use Te quite a lot but I can definitely see Ne PoLR.
    ...So you have changed your mind already?

    I think this must point to some kind of N PoLR. If not Ne polr then Ni polr. I would say Ne polr ESI because an LSE Te lead should not in theory be so quick to obviously contradict his or her own factual output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    What? You just said this here, a few posts ago:


    ...So you have changed your mind already?

    I think this must point to some kind of N PoLR. If not Ne polr then Ni polr. I would say Ne polr ESI because an LSE Te lead should not in theory be so quick to obviously contradict his or her own factual output.
    Okay, I see where you are coming from. I just realized that I had a "flash of insight" (could be a sign of Ni HA, possibly) that suggests that maybe my Ne could be higher than PoLR levels.

    How I Relate To Ne PoLR:
    - Black-and-white thinking. "It must be done a certain way. There is only one correct and moral way of being. Internal morals and principles should not be broken."
    - Struggle to adapt to changes in views. I used to have such unchanging opinions that it would be hard to change my mind on it, and even I thought I should change my mind of the matter. Sometimes, my views would just not change no matter what. Sometimes, it could be hard to adapt from one way of doing something.
    - Struggle to adapt to major changes. When I was a child, I used to really struggle with adjusting from school to summer. The structure of school just comforted me, and I would become really stressed due to the rapid change from school to summer. Same with the change from normalcy to pandemic life.
    - Not being super open-minded. My views are my views and I can be very self-righteous at times.
    How I Do Not Relate To Ne PoLR:
    - I like to try new foods and new things sometimes to see if I like it or if it works.
    - I am actually very creative. I created multiple fictional planets and I used to like to do creative writing when I was younger.
    - I used to like to experiment (deviate from the norm) in the kitchen by making things without recipes and alternating from the norms of recipes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarPath View Post
    Okay, I see where you are coming from. I just realized that I had a "flash of insight" (could be a sign of Ni HA, possibly) that suggests that maybe my Ne could be higher than PoLR levels.
    I understand what you’re getting at, but consider the fact that you’re making these two DIRECTLY contradicting statements in the SAME statement lol. Most people would at least space them out a bit more. I do think this is a sign of 1D Te likely because if you say 2 contradicting ideas in the same place to make it look like either could be true really, that’s not really giving a substantial fact or data point in a high Te-like way.

    I think “sometimes experimenting with recipes” and some creative writing is not a sign of Ne being higher than 1 dimensional. Sounds like fairly textbook 1D Ne, unless you have some other examples where you’ve exhibited more outlandish creativity, like with your life choices in IRL. 1D functions, even the Polr aren’t nonexistent; everybody uses all the information elements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    I understand what you’re getting at, but consider the fact that you’re making these two DIRECTLY contradicting statements in the SAME statement lol. Most people would at least space them out a bit more. I do think this is a sign of 1D Te likely because if you say 2 contradicting ideas in the same place to make it look like either could be true really, that’s not really giving a substantial fact or data point in a high Te-like way.

    I think “sometimes experimenting with recipes” and some creative writing is not a sign of Ne being higher than 1 dimensional. Sounds like fairly textbook 1D Ne, unless you have some other examples where you’ve exhibited more outlandish creativity, like with your life choices in IRL. 1D functions, even the Polr aren’t nonexistent; everybody uses all the information elements.
    You know who could also 'contradict' themselves in the same style? Shotgun. And apparently he is LSI-H for what Gulenko knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    You know who could also 'contradict' themselves in the same style? Shotgun. And apparently he is LSI-H for what Voldemort knows.
    Well I’d say shotgun spaces his contradictions out more but yeah lol, he’s Ne polr too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    I understand what you’re getting at, but consider the fact that you’re making these two DIRECTLY contradicting statements in the SAME statement lol. Most people would at least space them out a bit more. I do think this is a sign of 1D Te likely because if you say 2 contradicting ideas in the same place to make it look like either could be true really, that’s not really giving a substantial fact or data point in a high Te-like way.

    I think “sometimes experimenting with recipes” and some creative writing is not a sign of Ne being higher than 1 dimensional. Sounds like fairly textbook 1D Ne, unless you have some other examples where you’ve exhibited more outlandish creativity, like with your life choices in IRL. 1D functions, even the Polr aren’t nonexistent; everybody uses all the information elements.
    I think I meant Ni, LOL. I could very well be Ne PoLR.

    Some things that could also point to Ne PoLR:
    - Someone who knows me well hates how I can be so "the one right way" (I suspect that person to be an Alpha SF of some sort).
    - I can sometimes stick to a way of living so much that I would not adapt, even if others told me I should. Once, I was told that I should get more sleep. I was so stuck on living a "morning routine" to complete studying before school.
    - Worrying a lot about how something should be.
    - Not being able to see things from others' perspectives. My empathy is not very high and I just see things as a "one right way."
    - Being criticized for being a bit "rigid."
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarPath View Post
    I think I meant Ni, LOL. I could very well be Ne PoLR.

    Some things that could also point to Ne PoLR:
    - Someone who knows me well hates how I can be so "the one right way" (I suspect that person to be an Alpha SF of some sort).
    - I can sometimes stick to a way of living so much that I would not adapt, even if others told me I should. Once, I was told that I should get more sleep. I was so stuck on living a "morning routine" to complete studying before school.
    - Worrying a lot about how something should be.
    - Not being able to see things from others' perspectives. My empathy is not very high and I just see things as a "one right way."
    - Being criticized for being a bit "rigid."
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    Ah yeah flash of insight = Ni, gotcha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Ah yeah flash of insight = Ni, gotcha.
    I should point out this user spends a lot of time on TypologyCentral, where a lot of them genuinely view shit like "trying new food" as Ne. A lot of them take this stereotypical approach to typing, which is now presenting itself in these lists they have created. I mean, the whole "I could be INFJ or ESTJ" shit they have going on I find to be highly inconsistent lol. Decisive queen, I don't think.

    I'm not trying to be shady here for what it's worth, I'm moreso pointing out that they have in a sense adopted the typical communication style and opinions of typologycentral as their own and it's showing up hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    I should point out this user spends a lot of time on TypologyCentral, where a lot of them genuinely view shit like "trying new food" as Ne. A lot of them take this stereotypical approach to typing, which is now presenting itself in these lists they have created. I mean, even the whole "I could be INFJ or ESTJ" shit they have going on my 1D Ti ass finds highly inconsistent lol. Decisive queen, I don't think.

    I'm not trying to be shady here for what it's worth, I'm moreso pointing out that they have in a sense adopted the typical communication style and opinions of typologycentral as their own and it's showing up hard.
    FurryCentral more like IMO. /says me with an animal avatar

    Yeah I agree that most logical types probably wouldn’t see that as feasible I think. It’s more 1D Te than 1D Ti. OP seems to have a pretty good grasp of the information elements so far though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    FurryCentral more like IMO. /says me with an animal avatar

    Yeah I agree that most logical types probably wouldn’t see that as feasible I think. It’s more 1D Te than 1D Ti. OP seems to have a pretty good grasp of the information elements so far though.
    I don't think most people would see it as feasible, lol.

    My main issue with those lists aside from what I said regarding the stereotypes (Eg. creative writing = Ne, which isn't the case) is that some of it reads as "I got called rigid once or twice so I believe I'm Ne PoLR". Whether OP means this or not, I don't know - I'm just saying that's how it reads to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    I don't think most people would see it as feasible, lol.

    My main issue with those lists aside from what I said regarding the stereotypes (Eg. creative writing = Ne, which isn't the case) is that some of it reads as "I got called rigid once or twice so I believe I'm Ne PoLR". Whether OP means this or not, I don't know - I'm just saying that's how it reads to me.
    Fair enough lol.

    About the bottom part, what better alternative would you suggest for the OP to do, to help us assess her type?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbbds View Post
    Fair enough lol.

    About the bottom part, what better alternative would you suggest for the OP to do, to help us assess her type?
    Well I think it would more useful if each point were elaborated on a little more, to see how much of a trend it as been over the course of her life and how it has affected her, of course elaborating more might also provide us with more to work with to provide a fuller picture of her type. The more there is to work with the better, especially online when we only really get to see small snippets of people's lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    I'd say you're a Level I type of person. Deeply socialized, robotical and inauthentic. It shows both in your video as well as in your posts. I already dislike you intensely and I am going to put you on ignore.
    wow that was so rude. When i feel like that, i just block or ignore the person without needing to verbalize it. That was unnecessarily hurtful in my opinion.
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    EII

    My thoughts were like: definitely rational --> definitely Te/Fi --> seems Si/Ne valuing --> EII
    I have a strong radar for Se and I don't see any here.
    ESIs are quite good at reading body language and facial expressions (all SFs are). I have noticed EIIs being bad at reading body language and oblivious to people's reactions towards them. Se PoLRs in general have a hard time observing what is happening around them and reacting to it in the moment.
    You seem to value the normal, proper, bureaucratic Te of Delta rather than the entrepreneurial Te of Gamma.

    What makes you think you're a sensor? I didn't hear you say anything to indicate strong sensing. Is it just the perfectionism and desire to succeed? Type A personality =/= sensing.

    The way you talk about Te is the way I would talk about Se. It seems aspirational but not confident. You're scared of making mistakes, you hate failing. It seems like Te is very important to you but not strong. The leading function is like breathing, you don't have to try so hard at it.

    An indication of leading Fi is that you say you're very morally judgemental. LSEs don't really have the ability to be strongly morally judgemental because their sense of morals is so hazy. "Abiding to what I believe is right makes me feel secure" - This is subjective ethics. You also said you're sensitive to criticism which most EIIs are, LSEs are not.

    An example of Ne PoLR you gave: "Struggle to adapt to major changes. When I was a child, I used to really struggle with adjusting from school to summer. The structure of school just comforted me, and I would become really stressed due to the rapid change from school to summer. Same with the change from normalcy to pandemic life." --> Ne has to do with abstract ideas. This is Se PoLR and a need for Te and Si. Seems like you dislike when your environment abruptly changes and your routine and comfort are disrupted. Delta rationals love their routine and 9 to 5 schedules.

    "I am actually very creative. I created multiple fictional planets and I used to like to do creative writing when I was younger." --> This kind of thing indicates Ne ego. ESIs can be creative but more so in the realm of visual arts, music, and dance.

    Would you say that you are naturally respectful of others?
    What is your inner world like?
    Why does Tae Kwon Do give you a rush?
    What is your leadership style when you are in charge?

    The appearance of the video, and your mannerisms instantly struck me as Se PoLR (especially since you say you are very perfectionist). I notice this a lot with EIIs: A lack of awareness of the impact of the physical impression they are giving off. The lighting, the hair, the sweater being off-center, fidgeting and trying to get comfortable on the chair. I'm not trying to criticize you at all. It's just the most glaringly obvious thing I was focused on throughout the video that screamed EII. I was thinking "how can she be such a perfectionist and not notice x?" The answer is Se PoLR (as well as Fe ignoring). You also mentioned in your video that you put minimal focus on image and fashion which isn't common for LSE or ESI. LSEs usually have a straight posture with not a hair out of place. Here is an example of a female LSE for example. She says some of the same things and a lot of opposite things to what you said in your video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by consentingadult View Post
    I'd say you're a Level I type of person. Deeply socialized, robotical and inauthentic. It shows both in your video as well as in your posts. I already dislike you intensely and I am going to put you on ignore.
    So you've been here for 14 years, right? I'm betting that given you likely haven't changed your username since joining (just on a hunch), basic arithmetic dictates you'd be older than 32 at this point. God, that explains your post! If I was 32 and still didn't know how to properly socialize, I'd be a bitter curmudgeon too, so I only really feel bad for you.
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    @DirectorAbbie, you're the only LSE I can think of here; do you have thoughts?

    Personally I like LSE; maybe LIE works too -- I don't know many well, but I doubt it. You seem like a sensing type, and Ne/Si valuing over Ni/Se. You also give a similar impression as other LSE women I know: headstrong and seemingly perpetually in a state of mild anger. LSI and EII are out of the question IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Personally I like LSE; maybe LIE works too -- I don't know many well
    The common noobs problem is the lack of criticism to own typing skills. Also English talkers have additional problem of generally worse quality texts, which have more of heretical part and are badly translated.
    You need to read books (on original language and officially translated) about types where Jung is obligate, to type people for some _years_ IRL with noticing _good fiting_ to classical theory including IR and only then you may be assured in your typing skills and types understanding.
    Those skills can be far from good anyway with significant % of mistakes (~50% easily), taking low typing matches by today methods. To understand your IR effects with different types it's useful to know _several_ examples IRL for _all_ types - as this reduces the influence of significant typing mistakes you should do and hence makes more clear your IR effects situation.

    Also IRL communications have more of importat info and have lesser distortions to give correct IR impressions. To identify types in Internet and analyse IR effects from random forum talking is harder than IRL. It's unreasonable approach for noobs to hope they having bad skills will are using them good correctly in hard conditions - they should have much higher chance for mistakes, which are often common for them even IRL. Especially when those noobs would use doubtful heretical hypotheses as Reinin's traits and other.

    It's just a circus when noobs post opinions in forums typing themes and take those opinions seriously. When those noobs do typing practice for years - they change a lot of their opinions and so understand more adequately their skills in the past.

    that DirectorAbbie is close the same noob alike you
    for example, she thinks Maritsa as EII even after years of forums communications, videos and short IRL meeting. being LSE should feel the difference between dual and superego, but either has not LSE or too badly understands typology basics
    Types examples: video bloggers, actors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Also English talkers have additional problem of generally worse quality texts, which have more of heretical part and are badly translated.
    You need to read books (on original language and officially translated)...
    Out of curiosity, have you ever considered that your own trouble with English might affect your typings of English-speakers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Out of curiosity, have you ever considered that your own trouble with English might affect your typings of English-speakers?
    Would this affect his typing of Russian women? No.

    Personally, I think @Sol has subconscious fears of being in a long term relationship. I can relate. My mother, my first model for a male-female relationship, was a hostile and controlling mind-displacement concentration camp capo. This means I have alarm bells go off at the first sign of attempted control, and I’m wary the rest of the time.

    I need a woman who doesn’t need to control me and who actively seeks my company without making claims. If I find her, she won’t need to make claims.

    But women like this are not common, and if Sol has this kind of anxiety, he could be stand-offish for a long time.
    He might even express his fears that she is not the one. Constantly. While still hoping to be proven wrong.

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    OP seems young, so it might be more difficult to tell where her different functions fall. She seems Fi/Te in some order to be though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarPath View Post
    - Struggle to adapt to major changes. When I was a child, I used to really struggle with adjusting from school to summer. The structure of school just comforted me, and I would become really stressed due to the rapid change from school to summer. Same with the change from normalcy to pandemic life.
    This sounds like it could be Ni polr. I've observed that Ni polrs (ESE/ LSE) have problems with "switching gears". Like taking a break from work and then starting working again. Sometimes you have to work fast and sometimes slower but they have problems with these shifts of pace.
    A true sense-perception certainly exists, but it always looks as though objects were not so much forcing their way into the subject in their own right as that the subject were seeing things quite differently, or saw quite other things than the rest of mankind. As a matter of fact, the subject perceives the same things as everybody else, only, he never stops at the purely objective effect, but concerns himself with the subjective perception released by the objective stimulus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarPath View Post
    Okay, I see where you are coming from. I just realized that I had a "flash of insight" (could be a sign of Ni HA, possibly) that suggests that maybe my Ne could be higher than PoLR levels.

    How I Relate To Ne PoLR:
    - Black-and-white thinking. "It must be done a certain way. There is only one correct and moral way of being. Internal morals and principles should not be broken."
    - Struggle to adapt to changes in views. I used to have such unchanging opinions that it would be hard to change my mind on it, and even I thought I should change my mind of the matter. Sometimes, my views would just not change no matter what. Sometimes, it could be hard to adapt from one way of doing something.
    - Struggle to adapt to major changes. When I was a child, I used to really struggle with adjusting from school to summer. The structure of school just comforted me, and I would become really stressed due to the rapid change from school to summer. Same with the change from normalcy to pandemic life.
    - Not being super open-minded. My views are my views and I can be very self-righteous at times.
    How I Do Not Relate To Ne PoLR:
    - I like to try new foods and new things sometimes to see if I like it or if it works.
    - I am actually very creative. I created multiple fictional planets and I used to like to do creative writing when I was younger.
    - I used to like to experiment (deviate from the norm) in the kitchen by making things without recipes and alternating from the norms of recipes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tallmo View Post
    This sounds like it could be Ni polr. I've observed that Ni polrs (ESE/ LSE) have problems with "switching gears". Like taking a break from work and then starting working again. Sometimes you have to work fast and sometimes slower but they have problems with these shifts of pace.
    FWIW, every ESI that I've ever known prefers to get into one groove and stay there. I think they just don't like changes.

    I once asked an ESI with a PhD in Physics why he was working for an LIE instead of doing something where he led the show, because the guy knew everything about everything.
    He said that, while he could see many possible outcomes for all the possible actions he could take, he found it almost impossible to choose between them. The LIE was able to do that easily.
    As a consequence, in life areas where the ESI determined his own path, he tended to take the most immediate opportunity in front of him and then never change. Because who knows, all the alternatives might be worse. He might hate his job, but he knows exactly how he hates it, and that's better than Destination: Unknown.

    I also don't know any ESI's with any kind of retirement accounts. Or plans. I have no idea what they think is going to happen in the future, but I suspect that they try not to think about that.

    If ESI's think about the future at all, they probably want to believe that everything is going to work out. Somehow.

    This is what LIE's are good at; imagining a secure, assured future and making it happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queentiger View Post
    Well I think it would more useful if each point were elaborated on a little more, to see how much of a trend it as been over the course of her life and how it has affected her, of course elaborating more might also provide us with more to work with to provide a fuller picture of her type. The more there is to work with the better, especially online when we only really get to see small snippets of people's lives.
    Quote Originally Posted by SlytherinPower View Post
    OP seems young, so it might be more difficult to tell where her different functions fall. She seems Fi/Te in some order to be though.
    I will do another questionnaire to give you all a better picture of what my sociotype is. I have been typed as an ILE (lol), LSI, ESI, LIE, EII, and LSE. Sometimes, I wonder if I am a beta NF (EIE-Ni or IEI). I think that of the beta NFs, EIE-Ni is much more fitting than any sort of IEI. I value Te too much for it to be my PoLR function. I also do not think that I value Fe that much, even though I am quite emotionally expressive.
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    Same category as Alexander Ocasio Cortez imho.

    LSE? No, please don't study ESTj for yourself, it will only serve to throw you off the path.

    You might want to emulate Stirlitz though, which means something different.

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    Typings of AOC on sedecology for interested

    Hint: she is not ILE





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    Quote Originally Posted by Duschia View Post
    Okay, at least please agree she isn't ILE because I'm starting to lose faith in that people even remotely try to keep up with theory.

    I'm going to ping @thehotelambush, do you feel like you could type OP? (idk if you still do typings here)
    I normally only do paid typings now, please see the link in my signature.

    I watched a little last week, my impression was LSI, fwiw. 6 minutes is not usually sufficient for a good typing though, let alone 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    I normally only do paid typings now, please see the link in my signature.

    I watched a little last week, my impression was LSI, fwiw. 6 minutes is not usually sufficient for a good typing though, let alone 3.
    I can see why you think that. I have been typed as an ILE, LSI, ESI, LIE, EII, and LSE. I think that I will make a longer video to give you all a more conclusive picture of my type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarPath View Post
    I can see why you think that. I have been typed as an ILE, LSI, ESI, LIE, EII, and LSE. I think that I will make a longer video to give you all a more conclusive picture of my type.
    At the risk of stating the obvious - when you get such a wide range of typings, clearly not all of them have the same level of credibility. Most people are not willing or able to give reasoning for their typings, as you can probably see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreelancePoliceman View Post
    Out of curiosity, have you ever considered that your own trouble with English might affect your typings of English-speakers?
    Nobody considers that this might be a problem for Gulenko when typing Americans either, so why should Sol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehotelambush View Post
    At the risk of stating the obvious - when you get such a wide range of typings, clearly not all of them have the same level of credibility. Most people are not willing or able to give reasoning for their typings, as you can probably see.
    True. Even “authority” figures (if any can exist meaningfully in such a world like typology) like Gulenko and Jack Oliver Aaron make mistakes sometimes, so you might as well pay @thehotelambush to get typed even though he’s a transphobic douchebag. At least he’ll be much cheaper (one would hope anyway).

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    You should learn model A and how it works and then study the functions and its qualities and how those functions are scaled in the model. Nearly everyone here is a hobbyist and they can’t even accurately self-type let alone type strangers. You can look up reputable socionists like Jack from WSS and Gulenko to get professionally typed if you’d like a more definitive answer because a lot more time and effort will come from them than unpaid hobbyists. Most people here haven’t been officially typed, so dismiss the negativity because they're delusional and want to be whatever they say they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnatchYourWeave View Post
    You should learn model A and how it works and then study the functions and its qualities and how those functions are scaled in the model. Nearly everyone here is a hobbyist and they can’t even accurately self-type let alone type strangers. You can look up reputable socionists like Jack from WSS and Gulenko to get professionally typed if you’d like a more definitive answer because a lot more time and effort will come from them than unpaid hobbyists. Most people here haven’t been officially typed, so dismiss the negativity because they're delusional and want to be whatever they say they are.
    Okay, I see where you are coming from. If I am going by PoLR functions alone, I think that I can rule out Fi PoLR, Fe PoLR, Te PoLR, and Ti PoLR. I don't think that EII is plausible because I don't really see Se PoLR. The reason why I do not see Se PoLR is because I do not have problems with being assertive, I have no problem with taking action in the moment, I have no trouble with leading others, and I have always aspired to have leadership roles. I am interested in politics and business for this reason. One of the things about the PoLR function is that people generally do not like to see their PoLR exhibited in others.

    I don't know if I can even see Te suggestive. If you look at the suggestive function as something that you really like to see in others but you don't really see it in yourself, I do not think that would be the case with Te. Although I like people that are knowledgeable, I find that I have no trouble with appearing logical and competent. I frequently apply factual knowledge to the real world. I have no problem with using factual evidence to support arguments and I easily explain my thoughts. I admire people who are chill. I also admire people that act on whatever they believe is right, especially as an enneagram 1.

    Fi leading is a possibility, but there is one thing about Socionics Fi that does not really resonate with me: being able to accurately interpret the distances between other people and relations. Although I can relate to having strong ethical principles and becoming morally critical under stress, I cannot relate to accurately interpreting the distances of relations. One of the things that Fi is about is relations. I have been told that I need to be less focused on tasks and more focused on relationships. Completing tasks and achieving goals is often my primary focus.
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    I think you should assess your strengths and values first because it’s harder to evaluate coming from only PoLR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarPath View Post
    Okay, I see where you are coming from. If I am going by PoLR functions alone, I think that I can rule out Fi PoLR, Fe PoLR, Te PoLR, and Ti PoLR. I don't think that EII is plausible because I don't really see Se PoLR. The reason why I do not see Se PoLR is because I do not have problems with being assertive, I have no problem with taking action in the moment, I have no trouble with leading others, and I have always aspired to have leadership roles. I am interested in politics and business for this reason. One of the things about the PoLR function is that people generally do not like to see their PoLR exhibited in others.

    I don't know if I can even see Te suggestive. If you look at the suggestive function as something that you really like to see in others but you don't really see it in yourself, I do not think that would be the case with Te. Although I like people that are knowledgeable, I find that I have no trouble with appearing logical and competent. I frequently apply factual knowledge to the real world. I have no problem with using factual evidence to support arguments and I easily explain my thoughts. I admire people who are chill. I also admire people that act on whatever they believe is right, especially as an enneagram 1.

    Fi leading is a possibility, but there is one thing about Socionics Fi that does not really resonate with me: being able to accurately interpret the distances between other people and relations. Although I can relate to having strong ethical principles and becoming morally critical under stress, I cannot relate to accurately interpreting the distances of relations. One of the things that Fi is about is relations. I have been told that I need to be less focused on tasks and more focused on relationships. Completing tasks and achieving goals is often my primary focus.
    It easily goes wrong if you're trying to make all these conclusions without having the real experience to back it up. The polr, suggestive etc is something you have to experience and then you know what it is. It's not enough to read what it is.

    Maybe some people can do it, but my strategy was to just type other people and try to make the relationships fit. But people do this differently depending on their type.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarPath View Post
    Okay, I see where you are coming from. If I am going by PoLR functions alone, I think that I can rule out Fi PoLR, Fe PoLR, Te PoLR, and Ti PoLR. I don't think that EII is plausible because I don't really see Se PoLR. The reason why I do not see Se PoLR is because I do not have problems with being assertive, I have no problem with taking action in the moment, I have no trouble with leading others, and I have always aspired to have leadership roles. I am interested in politics and business for this reason. One of the things about the PoLR function is that people generally do not like to see their PoLR exhibited in others.

    I don't know if I can even see Te suggestive. If you look at the suggestive function as something that you really like to see in others but you don't really see it in yourself, I do not think that would be the case with Te. Although I like people that are knowledgeable, I find that I have no trouble with appearing logical and competent. I frequently apply factual knowledge to the real world. I have no problem with using factual evidence to support arguments and I easily explain my thoughts. I admire people who are chill. I also admire people that act on whatever they believe is right, especially as an enneagram 1.

    Fi leading is a possibility, but there is one thing about Socionics Fi that does not really resonate with me: being able to accurately interpret the distances between other people and relations. Although I can relate to having strong ethical principles and becoming morally critical under stress, I cannot relate to accurately interpreting the distances of relations. One of the things that Fi is about is relations. I have been told that I need to be less focused on tasks and more focused on relationships. Completing tasks and achieving goals is often my primary focus.

    I'm not sure that that definition of Fi is so great.

    Personally, I define Fe as being able to judge the values of things that are important to a group, while Fi is knowing the value of things relative to oneself.

    Nothing to do with distance, per se.

    The EII's whom I know have very strong opinions about how they feel about the people they know. These opinions are not something that they can be talked out of by someone else. Same is true for the ESI's whom I know.

    I was talking to a woman whom I think is an ESI and she said she had a hard time predicting how people are going to act. She doesn't know how she will feel about a person before she has some experience with them. This is probably due to low Ni, and as a consequence, she needs help in predicting the future and gives most people the benefit of the doubt until they actually do something bad, at which point they are toast.

    She told me a dating story about a guy who asked her to jog with him around a lake. She told me, "It's exercise, right? We kind of knew each other, so yes, I could go jobbing with a friend. Except he had trouble keeping up." I immediately got the impression from that that he had only a passing acquaintance with jogging. "Then, when we finished, he got a bottle of wine out of the trunk of his car." Right. I mean, everyone drinks wine after a jog.
    They went to her house to drink it, but when it got late and she had to leave to go to work, instead of leaving, the guy wanted to see her bedroom. At that point, she kicked him out.

    She couldn't anticipate what he was going to do until he did it, but after he did it, she formed pretty strong feelings about the experience, and no amount of his Fe story-telling could convince her otherwise.

    Se is here-and-now, low Ni means acting from experience rather than from well-anticipated futures. Fi is "I know exactly how I feel about this experience."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ania View Post
    Although what you’re saying is correct about Fi, sense of interpersonal distance is a classic definition of Fi tho within socionics. And I do think it’s very apt. Weak Fi types can certainly make gaffes on it, awkwardly behaving closer to someone they are not that close to, or distant from someone they should be close to. Or not generally being as good as - or at least as quick - about understanding inappropriate closeness I think (this is the vibe I get) either initiated by them or someone else. They get there but...slowly.

    so in that I think what the OP said is pertinent wrt potential type.
    I agree with what you said about low Fi-types. I'm guilty of holding people at inappropriate distances myself, much to my frequent embarrassment.

    But I doubt if this is what the OP meant. We will need to wait for @StarPath to clarify her statement of "I cannot relate to accurately interpreting the distances of relations." Are these new relations? Old relations? If my take on this is correct, there should be a difference in her judgement with gained experience.

    This is in stark contrast to ILE's, who REALLY have a hard time judging interpersonal distances. Forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Strange View Post
    I agree with what you said about low Fi-types. I'm guilty of holding people at inappropriate distances myself, much to my frequent embarrassment.

    But I doubt if this is what the OP meant. We will need to wait for @StarPath to clarify her statement of "I cannot relate to accurately interpreting the distances of relations." Are these new relations? Old relations? If my take on this is correct, there should be a difference in her judgement with gained experience.

    This is in stark contrast to ILE's, who REALLY have a hard time judging interpersonal distances. Forever.
    What I am saying here is that I am not the best at maintaining relationships and recognizing relationships in others. Okay, social skills have not been an easy thing for me. I am not the best at reading social cues and body language. I would sometimes misread social cues.

    I would say that I am more task-oriented than relationship-oriented.
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