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    Quote Originally Posted by nanashi View Post
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    1. The survey was conducted under the auspices of the Kinsey Institute (Klassen, Williams, & Levitt, 1989). (return to text)

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    Homophobia is a really stupid word and so must be the rest of "Professors!" blog.
    Kinsey report? How ridiculous.

    So many words. You have so little to say that you have to cut and paste such lengths of drivel? This is no way to have a conversation. Or is this some kind of 16T filibuster? A way to end a conversation that for some reason doesn't make you comfortable?

    How about this? A picture tells a thousand words:

    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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    Default Nov. 3 - You choose! LIFE or DEATH!

    ...................... Protecting the right to life is the overriding human rights issue of all time click on that title for link for story


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    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
    by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
    attitude acceptable to today's standards."
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    Default Choose: Life or Death?

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    Every 30 seconds in this country a baby is ripped limb to limb and sucked out of his womb in pieces. The abortionists piece together the body parts on a tray to make sure all the parts of the baby got sucked out. The baby's face is often in a SCREAM. You would scream, too, if your body parts were ripped off and sucked into a vacuum.

    Joe Biden and Kamala Harris support abortion up to the moment of birth, all at taxpayer expense, and they promise to nominate only pro-abortion judges.


    You have a choice. The world is watching. God is watching. On November 3rd do you choose life? Or death?

    Are you willing to accept the consequences of a death vote?

    Do you think God doesn't care? Because He hasn't struck us dead, yet? How far do you think we should push Him?

    This is a horrible world we live in. We have one chance to do a right thing as a country. If we fail, we will reap the natural consequences.
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    ...................... Protecting the right to life is the overriding human rights issue of all time


    Photograph of a 26 week old baby in the womb
    https://tubitv.com/movies/544299/entre_nos

    That is a mother who values life.
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    Default A Vote for Biden/Harris is..

    A vote for Biden Harris is you saying, ripping a baby a part in a woman's womb every 30 seconds here in America is not enough baby slaughter! We need to increase that rate!

    Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are EXTREME pro-abortionists. Harris even thinks a woman should be able to "choose" to kill her baby AFTER it is born. It is disgusting. What have we come to? How can anyone defend this? We are BEGGING God to intervene!

    The world is watching. God is watching. This election REALLY matters. We are telling the world, and God, what we think is right.

    If we vote to increase baby-killing in our country, then we should be prepared for the consequences.

    Christians, we need all need to be praying now, harder than ever!
    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
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    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
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    - Pope Benedict the XVI, "The Dictatorship of Relativism"

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    Being pro-life actually used to be a part of the progressive platform (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...unborn/435369/). However, it was part and parcel of fighting for all life--whether unborn, living, or dying. If the right to life is as important as we claim, we must strive to implement policy to protect the most vulnerable in our society and those without resources, so that they may live (and retain) at least somewhat fulfilling lives as well. Being pro-life, but neither caring about the quality of the life lived nor the right to keep one's life, is not being pro-life at all.

    As I used to be pro-life, I can empathize with your position, Eliza. But it's important that we are not so ideological that we fail to recognize measures that actually will decrease the abortion rate, such as @nanashi pointed out.

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    The easiest way to get Republicans to support abortion is by ramming through a cradle-to-grave welfare system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    A vote for Biden Harris is you saying, ripping a baby a part in a woman's womb every 30 seconds here in America is not enough baby slaughter! We need to increase that rate!

    Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are EXTREME pro-abortionists. Harris even thinks a woman should be able to "choose" to kill her baby AFTER it is born. It is disgusting. What have we come to? How can anyone defend this? We are BEGGING God to intervene!

    The world is watching. God is watching. This election REALLY matters. We are telling the world, and God, what we think is right.

    If we vote to increase baby-killing in our country, then we should be prepared for the consequences.

    Christians, we need all need to be praying now, harder than ever!
    This bold part is an outright lie Eliza. As it would be a lie for me to say a vote for Trump shows your support of separating small children and infants from their mothers and locking them in cages where they cry all day and are treated like animals causing them lifetime trauma. You also want the police to kill black people if you vote for Trump and you care nothing for the babies alive now, only fetuses, is that fair to say of you?

    Another pro-life lie you perpetuate are some of the images in the links you posted of babies in the womb. Do you realize that most of those images used by "pro-lifers" from that particular photographer are of decades old Swedish abortions and miscarriages that were photographed in an aquarium filled with formaldehyde, using filters and lighting, to make them look ethereal? I remember you took issue with images like this one of a nebula giving birth to stars yet you are on board with presenting dead ethereal looking babies as live fetuses.

    NASA captures ‘space butterfly’ giving birth to new stars




    Aren't these images not awe inspiring enough?



    https://babyimpressions4d.com/photo-...y-28-32-weeks/

    If you don't believe me about the images in your links just look up the photographer.

    A Child Is Born…
    Lennart Nilsson Fetus Photography







    Each one of us human beings started out as a raceless, sexless shrimp-like creature – which, in my opinion, is a great argument against racism, sexism and religion and all other forms of uppity, self-important thinking. In 1965, Life Magazine published images from Swedish photographer Lennart Nilsson‘s book A Child Is Born: The drama of life before birth in unprecedented photographs. A practical guide for the expectant mother. Four days later, the entire run of 8 million copies of A Child is Born had sold out. It’s not hard to see why – these now iconic images of human fetuses were some of the first of their kind, and Nilssen captured our evolution in utero in stunning detail and drama. However, these fetuses weren’t actually in utero, Lennart’s subjects were all procured from Swedish abortion clinics, which allowed late stage abortions. In the ultimate irony, his images have been used extensively by pro-life and religious organizations; case in point – one of the images I pulled for this post was up on a blog about Unborn Jesus, illustrating where Jesus was at in the third trimester – because yes, there are Christians who worship Fetus Jesus. But despite the fact that the development of a fetus is probably the most common thing to happen on this planet, ever, it is still striking to watch and think about…check out Lennart Nilsson’s images below, as well as some digitally animated versions of his photos made for Swedish TV.


    Then you go and start a new thread about this judge to shift attention from a subject you clearly wanted to talk about but like the ethereal images you post she is not some saintly being. The threads should probably be merged just because you want to separate her from the rest of what you posted here.

    PS. I hope we get 33 US Supreme Court justices in the end. 33 is the correct number for today's world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunburst View Post
    Being pro-life actually used to be a part of the progressive platform (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...unborn/435369/). However, it was part and parcel of fighting for all life--whether unborn, living, or dying. If the right to life is as important as we claim, we must strive to implement policy to protect the most vulnerable in our society and those without resources, so that they may live (and retain) at least somewhat fulfilling lives as well. Being pro-life, but neither caring about the quality of the life lived nor the right to keep one's life, is not being pro-life at all.

    As I used to be pro-life, I can empathize with your position, Eliza. But it's important that we are not so ideological that we fail to recognize measures that actually will decrease the abortion rate, such as @nanashi pointed out.
    We know when abortion was illegal and not government supported it was far more rare. Legalize it and fund it and voila! It increases exponentially! It rapidly reaches numbers unheard of inhistory! If Biden and Harris who both support the abortion of NINE MONTH OLD unborn babies are elected [how truly evil! How can peoplenot see this and be DISGUSTED?? What has blinded them?], you can be sure the abortion rate will not lower, and not only remain high, but get higher and higher

    We can see what lowers it. Trump will lower it. Biden and Harris will raise it. It is a no-brainer.

    If you were once prolife and are now pro-abort (misleadingly called pro-choice - when "pro-abort your baby" is what is meant) then I am truly sorry for you. How to you ever fall into such depraved deception?

    I actually do not request an answer to that. I only hope you will think about it on your own. Those things that brought you to this cannot have brought life to your soul, only darkness.

    Renounce the darkness! Go to the light!
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    I imagine Trump has funded quite a few abortions over the years to make things quietly "go away".

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    Default GOD AND THE INNOCENT - OUR NATION IS UNDER BLOOD GUILT

    Found this and sharing it. Christians, we must pray for our nation, we are under blood guilt. I do not agree with all the theology of all these cited but I believe they are believers and I agree when Pat Robertson says, "We have not yet seen His judgment on America." Yes. we are past due. We will get our due, but I fully believe this election will put off some of what we are due, or it will bring it sooner and harsher, depending on how we vote. The article [bolds and underlines and italics are mine]:


    GOD AND THE INNOCENT - OUR NATION IS UNDER BLOOD GUILT


    In their book “Their Blood Cries Out” Troy Newman and Cheryl Sullenger write, “Bloodguilt. Over 41,600,000 lives testify against us individually, as a community, as a Church, and as a nation. Our complicity in the crime of murder is inescapable. It is clear what price needs to be paid for the shedding of innocent blood and equally clear that the price has not been paid either by civil justice, by His people's trust in Christ¹s innocent blood for payment on this score, or by God exacting justice through judgment. The voice of innocent blood cries out to God continually for vengeance. Knowing this, we can never again read the Scriptures without being reminded that we stand in danger of God¹s judgment for our culpability in the shedding of innocent blood.”

    After 9/11many well known Christian leaders felt that God had lifted his protection from America. For example, Pastor Chuck Smith, as quoted in the Los Angeles Times, 9/22/01, "There have been 30 million babies destroyed in abortion clinics. Do you think God can just idly sit by and watch this carnage?"

    Pat Robertson says he stands by a statement he released after the attacks in which he said that Americans had insulted God by allowing abortion. "This was a wake-up call from God. The Lord is getting ready to shake this nation. We have not yet seen his judgment on America."

    Man has value - Genesis 1:25 "And God created man in His own image...God is intimately involved with the preborn - Psalm 139: 13-14 "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;" God cares for the born and unborn even sending his own son, Christ, to die for our sins. We have a unique position in His creation. - John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life."

    God has a special love for children - Psalm 127:3 "Behold, children are a gift of the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward."

    God is concerned about man's sin and his need for forgiveness - I John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

    God is concerned about the injured, the poor and heavy laden - The good Samaritan presents to Christians a challenge to help rid our land of the legal killing of over 1,000,000 innocent preborn a year.

    Blood guilt is over the land - Psalm 106:37-38 "They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons, and shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and their daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; and the land was polluted with the blood."

    God calls for repentance - 2 Chronicles 7:14 "if my people who are called by my name humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

    This is the church age and the Body of Christ, the Church, is not without guilt since innocent children are legally being killed in America.- Isaiah 1:15 "'So when you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you, yes, even though you multiply prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are covered with blood."

    Deuteronomy 21:7-9 "and they shall answer and say, Our hands have not shed this blood, nor did our eyes see it. Forgive Thy people Israel whom Thou hast redeemed, O Lord, and do not place the guilt of innocent blood in the midst of Thy people Israel." And the blood shall be forgiven them. So you shall remove the guilt of innocent blood from your midst, when you do what is right in the eyes of the Lord."

    H.A. “Bud” Reeves, President, SOHLNET.org, Sanctity of Human Life Network, Inc. writes, “Today, child killing by abortion is taking place in buildings in our community, in the shadows of nearby churches. It is rare that an American pastor or church decides to take truth and mercy to these abortion mills. WHY? Are not the little boys and girls in the womb our neighbors? Are we not much like the Priest and the Levite who walked across the street to pass by the man who was bleeding after having been robbed and beaten on his way to Jericho? Why is it today the religious leaders are still walking by? They will have no excuse. If we are to see revival and restoration, the Christian Church must cry out in repentance and humility and then begin ministry at the abortion mills.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    We know when abortion was illegal and not government supported it was far more rare. Legalize it and fund it and voila! It increases exponentially! It rapidly reaches numbers unheard of inhistory! If Biden and Harris who both support the abortion of NINE MONTH OLD unborn babies are elected [how truly evil! How can peoplenot see this and be DISGUSTED?? What has blinded them?], you can be sure the abortion rate will not lower, and not only remain high, but get higher and higher

    We can see what lowers it. Trump will lower it. Biden and Harris will raise it. It is a no-brainer.

    If you were once prolife and are now pro-abort (misleadingly called pro-choice - when "pro-abort your baby" is what is meant) then I am truly sorry for you. How to you ever fall into such depraved deception?

    I actually do not request an answer to that. I only hope you will think about it on your own. Those things that brought you to this cannot have brought life to your soul, only darkness.

    Renounce the darkness! Go to the light!
    I know it is hard when a govt official spreads lies. So here, Hon:


    PBS has a record of factual reporting:

    Fact-Checking 6 Claims Pence Made About Biden's Record In His RNC Speech


    "CLAIM: "Joe Biden, he supports taxpayer funding of abortion, right up to the moment of birth." FACT CHECK: Biden has not explicitly expressed support for late-term abortions. He wants to codify Roe v. Wade and reup federal funding for Planned Parenthood. In Roe, the Supreme Court generally found that women have a right to an abortion and limited the ability of states to restrict access to the procedure, particularly in the earlier stages of pregnancy. The court has also said abortions should be allowed after 24 weeks if the mother's life or health are at risk."https://www.npr.org/2020/08/27/90664...vention-speech
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    We know when abortion was illegal and not government supported it was far more rare. Legalize it and fund it and voila! It increases exponentially! It rapidly reaches numbers unheard of inhistory!

    We Already Know How To Safely Reduce Abortions
    Hint: It has nothing to do with restricting access.
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    Anna Almendrala
    02/14/2017 05:45pm EST | Updated February 14, 2017


    Based on the rash of recent statewide anti-abortion laws, you’d never guess that the U.S. is winning the fight to reduce unintended pregnancies. Abortions in the U.S. are at the lowest rate since the Roe v. Wade decision in 1973, while teen birth rates are the lowest they’ve ever been since the country started recording that data.

    Despite this, in 2016, 19 states passed more than 60 restrictions on abortion. And 2017 is starting to offer more of the same: Kentucky passed a bill banning abortion after 20 weeks and Arkansas just passed a law that allows a man to stop his wife from having an abortion if he is the father of the fetus.

    Supporters of these laws believe that outlawing certain abortion procedures protects the mental and physical health of the mother and the fetus’ right to thrive and be born. For those who believe abortion is murder, these laws seem like they should reduce the number of abortion procedures carried out every year.

    But research from around the globe is sobering: Restrictive laws don’t actually seem to reduce abortion rates. Instead, they are linked to unsafe abortions, which put women at risk of serious health problems and even death.

    It doesn’t have to be like this. There are known, evidence-based ways to reduce abortions that actually increase a woman’s autonomy over her body, health and well-being — rather than take away her rights and put her in danger.


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    When states invest in comprehensive sex education, teen pregnancy rates go down.
    States that emphasize abstinence-only programs have the highest rates of teen pregnancy and teen birth. And while research also shows that students who go through abstinence-only programs or take virginity pledges appear to have fewer sexual partners and be sexually active for less time, they still have the same rates of STD infection as their non-pledging peers ― possibly because they are less likely to use condoms at first, or get tested for STDs.

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    It’s important to note that these trends are only a correlation, says Dr. Laura MacIsaac, system director of the division of family planning at Mount Sinai Health System in New York. In other words, they don’t definitively demonstrate that abstinence-only education causes higher rates of teen pregnancy or teen births. Due to the lack of randomized controlled trials on this issue, however, they are some of the few measures of how successful particular sex education programs are.

    California is one example of how states have adjusted when it becomes clear that abstinence-only education isn’t working. In 1992, the state’s teen pregnancy rate was 157 per 1,000 teens aged 15 to 19 — the highest rate in the nation. To combat the problem, the state launched a three-year abstinence-only sex education effort, only to cancel the program in 1995 when it had absolutely no effect on teens’ decisions to start having sex. In 2003, lawmakers instead passed the California Comprehensive Sexual Health and HIV/AIDS Prevention Education Act, explains Heather D. Boonstra in a 2010 article for the Guttmacher Policy Review.

    The law, Boonstra explained, forbade classes from promoting religious doctrine or bias against people, and said that all sex education programs had to be medically accurate, age-appropriate and comprehensive. By 2005, California’s teen pregnancy rate was 75 per 1,000 teens ― a more than 50 percent decline that dwarfed the corresponding national decline of 37 percent.

    To this day, a large minority of teen pregnancies tend to end in abortion. But with California’s decline in teen pregnancy rates came declines in both teen births and teen abortions. Abortions, in particular, dropped from 76 per 1,000 teens in 1988 to 26 per 1,000 in 2005.

    In contrast to California, Texas only began shifting away from abstinence-only education around 2011, soon after the end of the George W. Bush administration, when federal grant money for abstinence-only programs dried up. By then, Texas had the third-highest teen pregnancy rate in the country, and the Barack Obama administration was offering funding for “evidence-based” teen sex education.

    In 1990, Texas and California were basically on equal footing when it came to teen births: Texas’ teen birth rate was 75.3 per 1,000 teen girls, while California’s teen birth rate was 70.6 per 1,000. Yet by 2011, Texas’ teen birth rate was 46.9 per 1,000 teen girls, while California’s was only 28.7 per 1,000.

    By 2014, the latest year for which this data is available, the teen birth rate in Texas was 37.8 per 1,000 teen girls, while California’s was 21.1 per 1,000.

    When teens have access to the free birth control of their choice, abortion rates plummet.
    The Contraceptive CHOICE Project launched in St. Louis, Missouri in 2007 with the goal of reducing unintended pregnancies. A large proportion of unintended pregnancies, which are defined as either mistimed or unwanted, tend to end in abortion; In 2011, about 45 percent of pregnancies in the U.S. were unintended, of which 42 percent ended in abortion.

    To prevent such pregnancies, the CHOICE project enrolled over 9,000 women between 2007 and 2011 to receive free contraceptive counseling and the contraception of their choice for two to three years. The researchers found that from 2006 to 2010, teen study participants had an average annual abortion rate of 9.7 per 1,000 teens — significantly lower than the 41.5 abortions per 1,000 sexually active teens nationwide in 2008.

    Rates of teen pregnancy birth and abortion are lower among teens enrolled in the CHOICE study compared to sexually active teens nationwide
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    Rates of teen pregnancy birth and abortion are lower among teens enrolled in the CHOICE study compared to sexually active teens nationwide
    “The idea that women can access preventive methods and preventive health care at low cost or no cost is essential,” said lead investigator Dr. Jeffrey Peipert, chair of the department of obstetrics and gynecology at Indiana University School of Medicine. “Every dollar invested in contraception can save between four and 17 dollars down the road in health care costs.”

    MacIsaac, who was not involved in Peipert’s research, described the CHOICE project as “the most powerful study we have of what works: education of the methods and free access.”

    The state of Colorado has also found this to be true. After handing out free IUDs and implants to teens and poor women over six years, the statewide teen birthrate dropped 40 percent from 2009 to 2013, while the abortion rate dropped 42 percent. The results were especially dramatic in the state’s poorest regions, The New York Times reported.

    Despite the program’s stunning success, however, GOP members in Colorado’s state Senate failed to keep funding it when the money ran out in 2015. Colorado corrected this when Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) signed the state’s 2016 budget, however, providing $2.5 million for the program.

    Long-acting, reversible contraception is the most effective way to prevent teen pregnancy ― but it needs to be affordable.
    Short of sterilization ― which is permanent ― the use of long-acting, reversible contraception (known as LARCs) is the most effective way to prevent pregnancy. LARCs, which include IUDs and implants, last for years and don’t require woman to remember to take a daily pill, slap on a monthly patch or use condoms.

    LARCs are highly effective and cheaper over the long term, but they can be expensive up front for uninsured or underinsured women. Out-of-pocket costs can range from $500 to $1,000, putting them out of reach for teens and poor women — those most at risk of an unintended pregnancy.

    In the contraceptive CHOICE project, teen participants learned about all methods of contraception, including LARCs. Seventy-two percent of the teens then chose to use an IUD or an implant as their own form of birth control. Among the general population, only 7.2 percent of women use LARCs. This shows that women who receive a comprehensive education about birth control methods are more likely to choose the most effective and long-lasting kind.

    Among the CHOICE participants who opted not to use LARCs as their birth control method, there were 4.55 unintended pregnancies per 100 women every year. There were only 0.27 unintended pregnancies per 100 women per year for the CHOICE participants who chose the LARCs.

    Women who chose long-acting reversible contraception LARC as their birth control method had a much lower risk of unintended pregnancy compared to women who chose other methods of contraception.
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    Women who chose long-acting reversible contraception LARC as their birth control method had a much lower risk of unintended pregnancy compared to women who chose other methods of contraception.
    Based on this and similar data, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists urged doctors to consider recommending LARCs as the first-line contraceptive for both women and teens in 2012. ACOG re-emphasized this recommendation in 2015, urging doctors to encourage patients to consider LARCs and advocate for patients to get insurance to cover the devices.

    “One of the reasons ACOG is trying to improve physician education around LARC is because we have so much more robust data about how good contraception is highly effective and easy to use, and that women like it,” said MacIsaac, who also serves on ACOG’s LARC task force. “We’ve known it all over Europe, the CHOICE study showed it in the U.S., and ACOG wants to help push that information forward.”

    Outlawing abortion endangers women and doesn’t seem to work.
    Meanwhile, in contrast to these evidence-based methods of reducing unintended pregnancy, research suggests that outlawing abortion procedures doesn’t actually help reduce abortion.

    A 2016 analysis published in the Lancet finds that the average abortion rate in countries where the procedure is outlawed is 37 per 1,000 women, compared to 34 per 1,000 in countries where abortion is legal. In other words, scientists found no evidence that anti-abortion laws do anything to reduce the number of actual procedures women get.

    The analysis also found that abortion rates are down worldwide, from 40 per 1,000 women in 1994 to 35 per 1,000 women by 2014. However, the decrease is concentrated mostly in the developed world, where the rate declined from 46 abortions per 1,000 women to 27 per 1,000.

    Countries in the developing world, meanwhile, saw abortions go down from 39 per 1,000 women to 37 per 1,000 — what scientists described as a “non-significant” decline. It’s worth noting that developed countries are more likely to have better access to health care and highly effective birth control than developing countries.

    This reporting is brought to you by HuffPost’s health and science platform, The Scope. Like us on Facebook and Twitter and tell us your story: scopestories@huffingtonpost.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliza Thomason View Post
    We know when abortion was illegal and not government supported it was far more rare. Legalize it and fund it and voila! It increases exponentially! It rapidly reaches numbers unheard of inhistory! If Biden and Harris who both support the abortion of NINE MONTH OLD unborn babies are elected [how truly evil! How can peoplenot see this and be DISGUSTED?? What has blinded them?], you can be sure the abortion rate will not lower, and not only remain high, but get higher and higher

    We can see what lowers it. Trump will lower it. Biden and Harris will raise it. It is a no-brainer.

    If you were once prolife and are now pro-abort (misleadingly called pro-choice - when "pro-abort your baby" is what is meant) then I am truly sorry for you. How to you ever fall into such depraved deception?

    I actually do not request an answer to that. I only hope you will think about it on your own. Those things that brought you to this cannot have brought life to your soul, only darkness.

    Renounce the darkness! Go to the light!
    nanashi just posted a good article that already covered what I wanted to say, actually. But even though I still do not like abortion personally, when abortion is legal (and access to birth control, resources, etc. improved), abortion rates decrease, sometimes drastically. And so it's better for both pro-lifers and pro-choicers.
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    I have solved this dilemma quite a while ago:

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    I think people don't realize that pro-life people are not necessarily for the abolition of abortion.

    There are people who look at the factors that contribute to abortions and recognize those still exist with laws that punish people.
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    Abortion is murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squirtle69 View Post
    Abortion is murder.
    then, are you voting for people who work toward policies PROVEN TO REDUCE IT and reduce unwanted pregnancies? Like sex ed, access to prevention, higher education opportunities for everyone (not just the wealthy)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanashi View Post
    then, are you voting for people who work toward policies PROVEN TO REDUCE IT and reduce unwanted pregnancies? Like sex ed, access to prevention, higher education opportunities for everyone (not just the wealthy)?
    Yep

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    lol you can't be serious or that naive. The diagram is a mere picture or illustration of a baby. It's not a real being actually being harmed by The Abortion Demon. Do you also think I myself harmed a real kid just because I wrote in one of my novels that Esther Hicks ((before she became an Idea of Herself)) killed a baby and then campily spun it around on her fingers for entertainment purposes?

    That is NOT how abortions are done in the real world, Eliza.

    And even those pictures are often photoshopped/edited (please don't post them here either just to prove your point as I think that would be a violation of the forum's ToS) or they are from another country and practice that ended a long time ago.

    There's nothing wrong with abortion. It is actually much more moral to abort a fetus you can't care of as a normal kid then raise it in a world where it won't be supported. The parents won't/can't support or love it, so that means the State has to fill the void and we all know what a good job that will do. We have opposing political & religious viewpoints but we know all about the Illuminati Reptile Demons, Eliza. In all reality they will grow up their entire lives in the system, probably become a criminal/be involved in the system anyway and sexually abused by fucked-up weirdos beyond recognition.

    Idealistically & emotionally you think they can be saved but they can't. Realistically the only way to 'save them' is to make sure they don't exist in the first place. It's not the most ideal of situations- of course ideally we all would be born and be completely loved and wanted and supported to be a 'contributing member of society' but the world doesn't work quite that way. So sometimes the right moral thing to do isn't based on ideals or religion.

    The few good people who work for the state/government KNOW that children do not belong in that system and how corrupt it is from the inside out and try whatever possible to keep the kids with caring families if they can find them (that's a big 'if' of course and not based on dumb Fairytale Ideals but the harsh real world and sadly- there is just sometimes not a good place for kids to go!!! It's not like in the Hallmark specials where Jimmy Foster gets the right caring family at the last second and All Is Well.) - but nobody can love you like your real birth parents anyway, but if your real birth parents aren't ready or able to have children then they should definitely have the right to abort- otherwise it's just cruel.

    I think 'found families' like my internet 16types family can in a way love you better/than your real family can to an extent but the person also has to be loved themselves by other forces in the world to even know how to look for this. And there is no way to realistically support all the unwanted babies/kids because of how rampant heterosexuality is lol and how easily it makes babies.

    I mean you could try yourself and create a Christian Half-way home for kids that would have otherwise been aborted, like Oprah Winfrey did sort of with uneducated black girls- but then you risk corrupt pedophiles and other abusive people wanting to work in your facility as you obviously couldn't care for all those children yourself. There is no easy answer to that problem sadly. Sometimes the ethical thing to do is abort and make sure they don't have to be put in that situation.

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    wow.

    Thanks for bringing this to attention, Eliza.

    I had no idea what the process looked like. The pictures really make this is a poignant point.

    I think the only adult way to frame this is: abortion at 26 weeks is a type of murder, that young, unformed creature has a type of low grade consciousness and life force forming its innumerable atoms.

    The question then seems to me, to be, that some women are alright with murder. There is no way around it. And tbh, I can't say I blame some women. They do what they must and the compelling impetus to abort their child comes from a place inside them that holds its own inner wisdom, even if we, or them, cannot see past the ignorance for the deeper picture. Its no small matter. I know that sounds harsh, given my assessment, that your posts brought to me.


    Humanity is on a trajectory, we left the natural state long before the pyramids arose. Who is to say how this, all of it will end. Modernity has its rewards. And its evils. All the way from the shoes we force our feet into, up to our high crimes. Maybe someday we will look back on this era with as much disturbance as we look back on people slicing each other open in broad bloody spectacle for entertainment.

    I think that I can make peace with it. At least terms. Coming to terms with abortion is a battle front already fought. This is the rule of precedence.

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    Absolutely heretical..

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